Apartheid and the occupation of Palestine

[scandal 951]

Bearing in mind far more Jews were forced out of Muslim countries, what have they done to show by example the right of return?

A) what do random "Muslim countries" have to do with Palestinians?

B) source for your numbers?

I would like to a reliable source for these numbers. Have heard this often but never verified. Easy to say stuff but source link would be nice.

Agreed, it's a diversionary tactic, and a lame one at that.

*cue the lineup of posters who will now demand you condemn this grievous event because it's your responsibility as the resident Arab Muslim Palestinian to do this no less than 75x a week on this forum, and because of your demographics we have to assume that your default position on this issue would be different than that of the decent, moral human beings here.

You asked a question ('B' above) in reference to Boiler's remark, Txn did as well.

I replied with a documented citation and eyewitness account of persecution of Jews in Arab lands. In particular it offered the following numerical claim which directly buttressed Boiler's remark: "One million Jews lived in the Middle East at the turn of the century. Today, less than five thousand remain."

You reply: it's a "lame" "diversionary tactic".

Shrug.

If you don't want the answer, why ask the question?

For the record, I don't expect you to "condemn this grievous event". Not once, and certainly not75X.

Like you, I know well the feeling of finding yourself constantly under attack for expressing your views.

Just in this past week I've been told that I'm an "extremist Jew" and that I "portray myself as a hypocrite".

Personally, I don't see a need for a numerical comparison. Jews of Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Egypt, Libya have legitimate claims that they were dispossessed and forced to leave behind homes and property. Palestinians have similar legitimate claims. This doesn't have to be a competition of worthiness of causes, or trumping of suffering. On the other hand, it is impossible to build trust and long lasting peace while refusing to recognize the suffering of the aggrieved. And there are plenty of aggrieved, no shortage there.

In the concluding words of Regina Bublil Waldman, in the article I cited:

Dr. Diene, your report envisions a future of tolerance and equality. Applying the principles you set forth, we trust you will examine the actions of Libya and other Middle Eastern countries that forced out their Jewish minorities.

Like in South Africa, only the acknowledgment of truth and history will lead to reconciliation.

[sandinista! 1,816]

It was nice of you to answer part B, thank you for doing it. And I can't disagree with some of the points you make below. It wasn't your post that I was referring to though as the lame diversionary tactic. I was talking about part A of my post, where i asked what random "Muslim countries" actions that aren't Palestine have to do with Palestine. I agree with you, there's no need for a numerical comparison. I think on several points we're on the same page here actually.

You asked a question ('B' above) in reference to Boiler's remark, Txn did as well.

I replied with a documented citation and eyewitness account of persecution of Jews in Arab lands. In particular it offered the following numerical claim which directly buttressed Boiler's remark: "One million Jews lived in the Middle East at the turn of the century. Today, less than five thousand remain."

You reply: it's a "lame" "diversionary tactic".

Shrug.

If you don't want the answer, why ask the question?

For the record, I don't expect you to "condemn this grievous event". Not once, and certainly not75X.

Like you, I know well the feeling of finding yourself constantly under attack for expressing your views.

Just in this past week I've been told that I'm an "extremist Jew" and that I "portray myself as a hypocrite".

Personally, I don't see a need for a numerical comparison. Jews of Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Egypt, Libya have legitimate claims that they were dispossessed and forced to leave behind homes and property. Palestinians have similar legitimate claims. This doesn't have to be a competition of worthiness of causes, or trumping of suffering. On the other hand, it is impossible to build trust and long lasting peace while refusing to recognize the suffering of the aggrieved. And there are plenty of aggrieved, no shortage there.

In the concluding words of Regina Bublil Waldman, in the article I cited:

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I guess I missed the part where scandal's post of the woman's letter became an authoritative account of the numbers of refugee Jews from MENA. She is from Libya and, perhaps can speak about what happened to her family in Libya, but that is not sufficient to cover what did or did not happen in other Arab states.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

For the record, I don't expect you to "condemn this grievous event". Not once, and certainly not75X.

Like you, I know well the feeling of finding yourself constantly under attack for expressing your views.

Just in this past week I've been told that I'm an "extremist Jew" and that I "portray myself as a hypocrite".

