How did Bin laden REALLY DIE? SEAL tells true story.

[Danno 1,228]

A SEAL’s account of how Osama bin Laden really died

Forget whatever you think you know about the night Osama bin Laden was killed. According to a former Navy SEAL who claims to have the inside track, the mangled tales told of that historic night have only now been corrected.

“It became obvious in the weeks evolving after the mission that the story that was getting put out there was not only untrue, but it was a really ugly farce of what did happen,” said Chuck Pfarrer, author of Seal Target Geronimo: The Inside Story of the Mission to Kill Osama Bin Laden.

In an extensive interview with The Daily Caller, Pfarrer gave a detailed account of why he believes the record needed to be corrected, and why he set out to share the personal stories of the warriors who penetrated bin Laden’s long-secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

In August the New Yorker delivered a riveting blow-by-blow of the SEALs’ May 1, 2011 raid on bin Laden’s hideaway. In that account, later reported to lack contributions from the SEALs involved, readers are taken through a mission that began with a top-secret helicopter crashing and led to a bottom-up assault of the Abbottabad compound.

Freelancer Nicholas Schmidle wrote that the SEALs had shot and blasted their way up floor-by-floor, finally cornering the bewildered Al-Qaida leader:

“The Al Qaeda chief, who was wearing a tan shalwar kameez and a prayer cap on his head, froze; he was unarmed. ‘There was never any question of detaining or capturing him—it wasn’t a split-second decision. No one wanted detainees,’ the special-operations officer told me. (The Administration maintains that had bin Laden immediately surrendered he could have been taken alive.) Nine years, seven months, and twenty days after September 11th, an American was a trigger pull from ending bin Laden’s life. The first round, a 5.56-mm. bullet, struck bin Laden in the chest. As he fell backward, the SEAL fired a second round into his head, just above his left eye.”

Chuck Pfarrer rejects almost all of that story.

“The version of the 45-minute firefight, and the ground-up assault, and the cold-blooded murder on the third floor — that wasn’t the mission,” Pfarrer told TheDC.

“I had to try and figure out, well, look: Why is this story not what I’m hearing? Why is it so off and how is it so off?” he recounted. “One of the things I sort of determined was, OK, somebody was told ‘one of the insertion helicopters crashed.’ OK, well that got muddled to ‘a helicopter crashed on insertion.’”

The helicopters, called “Stealth Hawks,” are inconspicuous machines concealing cutting-edge technology. They entered the compound as planned, with “Razor 1″ disembarking its team of SEALs on the roof of the compound — not on the ground level. There was no crash landing. That wouldn’t occur until after bin Laden was dead.

Meanwhile, “Razor 2″ took up a hovering position so that its on-board snipers, some of whom had also participated in the sea rescue of Maersk Alabama captain Richard Phillips, had a clear view of anyone fleeing the compound.

The SEALs then dropped down from the roof, immediately penetrated the third floor, and hastily encountered bin Laden in his room. He was not standing still.

“He dived across the king-size bed to get at the AKSU rifle he kept by the headboard,” wrote Pfarrer in his book. It was at that moment, a mere 90 seconds after the SEALs first set foot on the roof, that two American bullets shattered bin Laden’s chest and head, killing a man who sought violence to the very end.

President Obama stepped up to a podium in the East Room of the White House that night to announce bin Laden’s death. That rapid announcement, explained Pfarrer, posed a major threat to U.S. national security.

“There was a choice that night,” Pfarrer told TheDC. “There was a choice to keep the mission secret.” America, Pfarrer explained, could have left things alone for “weeks or months … even though there was evidence left on the ground there … and use the intelligence and finish off al-Qaida.”

But Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation.”

And in the days that followed, as politicians sought to thrust their identities into the details of the bin Laden kill, the tale began to grow out of control, said Pfarrer.

