Why do you hate liberals and liberalism so much?

[Fuzzness 2]

I love how conservatives always quickly change their story when they're called out

Really bandwagon mentiality here Fuzz...I conder myself a conservative, yet I didn't make the claim, therfore I'm not going to answer it.

The issue is with the one making the claim...not how 'conservatives always quickly change'....that's a load of nonsense right there.

Actually, Lisa, my comment was directed towards incanada. If she can make stupid comments about liberals, why can't I do the same with conservatives?

[Fandango 1,439]

I love how conservatives always quickly change their story when they're called out

Really bandwagon mentiality here Fuzz...I conder myself a conservative, yet I didn't make the claim, therfore I'm not going to answer it.

The issue is with the one making the claim...not how 'conservatives always quickly change'....that's a load of nonsense right there.

Actually, Lisa, my comment was directed towards incanada. If she can make stupid comments about liberals, why can't I do the same with conservatives?

Well I chose to live my life by my own standards, not sink to a level of someone I felt was acting in a manner which was beneath me. Which is how *I'm figuring* you feel about incanada.

So if you find it ok behavior for you, why is it bad for her? Or is it wrong for you both? Or is it ok for you both? I'm confused here.

[Fuzzness 2]

I love how conservatives always quickly change their story when they're called out

Really bandwagon mentiality here Fuzz...I conder myself a conservative, yet I didn't make the claim, therfore I'm not going to answer it.

The issue is with the one making the claim...not how 'conservatives always quickly change'....that's a load of nonsense right there.

Actually, Lisa, my comment was directed towards incanada. If she can make stupid comments about liberals, why can't I do the same with conservatives?

Well I chose to live my life by my own standards, not sink to a level of someone I felt was acting in a manner which was beneath me. Which is how *I'm figuring* you feel about incanada.

So if you find it ok behavior for you, why is it bad for her? Or is it wrong for you both? Or is it ok for you both? I'm confused here.

Oh I'm just having fun

[homesick_american 1]

Why do people bother to continue arguing about politics?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I posted this before, but it's fitting for this thread... sound familiar?

How Conservatives Argue: A Case Study

Liberal: The USA has fifty states.

Conservative: No, it doesn’t.

Liberal: Yes, it does. The USA has fifty states.

Conservative: What about Guam? What about that Guam, huh? Or the Virgin Islands?

Liberal: Those are territories, not states. The USA has fifty states.

Conservative: Oh, so you’re saying those don’t count?

Liberal: Yes.

Conservative: Oh, so the people there don’t count? They’re not good enough, huh? I thought you liberals wanted everybody to be counted.

Liberal: No, I said the territories don’t count as states. The USA has fifty states.

Conservative: You’re really something, you know that? You liberals are always going on about how all of us conservatives are racists, how we don’t care about anybody but people who look like us. But you don’t even want to count the blacks who live in Guam as Americans.

Liberal: First of all, I never said all conservatives are racists.

Conservative: Yes, you did.

Liberal: No, I didn’t.

Conservative: Michael Moore says it.

Liberal: I’ve never heard him say that.

Conservative: Yes, he does! He most definitely does!

Liberal: Look, I don’t know what he says. That’s beside the point. And the people in Guam “count,” whatever that means. I don’t even know who lives in Guam; I don’t know the first thing about Guam. I’m just saying Guam isn’t a state – it’s a territory. The USA has fifty states.

Conservative: What about Puerto Rico?

Liberal: What?

Conservative: What about Puerto Rico, huh? You love all those Mexicans coming across the border stealing our jobs – you must LOVE Puerto Rico, right?

Liberal: I’ve never been to Puerto Rico.

Conservative: Well, I have, and those kind of people would be pretty offended to hear liberals like you saying they aren’t real Americans!

Liberal: I didn’t say that!

Conservative: You said they didn’t count!

Liberal: I didn’t say that either! No, wait, just wait… (takes deep breath). I only said the USA has fifty states. Puerto Rico isn’t a state – it’s a commonwealth.

