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http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/24/opinion/frum-abortion-issue/?hpt=us_mid

What if abortion became a non-issue?

Editor's note: David Frum, a CNN contributor, was a special assistant to President George W. Bush from 2001 to 2002. He is the author of six books, including "Comeback: Conservatism That Can Win Again," and is the editor of FrumForum.

Washington (CNN) -- What's the most emotional and divisive issue in American politics?

Abortion, right?

Just this weekend, former Republican front-runner Rick Perry used the abortion issue to slam current Republican front-runner Herman Cain at the Iowa Faith and Freedom forum.

Perry said:

"It is a liberal canard to say I am personally pro-life, but government should stay out of that decision. If that is your view, you are not pro-life, you are pro having-your-cake-and-eating-it-too."

Over the previous week, Herman Cain had alarmed anti-abortion voters with a series of verbal miscues, indicating both that abortion must be stopped but also that the decision should be left to the individual woman, with no role for government.

At the Faith and Freedom forum, Cain over-corrected for his week of stumbles: "No abortions. No exceptions." That new position goes far beyond the usual pro-life policy, which allows exceptions for rape, child abuse, and to save the life of the mother.

Pro-life activists must unhappily confront the probability that many of the leading candidates for the GOP nomination in 2012 - while all professedly pro-life - in reality neither care very much nor think very much about the abortion issue.

But now look at the world from the politicians' point of view. They must hold together a coalition that is sliced apart by the abortion issue. Pro-choice Republicans do not hold forums. But they exist, and they have power. With the result that while you can't get nominated for president by the GOP if you are pro-choice (see Giuliani, Rudy), you also can't get nominated if you oppose abortion too much (see Huckabee, Mike).

For the politicians, it's all baffling and vexing.

And yet -- incredible as it sounds now -- there is reason to expect that the abortion issue may someday just vanish from national politics. After all, that's what happened to the last great moral issue to rattle the American party system: alcohol prohibition.

For 70 years from the end of the Civil War to the Great Depression, a human lifetime, the "drys" and the "wets" mustered all the passion, commitment, and moralism of the pro-life and pro-choice movements of our day.

"It is my opinion that the saloonkeeper is worse than a thief and a murderer. The ordinary thief steals only your money, but the saloonkeeper steals your honor and your character. The ordinary murderer takes your life, but the saloonkeeper murders your soul."

That's from the famous "booze sermon" of Billy Sunday, the great popular preacher of the 1910s and 1920s. Thousands of such passionate speeches -- millions more passionate words -- were uttered by names now brown with history: William Jennings Bryan, Carrie Nation, Elizabeth Cady Stanton. It was not all talk. Ferocious legislative battles were bought to prohibit alcohol at the county, state and then ultimately national level. The great scholar of American politics, Judith Shklar, estimated to her graduate students that through the long run of American history, more elections at more levels of government have turned on alcohol than any other issue, including slavery.

Politicians hated the alcohol issue for the same reason they now dislike the abortion issue: It sliced apart the existing party structure.

The Republicans could not win a national majority without the support of Protestant immigrants from Germany in cities like Milwaukee and St. Louis. The Democrats could not win without the enthusiastic support of Irish Catholics in New York and New England. City-dwelling Germans and Irish intensely resented attempts of their country-dwelling neighbors to regulate their behavior for them.

"If they don't feel like takin' a glass of beer on Sunday, we must abstain," a contemporary Irish-American politician bitterly complained. "If they have not got any amusements up in their backwoods, we mustn't have none."

National politicians responded to Prohibition then in the same way they respond to abortion now: by looking for ways to avoid and de-escalate a destabilizing issue. "Questions based upon temperance, religion, morality, in all their multiplied forms, ought not to be the basis of politics," declared Senator John Sherman of Indiana in 1873. "We don't want to alienate anybody!" complained a Michigan Republican leader of the 1880s as quoted in a contemporary newspaper.

As Richard Jensen observes in his classic history, "The Winning of the Midwest", "Very few prominent Republican politicians were abstainers ... The politicians were not less likely to be churchgoers (many voters, after all, attended church), but they had developed their own standards of personal morality." Then as now!

And yet a century later ... the issue is dead. Vanished. Forgotten. What happened?

Three things.

1. Alcohol prohibition did finally get a national trial, from 1919-1933 and was universally experienced even by former supporters as a disaster.

2. The problem addressed by prohibition has dwindled away. While it's difficult to know with any precision how much people drank in the years after the Civil War, it's almost certain that 19th Century Americans drank much more than they do today. (For that matter, Americans today drink nearly 20% less than they did as recently as 1980.)

3. And maybe most important, drinking and non-drinking are no longer so intimately associated with other ethno-cultural divisions within American life. As alcohol ceased to be a cultural symbol, the appropriate regulation of alcohol ceased to be an ideological issue. When alcohol regulation flared up again in the 1980s, during the debate over stricter punishments for drunk driving, the debate never turned into a culture war because "alcohol" was not code (as it had been a century before) for a dozen other identities and grievances.