“The president made a statement, and as far as that goes, that was fine, that was the mission statement,” he explained. “But, soon after … politicians began leaking information from every orifice. And it was like a game of Chinese telephone. These guys didn’t know what they were talking about. Very few of them had even seen the video feed.”

Pfarrer suggests that much of the misinformation was likely born out of operational ignorance, even among those sitting in the White House.

“One of the things that happened was that there were only a handful of people who know about this mission,” he said. “On the civilian side, there were only a handful of people in the situation room who were watching the drone feed. They were looking at the roof of a building taken from a rotating aircraft at 35,000 feet.”

“None of those guys, not a single one of them, had a background in special operations, with the exception of General Webb who was sitting there running a laptop,” Pfarrer went on. “No one knew or could even imagine what was going on inside the building. They didn’t know.”

“There was an alternative feed going to CIA headquarters where Leon Panetta sat there with the communications brevity codes [a guide sheet for the mission's radio lingo] in his lap and a SEAL off-screen by his side to be able to tell him what was going on,” he said. “But these guys, none of them, really knew what they were looking at.”

As the media raised more questions, officials gave more answers.

Whether or not bin Laden resisted ultimately developed into a barrage of murky official and unofficial explanations in the days following. And statements from as high as then-CIA Director Leon Panetta offered confirmation that the endeavor was a “kill mission.”

Pfarrer dismisses that assertion.

“An order to go in and murder someone in their house is not a lawful order,” explained Pfarrer, who maintains that bin Laden would have been captured had he surrendered. “Unlike the Germans in World War II, if you’re a petty officer, a chief petty officer, a naval officer, and you’re giving an order to murder somebody, that’s an unlawful order.”

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[ready4ONE 5,400]

Ah yes the RWN's need to tarnish the success of the mission lest it be a selling point in re-electing Obama...

[Danno 1,228]

Ah yes the RWN's need to tarnish the success of the mission lest it be a selling point in re-electing Obama...

Did you read the posted story?

No one is tarnishing the success of the mission, it's the details of what was presented... and what really happened.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

But Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation.”

Okay, so someone wants to sell a book. Nothing new there. Gotta ask, though, why you felt this statement was worth highlighting? Did you read what you highlighted? If you did, tell me, what political benefit did Obama gain from the May 1 announcement? Right, none. And how many al-Qaeda leaders have met the load of our drones and then their maker since we obtained all that Intel from Osama's residence? Yeah, a lot. Pretty decent score considering all that alledgedly moot intelligence, isn't it? Or do you think that that is all just coincidence?

[Danno 1,228]

Okay, so someone wants to sell a book. Nothing new there. Gotta ask, though, why you felt this statement was worth highlighting? Did you read what you highlighted? If you did, tell me, what political benefit did Obama gain from the May 1 announcement? Right, none. And how many al-Qaeda leaders have met the load of our drones and then their maker since we obtained all that Intel from Osama's residence? Yeah, a lot. Pretty decent score considering all that alledgedly moot intelligence, isn't it? Or do you think that that is all just coincidence?

When Obama was so quickly spilling the intell we got, I couldn't figure out why he would be alerting the whole network of terrorists that we now had their information, I assumed we in fact didn't get much and this was a tactic to see see if it would flush people out.

Now that we know we did gain that info it is baffling why he would have announced it before it was even sifted through in a thorough way.

Your assumptions about drone attacks still does not answer the question of why he showed our cards so quickly.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

When Obama was so quickly spilling the intell we got, I couldn't figure out why he would be alerting the whole network of terrorists that we now had their information, I assumed we in fact didn't get much and this was a tactic to see see if it would flush people out.

Now that we know we did gain that info it is baffling why he would have announced it before it was even sifted through in a thorough way.

Your assumptions about drone attacks still does not answer the question of why he showed our cards so quickly.

Your reply doesn't answer either of the questions I asked.

[Darnell 8,479]

[but Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation.”]

Ya, sorry, Mooting is a big thing, this administration.

Wait till the next one, should be a different tac [sic].

