Herman Cain wins straw poll in Nevada

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LAS VEGAS — Herman Cain placed first Friday in a straw poll of Republican activists at the Western Republican Leadership Conference.

Cain took 31 percent of the more than 550 votes cast. Mitt Romney came in second with 29 percent, while Newt Gingrich's 21 percent put him in third.

...Gingrich's third-place finish was a surprising piece of good news for the former House speaker. Gingrich took only 7 percent in an Associated Press/GfK poll released Thursday, putting him in fifth place.

One in ten participants chose Ron Paul, who typically performs well in straw polls, due in part to his ability to mobilize his supporters to turn out for such events. Texas Gov. Rick Perry, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) and Rick Santorum each took less than 5 percent of the vote.

Cain, who has catapulted into the top tier of the GOP race over the past month, had his first major victory in a test vote on Sept. 24 when he pulled off an upset in Florida's P5 straw poll.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-presidential-primary/189171-cain-wins-straw-poll-in-nevada

[luckytxn 2,264]

Nevada huh.

[bigdog 376]

It's still early I am sure we will see many changes.

[scandal 951]

It's still early I am sure we will see many changes.

It's not that early any longer. Iowa is Jan 3. That's a little over 2 moths from now. Pretty soon these Gallup polls and straw polls are going to be replaced by the real thing.

[GringoD 33]

my idea of good ticket, Gingrich/Cain.

[Ready to do it 101]

I'd love to see Paul/Gingrich, though that wouldn't happen.

Stick a fork in Cain. He's done. He wont escape all the flip-flopping/inconsistencies in what he says.

Edited October 22, 2011 by Ready to do it

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Cain is surging in the polls! Romney holds on by his fingernails, Perry is in fourth, well back, and screaming curse words at Romney! The rest are.....well, Ron Pual has the biggest support of any of the single digit candidates

Edited October 22, 2011 by Gary and Alla

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I'd love to see Paul/Gingrich, though that wouldn't happen.

Stick a fork in Cain. He's done. He wont escape all the flip-flopping/inconsistencies in what he says.

Then how did he win this one? In nationwide polls he is surging ahead of Romney

[luckytxn 2,264]

Then how did he win this one? In nationwide polls he is surging ahead of Romney

Another driver just told me about an hour ago that Cain is doing so well with Republicans because Republicans are Racist.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Another driver just told me about an hour ago that Cain is doing so well with Republicans because Republicans are Racist.

If he does well, I really do not care why.

Stupid people are allowed to vote also. Why should they all go for Obama? Cain ought to be able to cut in on Obama's lock on "the stupid vote"

Edited October 23, 2011 by Gary and Alla

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Cain is surging in the polls! Romney holds on by his fingernails, Perry is in fourth, well back, and screaming curse words at Romney! The rest are.....well, Ron Pual has the biggest support of any of the single digit candidates

This is no different than Perry/Trump/Bachmann (and is there one more?)....They "surge in the polls" and then their 15 minutes of fame fades fast.

At best, Cain will be like a Romney in '08 (he did good, but not good enough and had to end his campaign in February)...

Edited October 23, 2011 by Lord Infamous

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

This is no different than Perry/Trump/Bachmann (and is there one more?)....They "surge in the polls" and then their 15 minutes of fame fades fast.

At best, Cain will be like a Romney in '08 (he did good, but not good enough and had to end his campaign in February)...

I'm not worried.

Your flawed chart is based on income tax only and does not calculate the sales tax. It cannot be correct unless the rich do not spend ANY money. It also assumes they pay the maximum tax rate on ALL their income. They don't.

As I have said, though, the problem with the 9-9-9 plan is the first two "9's" I would prefer to see NO ONE pay income tax regardless of...income

Edited October 23, 2011 by Gary and Alla

[lostinblue 1,989]

Just think of all the tax code we could throw out with the 999 plan.

10 Outrageous Facts About the Income Tax

by Chris Edwards

This article appeared on cato.org on April 15, 2003.

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As you struggle to prepare your taxes this year, you may take some comfort in knowing that your headache is being felt across the country. The following odd and outrageous facts show how widespread income tax problems are:

The U.S. "tax army" is bigger than the U.S. army in Iraq.

Income taxes are so complex that there are up to 1.2 million paid tax preparers in the country -- six times more than the number of troops in Iraq. The tax army includes legions of accountants, lawyers, and computer experts -- some of the best minds in the country. Unfortunately, their brainpower is adding little to the nation's standard of living.

A tax form for every special interest.

As the income tax grows more complex, the number of IRS tax forms has jumped from 402 in 1990 to 526 by 2002. Congress hands the accountants business on a silver platter when they create special interest tax forms such as "8845-Indian Employment Credit" and "8834-Qualified Electric Vehicle Credit." When Congress penalizes an activity, we get tax forms such as "6197-Gas Guzzler Tax." It's time to end the micromanaging and adopt a simple flat-rate tax. Until then, Congress needs to supplement "6478-Credit for Alcohol Used as Fuel" with form "XXX-Credit for Alcohol Used for Drinking."

