freed Palestinian prisoner vows to 'sacrifice' her life

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As she returned to her family home in northern Gaza, Wafa al-Bis insisted she would seize any opportunity to mount another suicide mission and encouraged dozens of cheering schoolchildren to follow her example.

Bis was one of hundreds of Palestinian militants freed by Israel on Tuesday in the first phase of a prisoner swap agreed with Hamas, Gaza's Islamist overlords, to win the freedom of Sgt Maj Shalit after five years in solitary confinement.

Her words will chill critics of the deal who argue that many of the 1,027 Palestinians who are to be released from prison will return to violence once they have been freed. For most Israelis, such fears have been consigned to the future as an anxious nation watched to see how the 25-year-old conscript was faring on his first full day at home in Mitzpe Hila, his home village in the hills above the Sea of Galilee.

They were given a brief glimpse as he took his first stroll, supported by his mother and wearing dark glasses against the unaccustomed sunlight.

In the coming days and weeks, he is expected to be debriefed on his captivity by both military intelligence and the secret service, Mossad. But military officials say they want to leave him to recover his health with his family first, and will be guided by his medical condition.

Sgt Maj Shalit joked with military doctors examining him and is in better health than some expected. When told his condition was broadly "stable", he is said to have replied: "I expected you to be surprised by my good condition."

In contrast to the private reunion under way in northern Galilee, the scene in Gaza remained festive as freed Palestinian captives greeted relations and well-wishers at tented receptions.

But few were as outspoken as the would-be suicide bomber. Bis was just 21 when, in 2005, she volunteered to undertake a suicide mission in Israel.

Her target, Israel says, was a hospital where she had been given permission to seek treatment for burns she sustained in a gas tank explosion. She never got there. Stopped by suspicious Israeli soldiers at a checkpoint on Gaza's border, she was discovered with 22lb of explosives sewn into a belt inside her underwear. Bis tried to blow herself up but the detonator malfunctioned.

Speaking in her bedroom, the shelves of which were lined with soft toys, Bis yesterday maintained that the six years she spent in an Israeli prison cell had left her with no regrets other than her failure to kill herself and her captors, although she insisted that her target was only ever going to be a military one.

"I wanted to be the first female martyr from Gaza to kill Israeli soldiers and I wanted to kill as many as I could," she said. "I had wanted to be a martyr since I was a kid. I regard what I did as an honourable thing. It was my dream to be a martyr but God didn't let me."

If given the opportunity, she added, she would fulfil her destiny to avenge the deaths of Palestinian children killed by Israeli forces. "As long as there is going to be occupation over all of Palestine, martyrs will be there to resist and to fight, and I will be among the first of the strugglers," she said. "This is an honourable thing and I would be a suicide bomber three times over if I could."

Bis's mother Salma said she had no idea of her daughter's mission — but added that she felt she had no choice but to encourage her in her chosen course of life. "This is Jihad, it is an honourable thing and I am proud of her," she said.

Despite Sgt Maj Shalit's apparent good humour, he is understood to be showing signs of his long imprisonment, in which conditions were said at first to be "poor", though he has not been questioned on this aspect of his captivity yet.

He has difficulty climbing the stairs and his pallor is attributed to the lack of light he experienced in captivity.

http://www.telegraph...e-her-life.html

Edited October 20, 2011 by John Galt

[scandal 951]

Question. A hypothetical one.

Let's say you live in a normal country. America, say.

Let's say one of your countrymen, a fellow American, let's call him Pete, goes to a different country. Canada, say. Or Mexico. Or not even a neighboring country, any other country in the world. But let's pick Canada, just for kicks.

Let's say that our countryman Pete, that fellow American, turns out to be a violent and dangerous person and kills 6 people in cold blood in Canada. Just shoots them dead. Unfortunately we all know that as much as we love America, not all Americans are good people, and some are violent and commit horrible crimes. Let's say the Law Enforcement in Canada captures that dangerous person. They arrest him, put him on trial, and incarcerate him in their prison system for a crime he committed on their soil. Given the terrible things he's done, it's a life sentence.

Ok, now let's suppose that for some reason they are compelled to let this guy out of jail early. Perhaps a legal technicality or a successful appeal. Or some other reason that coerces the legal and penal system to free him early. But they know who he is and what he's done and want no part of him in Canada, of course. So they send him packing back home to the USA. He arrives back in his home town. Perhaps a big city like Pittsburgh or Denver. Perhaps a small town somewhere in the midwest or the south.