For the record, sandinista was talking to ME, not you, about how the only Palestinian Arab Muslim Israeli is expected to condemn multiple events involving various Muslims because it's assumed that I'm sympathetic to bad acts by Muslims.

Second, you are hardly under constant attack for expressing your views.

Third, hypocrisy doesn't begin to describe the fact that you will respond to anyone else except the only Palestinian Israeli on this board. Frankly, that's cowardice, no matter what else you call it. Decorum is only a lame excuse. Your friends have worse manners than those you call your enemies.

You reap what you sow, so stop whining.

Edited November 10, 2011 by Sofiyya

[mawilson 2,133]

The topic of this thread is Israeli apartheid and the occupation of Palestine.

Hahahahaha. Scandal provided a source you can't poo-poo as being a piece of Zionist Jew propaganda, so what do you do? Change the subject!

[sandinista! 1,816]

It was also pretty har de har har funny when Boiler couldn't contend with the points she made, so he had to drag in contentious actions in other places that aren't Palestine.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I guess I missed the part where scandal's post of the woman's letter became an authoritative account of the numbers of refugee Jews from MENA. She is from Libya and, perhaps can speak about what happened to her family in Libya, but that is not sufficient to cover what did or did not happen in other Arab states.

You must have missed my response to that, so here it is again. You must have also missed the entire thread because you failed to comment on any of the substance I've posted throughout.

Hahahahaha. Scandal provided a source you can't poo-poo as being a piece of Zionist Jew propaganda, so what do you do? Change the subject!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It was also pretty har de har har funny when Boiler couldn't contend with the points she made, so he had to drag in contentious actions in other places that aren't Palestine.

What's even funnier is that neither scandal or Ma can contend with the points I've made. Scandal knows I'm right, so he renders me invisible and pretends I'm not here, while the other carries his water for him, posting nonsense. Who in their right mind thinks either of them has a point?

[Boiler 46,003]

So I take it that the right of Israel to exist is a given?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

So I take it that the right of Israel to exist is a given?

No nation on earth has a "right" to exist.

[luckytxn 2,265]

What's even funnier is that neither scandal or Ma can contend with the points I've made. Scandal knows I'm right, so he renders me invisible and pretends I'm not here, while the other carries his water for him, posting nonsense. Who in their right mind thinks either of them has a point?

You know as well as I do that Israel has to look at external forces to be able to equate the suffering they make the Palestinians go through to themselves. We all know that it is not OK to do so. It is like when I was asking questions about reparations once. The Palestinians are willing to talk peace. They are the aggrieved party. Israel apparently changed it to say that all the Arab countries have to come to the table for there to be peace. This shows me that Israel wants no peace. This also shows me that Israel wants all of Palestine as Jewish land. They want the Palestinians out and are not afraid to use whatever measures needed to insure this.

So I take it that the right of Israel to exist is a given?

It is a given when the U.S. is backing it. We should withdraw all support to Israel. They want peace then do what needs done.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I'd prefer that the debate not be so one-sided. Despite his passion, Scandal plainly isn't up to the task of debating this issue, and there seems to be no one else on "the other side" willing and able to take up the cause beyond diversion, derision and +1's. I dunno, maybe that's a good thing for "my" side

You know as well as I do that Israel has to look at external forces to be able to equate the suffering they make the Palestinians go through to themselves. We all know that it is not OK to do so. It is like when I was asking questions about reparations once. The Palestinians are willing to talk peace. They are the aggrieved party. Israel apparently changed it to say that all the Arab countries have to come to the table for there to be peace. This shows me that Israel wants no peace. This also shows me that Israel wants all of Palestine as Jewish land. They want the Palestinians out and are not afraid to use whatever measures needed to insure this.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It is a given when the U.S. is backing it. We should withdraw all support to Israel. They want peace then do what needs done.

My congressman is a Republican conservative and ex-military. He believes that the US should withdraw and stop interfering in the region so the ground can be leveled. I like that guy!

[Boiler 46,003]

No nation on earth has a "right" to exist.

Well then what is this thread all about?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Well then what is this thread all about?

Apartheid and the occupation of Palestine

Edited November 10, 2011 by Sofiyya