Conservative: And they don’t speak English!

Liberal: Well, many Puerto Ricans do.

Conservative: How do you know that? I’ve been there – you haven’t!

Liberal: All right, OK, fine, whatever. But the USA has fifty states.

Conservative: Well, I say Puerto Rico counts.

Liberal: Fine, but not as a state.

Conservative: Well, that’s YOUR opinion.

Liberal: It’s not my opinion – it’s a fact.

Conservative: Says you!

Liberal: No, not just “says me.” It’s a fact. Look it up.

Conservative: I don’t have time.

Liberal: You don’t have time to find out if the USA has fifty states?

Conservative: Listen, you may have time to sit around all day surfing on your liberal websites, downloading Michael Moore, but I’ve got things to do.

Liberal: Like reading about blacks in Guam and Mexicans in Puerto Rico?

Conservative: See, that’s why you guys always lose. I’m trying to have a nice conversation, and you just keep up with the insults!

Liberal: Listen, I didn’t mean to insult you.

Conservative: Oh, yes you did!

Liberal: No, look, I’m sorry, OK? I didn’t mean to insult you. Honestly. It’s just that… well, the USA has fifty states. That’s a fact. And I’m just trying to state a fact, and you’re getting very defensive, and…

Conservative: Oh, so now I’m defensive.

Liberal: Well…

Conservative: You just said you weren’t going to insult me!

Liberal: Look, I’m just trying to say the USA has fifty states!

Conservative: According to YOUR sources!

Liberal: MY sources?! What are you talking about? Look it up!

Conservative: I told you, I don’t have time to spend all day cruising the internet, looking up geography questions! Maybe if you were busier at your job, trying to live the American Dream, you wouldn’t have time for all this hate!

Liberal: I work hard at my job!

Conservative: Then why are you spending all day downloading Michael Moore?

Liberal: I don’t spend all day downloading Michael Moore! I don’t even know what you mean by that! All I’m saying is that the USA has fifty states!

Conservative: Again, according to YOU!

Liberal: Not just me! Here, here’s the World Book Encyclopedia. Look it up – it’s fifty states!

Conservative: Oh, sure, the World Book! Yeah, like I’m going to believe the World Book!

Liberal: What?

Conservative: Come on, it’s a liberal rag!

Liberal: (Long, teeth-gnashing pause) Look, just look up “United States of America.” Ten bucks it says, “the USA has fifty states.”

Conservative: Ten bucks, huh?

Liberal: Yeah, ten bucks. (pause) Wait, that’s the “M” volume.

Conservative: I know.

Liberal: You need to look under “U” for “United States.”

Conservative: I’m not looking for “United States.” I’m looking for “Moore, Michael.”

Liberal: What?!

Conservative: And when I find a big glowing article about him, you’re going to owe me ten bucks!

Liberal: Why would I owe you ten bucks?!

Conservative: You bet me ten bucks that the World Book Encyclopedia isn’t liberal.

Liberal: No I didn’t!

Conservative: Yes, you did! You bet me ten bucks that I couldn’t find a liberal article in the World Book. So when I find Michael Moore’s picture, you owe me ten bucks!

Liberal: Oh, my lord…

Conservative: AHA!

Liberal: Listen, you idiot, just because you found Michael Moore’s picture in the World Book doesn’t mean that I owe you ten bucks! It doesn’t mean the World Book is a liberal encyclopedia! And it certainly doesn’t mean the USA doesn’t have fifty states!!

Conservative: Oh, no? Look at this!

Liberal: (pause) “Massachusetts”?

Conservative: Bingo!

Liberal: What the hell does Massachusetts have to do with anything?

Conservative: The COMMONWEALTH of Massachusetts!

Liberal: So?

Conservative: So you said Puerto Rico is a commonwealth!

Liberal: Oh, no…

Conservative: You ADMITTED Puerto Rico was a commonwealth! Admit it, you said it!

Liberal: Oh, man…

Conservative: So if Massachusetts is a commonwealth, and Puerto Rico is a commonwealth, then they BOTH must be states! HA!