Can we imagine such a fate for the abortion issue?

Condition number one could well happen, and would be revolutionary.

But even in its absence, condition number two is beginning to obtain in the United States. In the early 1980s, there were some 29 abortions per 1,000 women of child-bearing age. Today that rate has declined to about 19 abortions per 1,000 women. The rate will never reach zero, but we may expect that it will continue to decline as contraceptives improve and attitudes to out-of-wedlock birth become more accepting, and as younger generations increasingly reject abortion as an acceptable resolution of a pregnancy.

What about condition three? Alcohol became central to American politics at a time when Americans were arguing whether the country should be rural or urban, a farm economy or industrial, and whether Catholics could ever become good Americans. As those arguments lost their intensity, so did the alcohol issue. Abortion became central to modern politics at exactly the same time as Americans were arguing over sexuality generally, over the status of women and the rights of gays.

I think it's a good guess that if we come to a new consensus about the status of women -- absorbing and digesting the sexual revolution of the 1960s and the feminist revolution of the 1970s into a new dispensation more comfortable with both women's equality to men and their differences from men -- disagreements over abortion will come to matter less. Such disagreements won't disappear, any more than we've seen the end of debates about whether bars should open on Sundays. But the disagreements won't matter so furiously much as they now seem to do.

Too bad for Herman Cain that day still seems at least a couple of decades remote.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of David Frum.

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Frum is primarily addressing Republicans and in particular social conservatives in the base. The divide is still real for them.

What I don't understand is why you have to be either pro-life or pro-choice.

I am pro-life and pro-choice. I don't like abortions any more than the next person. Nobody "likes" abortions. I'd like to see fewer abortions required and performed. In a perfect world, abortions would be unnecessary, but we don't live in a perfect world.

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I would think Cain's race would be a lot more important for those folks than his stance on abortion.

Nobody "likes" abortions. I'd like to see fewer abortions required and performed.

I "like" abortion.

I believe anyone on the dole who becomes pregnant should face mandatory abortion or be off the dole.

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What I don't understand is why you have to be either pro-life or pro-choice.

I am pro-life and pro-choice. I don't like abortions any more than the next person. Nobody "likes" abortions. I'd like to see fewer abortions required and performed. In a perfect world, abortions would be unnecessary, but we don't live in a perfect world.

The term "pro-life", in America at least, has become shorthand for anti-abortion. I.e. 'pro life' has come to mean that the right of the fetus takes precedence over the right of the woman to control her own body. It's become a political slogan, not a literal common-sense English usage of the phrase 'pro-life'.

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I am pro-life and pro-choice. I don't like abortions any more than the next person. Nobody "likes" abortions. I'd like to see fewer abortions required and performed.

You are not that extreme in your view on abortions.

There are many that wouldn't get an abortion if the doctor told them their baby will be born with no legs, arms, teeth, eyes, ears, and will live the most miserable life humanly imaginable.

Others will pull out a gun and kill a doctor that gives abortions.

I posted an article on my FB a few months back, "Babies Distinguish Pain from Touch at 35-37 Weeks, Research Finds."

That is right around 9 months...My aunt comments "Just imagine how much pain that baby is going through when a woman has an abortion."

My cousin would want the federal government to ban all abortions and prosecute offenders. And he is much less radical than his parents so I'd imagine they would want the same.

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Wouldn't it be better if they didn't get pregnant to begin with?

It would.

I'd make it mandatory for them to process through the line taking the check in one hand, shot in the other arm. The ones who still ended up pregnant would have the "choice" to either abort the pregnancy or abort their free money/housing/lifestyle.

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Ensure your beneficiary makes and brings with them to the States a copy of the DS-3025 (vaccination form)

If the government is going to force me to exercise my "right" to health care, then they better start requiring people to exercise their Right to Bear Arms. - "Where's my public option rifle?"

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There should be a scientific way to create a switch inside a women's body.

At birth it is flicked to the off position.

When the women is of age, mature, ready financially, ready mentally, and prepared to bring a new human life into the world and foster it for 18 years of blood, sweat, and tears - then she can make an appointment with the doctor and they can flip the switch to the on position.

Of course this is playing God, right?

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I'd make it mandatory for them to process through the line taking the check in one hand, shot in the other arm. The ones who still ended up pregnant would have the "choice" to either abort the pregnancy or abort their free money/housing/lifestyle.

I take it you weren't a big fan of Hillary's baby bond idea - $5000 a pop!

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The DEMs showed us how. In 1994 they passed the so-called assault weapons ban. They were promptly TOS'ed from power in congress that they had held for more than 50 years. The Assault Weapons Ban subsequently expired and no one tried to resucitate it at any time since. There have been no further proposed federal gun restrictions since. Two subsequent Supreme Court decisions have nailed that coffin shut.

So, if we allow the Repubs to pass some restrictive abortion law, then get their butts kicked right out of office...job done.

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