Just what sort of homecoming do you think Pete gets back home?

Ticker tape parade? A hero's welcome? Cheering crowds?

Do you think he gets to address the hometown folks and impart his wisdom and philosophy of life?

Do you think he gets to encourage the adoring worshiping children to follow in his footsteps?

To go up to Canada, to plot the killing of Canadians?

Do you think the parents of these kids weep with joy at these words, and hope and pray that one day their kids can grow up to act like Pete?

I mean.... SERIOUSLY?????

Who acts like this? In the USA? In any country?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Menachem Begin

Well, Israel made this murdering terrorist its Prime Minister. He must have had a few fans in that country.

[sandinista! 1,816]

Google "Baruch Goldstein hero"- it'll blow your mind.

[sandinista! 1,816]

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=105939

Oh, and there's plenty of people calling for Ami Popper to be pardoned too. He's got a fanclub too. Please explain how this Israeli mass murderer has had over a hundred furloughs since his imprisonment, where he was allowed to get married, father multiple children, and then, while out on another one of those furloughs kills his wife and one or two of his kids. Why does a mass murderer get furloughs, this isn't just random nuts on the Internet who are fans of the guy, that's freaking institutional. Sick!

[scandal 951]

Google "Baruch Goldstein hero"- it'll blow your mind.

A fair point.

Goldstein's actions - the Hebron massacre of Arabs - were unspeakably awful. What he did turns my stomach. That he did it, in his warped mine, in the name of the Jewish people, is abhorrent. I cannot state forcefully enough how much I repudiate him, what he did, what he believed, what he stood for.

I'm also aware that there is a community of extremist Jews who agree with his views, who condone and approve and consider him a hero. They consider him a martyr and made pilgrimages to his grave site until it was dismantled by Israeli authorities. He remains a hero to this hardcore group of dangerous, fanatic extremists. People filled with hate and violence that do not speak for me or for mainstream Israelis or Jews. They are to me as American-born KKK or neo Nazis are to mainstream Americans. People that we understand exist in our community but whom we despise and condemn.

Here's my point.

I repudiate Goldstein. I repudiate any who might justify him or what he stood for.

Do you do the same for the Wafa al-Bis?

Do you condemn- forcefully and unequivocally - her call for violence and bloodshed, her call to children to become martyrs and suicide bombers and to kill as many Israelis as they can?

Or do you point out Goldstein while saying nothing of al-Bis?

[scandal 951]

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=105939

Oh, and there's plenty of people calling for Ami Popper to be pardoned too. He's got a fanclub too. Please explain how this Israeli mass murderer has had over a hundred furloughs since his imprisonment, where he was allowed to get married, father multiple children, and then, while out on another one of those furloughs kills his wife and one or two of his kids. Why does a mass murderer get furloughs, this isn't just random nuts on the Internet who are fans of the guy, that's freaking institutional. Sick!

He's in prison, right? Right??? For all the calls for his release, he's not released, right?

Like Goldstein, I agree with you Popper ought to spend the rest of his life in a dank cell and never see freedom again. No argument on that score. Condemned and be damned, he should.

Is this all you do? Tell me that there are horrible mass murderers among 6 million Israelis?

I have news for you. America has mass murderers, England has mass murderers, every society does.

Some of them even have fan clubs - Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer, the Unabomber. Bizarre as it may seem.

But what a civil society does with such people is arrest them, imprison them. They're dangerous, they shouldn't be on the streets.

What a civil society doesn't do is praise them, cheer them, encourage them, allow them to influence the young.

Do you want me to tell you Israel is an imperfect society? Fine, done.

I'm still hearing deafening silence about what these released criminals did.

Are you not afraid to have such known murderers walking around in Palestine? They're dangerous. I wouldn't want them in my neighborhood. You're ok with them walking around freely in Palestinian towns?

[dalegg 143]

So the trade was like 1 Jewish guy for 1000 Palestinians? That's not very good bargaining for a people that are sterotyped for their tough bargaining skills.