Liberal: OK, look…

Conservative: You owe me twenty bucks!

Liberal: What?

Conservative: Come one, pay up! Twenty bucks, let’s go!

Liberal: I don’t owe you twenty bucks!

Conservative: And I’m not even counting Pennsylvania!

Liberal: Pennsylvania?

Conservative: That’s a commonwealth, too!

Liberal: It’s a commonwealth, but…

Conservative: And Washington!

Liberal: All right, look, I lived in Seattle – Washington is NOT a commonwealth!

Conservative: Seattle’s not even a state – it’s a city!

Liberal: Yes, it’s a city, in Washington State! Washington’s a state!

Conservative: I’m talking about Washington D.C.

Liberal: What?

Conservative: Washington D.C. It’s a city.

Liberal: I know what it is!

Conservative: Well, you liberals are always going on about “Statehood for Washington!” Which, you admit, is already a state!

Liberal: Washington D.C. is not a state!

Conservative: Washington State is!

Liberal: You just said Washington D.C.!

Conservative: And you said it should be a state!

Liberal: I never said that! I mean, it should be… but I never…look…

Conservative: Should Washington be a state?

Liberal: Well…

Conservative: Simple question.

Liberal: Washington State?

Conservative: Yes or No?

Liberal: Washington State or Washington D.C.?

Conservative: Right.

(Long pause)

Conservative: He snorts cocaine.

(Long, painful pause)

Liberal: (slowly) This is Washington D.C. you’re talking about.

Conservative: Yeah. The mayor snorts cocaine.

Liberal: Actually, he’s no longer the mayor…

Conservative: I don’t think a state should have a governor who’s used drugs.

Liberal: He’s not the governor; Washington’s not a…

Conservative: Except maybe California.

Liberal: OK, OK, stop for a moment…

Conservative: I mean, that was a long time ago…

Liberal: Listen, listen…

Conservative: I don’t see Michael Moore making any movies about cocaine in Washington State, do you?

Liberal: Please, STOP!

(pause)

Liberal: Look, I’m just trying to make a simple point here…

Conservative: What about…

Liberal: STOP!!!

(long pause)

Liberal: I’m just trying to make a SIMPLE point here. It’s not a big deal – it’s just a fact. The USA has fifty states. That’s all! Yes, Puerto Rico is a commonwealth, but it isn’t counted among the fifty states. Yes, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania are commonwealths too. So are Virginia and, I think, Kentucky. I don’t know about Kentucky for sure, and you know what – it doesn’t matter! They’re considered states, OK? They’re states. Washington D.C. isn’t one, even though I wish it was. Guam isn’t one. There are only fifty. Fifty states. Fifty stars on the flag – fifty states. That’s all. Fifty.

(long pause)

Conservative: Rush is so right about you people.

Liberal: Huh?

Conservative: Rush. He gets it. You people are the worst.

Liberal: I don’t…

Conservative: Here I am, trying to have an honest political discussion, and all you can do is bring up this liberal claptrap! You call people like Rush racists, but you don’t want to count Mexicans as Americans. You insult the Governor of California every chance you get. You get all your information from encyclopedias and Michael Moore. You want free cocaine in Washington, and you want Seattle to become a commonwealth, and you won’t pay me my fifty dollars even after I proved that blacks run Guam! And then, worst of all, you insult our flag and our troops!!! You disgust me!

Liberal: Good-bye.

Conservative: See, there you liberals go again! Sneaking off to download porn from Kentucky! I’m not forgetting you owe me 100 dollars!

(pause)

Conservative: That’s it, cut and run!

(long pause)

Conservative: Why do you hate America?

[homesick_american 1]

I posted this before, but it's fitting for this thread... sound familiar?

***snip***

(pause)

Conservative: That’s it, cut and run!

(long pause)

Conservative: Why do you hate America?

Whoever wrote that must watch a lot of Hannity & Colmes.

[mawilson 2,133]

Why are you making this about you? My question has nowt to do with that.