I note we've moved from The Decider

to

The Mooter

Edited November 8, 2011 by Darnell

[one...two...tree 2,762]

[but Obama's announcement, he said, "rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation."]

Ya, sorry, Mooting™ is a big thing, this administration.

Wait till the next one, should be a different tac [sic].

I note we've moved from The Decider™

to

The Mooter™

####### is wrong with you? Good Lord you are a strange man.

[Captain Oates 911]

So Bin Laden hears a bloody great helicopter landing on the flat roof and he is sleeping on the top floor.

He then waits patiently until the SEALS actually enter the room before he dives for his gun

Does that make sense to anyone ?

If so then I have some ENRON stock I would like to sell you

[Danno 1,228]

So Bin Laden hears a bloody great helicopter landing on the flat roof and he is sleeping on the top floor.

He then waits patiently until the SEALS actually enter the room before he dives for his gun

Does that make sense to anyone ?

If so then I have some ENRON stock I would like to sell you

Reasonable observation but the idea that Obama, who has combat experience would just stand in the middle of his room with no effort to escape, dive for cover or go for a weapon is even farther fetched.

As to your mention of the sound of the helicopter alerting him, bear in mind these special aircraft have special sound reducing features which are highly classified, I guess it's possible a hovering aircraft might not be heard through masonry barriers.

[Captain Oates 911]

Reasonable observation but the idea that Obama, who has combat experience would just stand in the middle of his room with no effort to escape, dive for cover or go for a weapon is even farther fetched.

As to your mention of the sound of the helicopter alerting him, bear in mind these special aircraft have special sound reducing features which are highly classified, I guess it's possible a hovering aircraft might not be heard through masonry barriers.

I reckon if a helicopter landed 6 feet above my bed and a SEAL team unloaded and came down onto my balcony, I would wake up. Heck I wake up if the cat scratches on the door.

Unless he shared Michael Jackson's doctor in which case he might have slept through it

It is standard procedure to say they made an aggressive move, threw a punch, went for a possible weapon. I spent 6 years in the police and we always said that after we whacked someone. Always.

The alternative is to stand on their toes - they always push you back instinctively - and then its open season as they assaulted you

Perhaps they stood on his toes

I bet the decision to kill him was made weeks or months or years before and after many high powered meetings - it sure wouldn't be left to a dumbo squaddie to decide. No way.

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[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The guy is dead and Obama happened to be the Commander in Chief that gave the order to get him done. I didn't shed a tear over the demise of this stinkin' sack of shite. If this would have happened under Bush or Cheney or McCain or any other GOP President, the very Right that attacks the President now for giving the order to eliminate this piece of junk would be calling for the creation of jobs right now so we can get busy chiseling the image of such GOP President into Mt. Rushmore. Fcuking hypocrites. Make me sick.

[Ban Hammer 13,584]

Reasonable observation but the idea that Obama, who has combat experience would just stand in the middle of his room with no effort to escape, dive for cover or go for a weapon is even farther fetched.

As to your mention of the sound of the helicopter alerting him, bear in mind these special aircraft have special sound reducing features which are highly classified, I guess it's possible a hovering aircraft might not be heard through masonry barriers.

[Danno 1,228]

YOu caught my sub conscience slip there.....

[Danno 1,228]

The guy is dead and Obama happened to be the Commander in Chief that gave the order to get him done. I didn't shed a tear over the demise of this stinkin' sack of shite. If this would have happened under Bush or Cheney or McCain or any other GOP President, the very Right that attacks the President now for giving the order to eliminate this piece of junk would be calling for the creation of jobs right now so we can get busy chiseling the image of such GOP President into Mt. Rushmore. Fcuking hypocrites. Make me sick.

I gave Obama great credit for the success of that mission, as he certainly would have got the blame had it gone tragically wrong.

Who on the Right has been critical?

Even the Speaker of the house gave great credit to obamas performance in this effort, so who are you referring to?