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[DeeDee&Sam 68]

I don't know where you got your information about mental illness and the law but your information is WRONG. He cannot force her into inpatient OR outpatient treatment without her consent. Period end of story. As for borderline being "treatable", that's doubtful. Borderline is one of the rare psychiatric conditions that not only has a genetic component but an ENVIRONMENTAL component as well. These patients are very difficult to treat and impossible to cure. They are manipulative, deceptive, cunning, often dangerous and many other adjectives that I could put down in writing. Please refrain from giving advice on a subject that you clearly know little about.

yes borderline is treatable, dont tell me is not because as i stated above i have someone very close to me with borderline and they're fine since they take the treatment and they've been diagnosed with borderline over 10 years ago. i didnt say you can cure it i said you can treat it, get your glasses and dont read between the lines. and no im NOT wrong. i dont know in USA, im european , and there IT IS!! legal to do it without their consent because borderline IS a branch of schizo. dont tell me i dont know what im talking about because ive been dealing with this my whole life . damn old people who think they know everything under the sun

[Bsze 50]

So... since it's legal in Europe, are you suggesting the OP and his family move there so he can forcibly commit his wife into treatment?

OP, you could check with local shelters or churches. They might be able to help you out with temporary housing or even legal aid. I hope things with your wife improves soon.

Edited November 9, 2011 by Bsze

[psychasthenia 9]

I don't know where you got your information about mental illness and the law but your information is WRONG. He cannot force her into inpatient OR outpatient treatment without her consent. Period end of story. As for borderline being "treatable", that's doubtful. Borderline is one of the rare psychiatric conditions that not only has a genetic component but an ENVIRONMENTAL component as well. These patients are very difficult to treat and impossible to cure. They are manipulative, deceptive, cunning, often dangerous and many other adjectives that I could put down in writing. Please refrain from giving advice on a subject that you clearly know little about.

Interesting. Borderline is one of the rare psychiatric conditions that has both a genetic and an environmental component? Would you be surprised to know that most, if not all, psychological conditions have a biological (sometimes genetic) predisposition that becomes activated by psychological stressors (abuse, poverty, neglect, etc)? By the way, the etiology of borderline personality disorder is yet to be clarified. So far, there are no "borderline genes."

Can you point me toward treatment outcome studies which state that "these patients being difficult to treat and impossible to cure"? As a side note, the "manipulative, deceptive, cunning, often dangerous" description refers to antisocial personality disorder, not borderline personality disorder. You know very little about this or other disorders.

DeeDee, in the US, the husband cannot hospitalize his wife for a psychiatric condition. She will need to be an imminent threat to herself or others before she would be involuntarily committed. And, borderline personality disorder is a condition which can be treated (as you said). There are also individuals who outgrow it on their own.

Edited November 10, 2011 by psychasthenia

[psychasthenia 9]

and no im NOT wrong. i dont know in USA, im european , and there IT IS!! legal to do it without their consent because borderline IS a branch of schizo. dont tell me i dont know what im talking about because ive been dealing with this my whole life . damn old people who think they know everything under the sun

DeeDee, borderline personality disorder is not a branch of schizophrenia. Some individuals with borderline PD will sometimes have micropsychotic episodes (paranoia, auditory hallucinations) under extreme stress. Borderline is meant to suggest that people with this disorder are at the border between neuroses (most of us have them) and psychosis (difficulties with reality testing). This is the original conceptualization of this disorder.

OP: Diagnosing your wife with borderline personality disorder will not help you much. If she is unwilling to seek treatment for her difficulties, there is not much you can do other than accept her as she is or get out (look at distress tolerance in dialectical behavior therapy).