[sandinista! 1,816]

Yeah, unequivocally. I unequivocally refuse to saddle every Israeli with the likes of Goldstein and Popper too. But somehow every Palestinian or supporter gets saddled with every negative act that every Palestinian has ever committed at any time, ever. It gets, well, old after a bit ya know? It's a dehumanizing thing, and it needs to stop.

[sandinista! 1,816]

Yeah, there were even some trash bags that married Richard Ramirez and Ted Bundy in prison and all that. But the furloughs-that's unprecedented as far as I know. Presumably he earned them for good behavior-yet the woman he married and fathered children with was involved with a known terror group. This is good behavior? This earns over a hundred overnight-48 hr releases from prison after shooting 7 men in cold blood? Like I said before, it's well beyond random froot loops on the Internet. That had the ringing endorsement of the supposed justice system.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

And still no condemnation of the gal in the OP...

[sandinista! 1,816]

Is post #9 not showing up for you?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

And still no condemnation of the gal in the OP...

Is it assumed that we support this sort of behavior unless we say we don't? Sandinista said it for both of us. Ten years after 9/11, I'm loooong ago done with apologizing for the acts of Muslims or Arabs I don't even know. You don't have to comment on criminals who share your ethnicity or religion, do you? Let someone else do the apologizing. I'm done with that sh!t.

In April 1948, Haganah forces entered my family's home in Haifa, forced them to leave with only what they could carry, then trucked them off to Jerusalem, never to return. They stole our home, our family business, our fields and other properties, as well as their contents to give to immigrant Jews from other countries. Other neighbors fared less well. They were killed.

My family was not outside of what was to be come Israel. We were inside the proposed state lines. We were not violent. We were not thrown out to become stateless Palestinians. We are among the "present absentees", non-Jews who lost everything in the Zionist zeal to put under government control whatever they could from non-Jews to give to Jews.

In return, in 1951, we were given Israeli citizenship, but never regained the property that had been in the family for generations. If I was Jewish and told this story, you would cry because Jews are the eternal victims. You would believe that these Nazi-like tactics would elevate me to the status of a people that could do no wrong. But, as non-Jews, you and the Zionists think we're expendable, and that our demand for restitution is pitiful.

I can abhor their tactics, I can abhor violence, but I will never deny a people who have been wronged a chance to make it right, even if they're not Jewish.

Edited October 20, 2011 by Sofiyya

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Question. A hypothetical one.

Let's say you live in a normal country. America, say.

Let's say one of your countrymen, a fellow American, let's call him Pete, goes to a different country. Canada, say. Or Mexico. Or not even a neighboring country, any other country in the world. But let's pick Canada, just for kicks.

Let's say that our countryman Pete, that fellow American, turns out to be a violent and dangerous person and kills 6 people in cold blood in Canada. Just shoots them dead. Unfortunately we all know that as much as we love America, not all Americans are good people, and some are violent and commit horrible crimes. Let's say the Law Enforcement in Canada captures that dangerous person. They arrest him, put him on trial, and incarcerate him in their prison system for a crime he committed on their soil. Given the terrible things he's done, it's a life sentence.

Ok, now let's suppose that for some reason they are compelled to let this guy out of jail early. Perhaps a legal technicality or a successful appeal. Or some other reason that coerces the legal and penal system to free him early. But they know who he is and what he's done and want no part of him in Canada, of course. So they send him packing back home to the USA. He arrives back in his home town. Perhaps a big city like Pittsburgh or Denver. Perhaps a small town somewhere in the midwest or the south.

Just what sort of homecoming do you think Pete gets back home?

Unless the lumpen majority of his hometown are stuck on 1812 (when US made a botched invasion of Canada--and as consequence, suffered an attempt by UK to retake it), I doubt he'd be welcomed by anyone more than a cabbie trying to hustle a fare (and the cabbie may cheer him--but only if he gives a really generous tip like 50% of the fare).

Ticker tape parade? A hero's welcome? Cheering crowds?

Do you think he gets to address the hometown folks and impart his wisdom and philosophy of life?

Do you think he gets to encourage the adoring worshiping children to follow in his footsteps?

To go up to Canada, to plot the killing of Canadians?

Do you think the parents of these kids weep with joy at these words, and hope and pray that one day their kids can grow up to act like Pete?

I mean.... SERIOUSLY?????

Who acts like this? In the USA? In any country?

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Her only regret was that she didn't have a plane.