Here:

Just ignore them. Especially Stinky, who seems to think he speaks for Jesus.

This (indirectly) implies that Stinky is not a Christian.

[Fandango 1,439]

Why are you making this about you? My question has nowt to do with that.

Here:

Just ignore them. Especially Stinky, who seems to think he speaks for Jesus.

This (indirectly) implies that Stinky is not a Christian.

That doesn't imply Steven is not Christian. At least that's not what *I* infer from it. What I infer is that Incanada is saying that she feels Steven speaks in absolutes as if he's the one with all the answers...in this instance it would be under the topic of religion.

It's all a moot point anyways, as Steven's already admitted that Incanada never actually said anything about him not being Christian...as reposted below:

I don't want to derail this thread into personal attacks. Look, if you believe that you've never implied or suggested (I apologize for using the wrong terminology) that I can't be Christian if I don't interpret the Bible as you do, than let's just leave it at that. Let's try to respect each other's views and avoid these kinds of posts, yes? Peace.

[Heracles 417]

I asked Infidel in a previous thread to point out people in US politics who he/she considered liberal and why - he couldn't.

The term liberal is a figure of speech. I see Liberal as being slang for left wing.. For example, liberal in Australia is a totally different meaning as it is actually referring to someone who is center-right wing..

[Heracles 417]

It because liberalism promotes equality, and for some that would mean no longer living so selfishly, egocentrically, and hierarchically. For some that potential change in their lifestyle is too threatening, so they fight it.

Funny how the liberal (blue states) are the richest states. Some of the rudest, self absorbed, self-centered, self pleasure seeking people I have come across are from blue states. Absolutely everyone I know of who has ever met an arrogant American always says they are from a blue state and typically hate George Bush, aka they are a liberal..

PS I think you are confusing the JFK years of Democrats for neo-democrats, nothing alike...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It because liberalism promotes equality, and for some that would mean no longer living so selfishly, egocentrically, and hierarchically. For some that potential change in their lifestyle is too threatening, so they fight it.

Funny how the liberal (blue states) are the richest states. Some of the rudest, self absorbed, self-centered, self pleasure seeking people I have come across are from blue states. Absolutely everyone I know of who has ever met an arrogant American always says they are from a blue state and typically hate George Bush, aka they are a liberal...

PS I think you are confusing the JFK years of Democrats for neo-democrats, nothing alike...

Personally speaking (as you were) I've had the complete opposite experience

Similarly, while I can't speak for all Britons, it seems to me that if we're talking blatant stereotypes of American people - the image of frothing bible-belt, gun-toting nutcases is a far more prevalent one than alleged "liberals" from "blue states". But that's just my perception.

Edited October 2, 2006 by erekose

[homesick_american 1]

Similarly, while I can't speak for all Britons, it seems to me that if we're talking blatant stereotypes of American people - the image of frothing bible-belt, gun-toting nutcases is a far more prevalent one than alleged "liberals" from "blue states". But that's just my perception.

The gun-toter stereotype is the one I'm most often confronted with over here. People assume a lot about me because I'm from Texas. I delight in setting them straight...but sometimes they insist on arguing with me about my own home state. "You're wrong...all of Texas is a DESERT." #######.

[Fuzzness 2]

ain't generalization great?

[ace13 0]

ace13 is a devout catholic on here and yet seems to differ from you also. Is she also a "fundie christian" because her beliefs aren't yours? I think fundamentalist christian is misused and overly used to label anyone who isn't a liberal/leftie who is also a christian.

If ace13 is a devout catholic, then I can tell you this is what he believes:

* That the theory of evolution is accepted.

* That the story of Adam and Eve is metaphorical and not meant to be taken literally.

* That the Vatican opposes the war in Iraq - has called it immoral (JPII)

* That homosexuality in of itself is not immoral - gay people don't choose to be gay.

Are those liberal views? I don't know. But as erekose keeps pointing out - the label of liberal isn't being used accurately by people like incanada.