Chris Edwards is director of fiscal policy studies at the Cato Institute.

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Double-tax on dividends: 60 years and still not fixed.

Sixty years ago, a Treasury report noted that "double taxation of corporate profits is the principal problem raised in connection with the corporation income tax." In the 1930s, a Treasury report argued that the tax disincentive to pay dividends caused corporate management problems. Recent scandals proved them right. Congress should bite the bullet and reform dividend taxes now -- before the next round of corporate scandals begins.

Congress promotes discrimination through the tax code.

The front of the Supreme Court building boldly declares "equal justice under law," yet the income tax has hundreds of discriminatory provisions. For example, homeowners are treated more favorably than renters since they can deduct mortgage interest and other itemized deductions. Consider that a higher-income homeowner can effectively deduct car loan interest by shifting around his finances but a lower-income apartment dweller cannot. Americans would not stand for such discrimination on other taxes -- imagine if each shopper at Wal-Mart was assigned a different sales tax rate!

Congress on tax complexity: Who us?

Congress frequently holds hearings on tax simplification so members can denounce the tax code's complexity. Each time, congressional experts and outside think tanks provide useful simplification ideas. Then when the TV cameras are turned off, Congress promptly ignores them and votes for more special interest breaks. The result: The number of pages in the tax code and regulations doubled from 26,300 in 1984 to 54,846 by 2003, according to tax publisher CCH.

AMT designed to catch 155 taxpayers will soon catch 37 million.

The alternative minimum tax is an unneeded parallel tax system alongside the ordinary income tax. It began life in 1969 after Congress was shocked (shocked!) to learn that 155 wealthy individuals were not paying tax because they used too many of the deductions that Congress had provided them. The AMT has been a complex nuisance ever since. But this dumb idea aimed at the rich is set to explode on the middle-class as the number of AMT taxpayers skyrockets from 3 million today to 36 million by 2010.

Voluntarism works for the U.S. military, not the income tax.

For years, officials have hailed the income tax as a voluntary system. The Treasury calls it "our voluntary tax system." The IRS says that it pursues "enforcement programs to promote voluntary compliance" and establishes "strategies to maximize voluntary tax law compliance by emphasizing customer satisfaction." But with 32 million IRS penalties assessed each year and about $10,000 in income taxes imposed on each taxpaying household, the tax isn't voluntary and these customers aren't satisfied.

Congress can't figure out how to measure "income."

Although the income tax is 90 years old, Congress still can't figure out how to measure "income." Some income such as municipal bond interest is not taxed, but other income such as dividends is taxed twice. The income tax treatment of savings is particularly incoherent and unstable. For example, there have been 25 major changes in the capital gains tax since 1922. The solution is to replace the income tax with a low-rate tax that exempts savings.

Family saving shouldn't require an advanced math degree.

Shouldn't saving for education, retirement, and other items be as simple as putting money in the bank? Instead, Congress has manufactured hundreds of special savings rules, such as for 401(k)s, Keoghs, deductible IRAs, nondeductible IRAs, education IRAs, Roth IRAs, traditional pension plans, annuities, SIMPLEs, SEPs, MSAs, and others. The IRS guide to IRAs alone is 105 pages long! President Bush's initiative to consolidate the savings plans and create a universal IRA would be a good step to bring some sanity to this mess.

Income taxes: A bad idea that got worse.

The income tax is not an example of a good idea gone bad. It was bad from the beginning, and it just keeps getting worse. The income tax distorts financial planning and business investment, and it encourages tax avoidance and evasion. Because the income tax is built on an unworkable base of "income," the law is continually changing. Let's simplify Americans' finances and disband the tax army by pursuing fundamental tax reform.

Total Pages of Federal Tax Rules

Source: CCH Inc. Number of pages in the CCH Standard Federal Tax Reporter, www.cch.com.

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Just think of all the tax code we could throw out with the 999 plan.

The U.S. "tax army" is bigger than the U.S. army in Iraq.

Income taxes are so complex that there are up to 1.2 million paid tax preparers in the country

Fantastic!

We can immediately add 1.2 million tax payers to the unemployment line.

Current labor force = 140,025,000 TO 138 825 000 (taking us back to September 09 levels). Wiping out the MILLIONS of jobs Obama created (ok, about 1.1 million in the last 10 months).

Our unemployment rate would immediately jump back to 10% (also note that Obama increased the U/E rate 1.3% while Bush increased it 3.6%):

And this is a good thing how?

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost

Edited October 23, 2011 by Lord Infamous

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Fantastic!

We can immediately add 1.2 million tax payers to the unemployment line.

Current labor force = 140,025,000 TO 138 825 000 (taking us back to September 09 levels). Wiping out the MILLIONS of jobs Obama created (ok, about 1.1 million in the last 10 months).

Our unemployment rate would immediately jump back to 10% (also note that Obama increased the U/E rate 1.3% while Bush increased it 3.6%):

And this is a good thing how?

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost

They can find jobs in the expanded private sector a accountants counting profit. They can EARN their money.

Edited October 24, 2011 by Gary and Alla