How exciting to be a topic of conversation. Let me clear some things up though about my beliefs and any other Catholics out there are welcome to chime in.

The Church does not teach matters of science as if they were matters of faith. Evolution is a theory, a hypothosis-both to Catholics and Scientists alike. God alone can and does produce the soul.

As far as homosexuality goes, marriage is between a man and a woman. It is sinful aka immoral to "spill your seed".

On war-Pope John Paul made a statement that we should not be at war. That does not make it Church dogma or a sin to support the war anyway. His opinion is taken into high consideration, though. He wants to be sure that all peaceful means available were exhausted and that is a matter of opinion. In the end the best thing to do is pray and support our troops.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

ace13 is a devout catholic on here and yet seems to differ from you also. Is she also a "fundie christian" because her beliefs aren't yours? I think fundamentalist christian is misused and overly used to label anyone who isn't a liberal/leftie who is also a christian.

If ace13 is a devout catholic, then I can tell you this is what he believes:

* That the theory of evolution is accepted.

* That the story of Adam and Eve is metaphorical and not meant to be taken literally.

* That the Vatican opposes the war in Iraq - has called it immoral (JPII)

* That homosexuality in of itself is not immoral - gay people don't choose to be gay.

Are those liberal views? I don't know. But as erekose keeps pointing out - the label of liberal isn't being used accurately by people like incanada.

How exciting to be a topic of conversation. Let me clear some things up though about my beliefs and any other Catholics out there are welcome to chime in.

The Church does not teach matters of science as if they were matters of faith. Evolution is a theory, a hypothosis-both to Catholics and Scientists alike. God alone can and does produce the soul.

As far as homosexuality goes, marriage is between a man and a woman. It is sinful aka immoral to "spill your seed".

On war-Pope John Paul made a statement that we should not be at war. That does not make it Church dogma or a sin to support the war anyway. His opinion is taken into high consideration, though. He wants to be sure that all peaceful means available were exhausted and that is a matter of opinion. In the end the best thing to do is pray and support our troops.

Sorry. I wasn't singleling you out except that Stina stated that you were a devout Catholic and consider yourself Conservative, politically. I pointed out to her based on previous discussions such as evolution that the Catholic Church's official position is in opposition of what many Fundamentalist Christians believe (who also believe they are Conservative, politically).

I'm not challenging your fervent faith, but you do know that Catholics do not take the story of Adam and Eve as a factual account, yes? Fundamentalist Christians do.

In confronting a theory like Darwin's, Catholics should anchor themselves in the proposition that there can be no real conflict between faith and science. The danger occurs when scientists trespass into theology, or vice versa. The Galileo affair is a sobering reminder of what can happen when certain parties in the Church resist a scientific hypothesis on a priori biblical grounds. If the congregation of Cardinals that condemned Galileo had paid more attention to Augustine and Aquinas, who both held that the Holy Spirit, speaking through the sacred writers, was not teaching a system of astronomy, the disastrous split which occurred between religion and science in the seventeenth century might have been avoided.

http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Issues/Darwin.html

The Church's official position is that homosexuality (not to be confused with behavior) is not a sin - but Fundamentalist Christians believe that homosexuals have a choice to be gay.

As for the War in Iraq - to dismiss JPII's statement as mere opinion...

In the weeks and months before the U.S. attacked Iraq, not only the Holy Father, but also one Cardinal and Archbishop after another at the Vatican spoke out against a "preemptive" or "preventive" strike. They declared that the just war theory could not justify such a war. Archbishop Jean-Louis Tauran said that such a "war of aggression" is a crime against peace. Archbishop Renato Martino, who used the same words in calling the possible military intervention a "crime against peace that cries out vengeance before God," also criticized the pressure that the most powerful nations exerted on the less powerful ones on the U.N. Security Council to support the war. The Pope spoke out almost every day against war and in support of diplomatic efforts for peace.

http://www.cjd.org/paper/jp2war.html

I don't know how that sits well with you as just some papal opinion.

Edited October 2, 2006 by Steven_and_Jinky