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Vote for the guy that politicians on both sides hate.

Done. Ron Paul!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Done. Ron Paul!

That would be better. But I think Cain will win. Paul wants none of that tax #######.

I do not like the 9-9-9 plan. Not for the imaginary reasons and made up reasons and for the lies, but because it maintains income tax. We need to eliminate income tax in every form.

I shall not defend the 9-9-9 plan, I WILL defend CAIN as the ONLY guy that GETS IT! We MUST change our revenue system, it is broken, it does not work and can never solve our financial problems because it is far too suseptible to manipulation. It is not even a revenue system any more, it is simply a social agenda system.

The 9-9-9 is a proposal. I think it needs to be modified and the income tax portion taken out. But it is a good start, it is a place to begin and the fact that it gets put front and center is GREAT. If Cain is elected or gets the nomination then the issue of fundamental change is finally on the table.

[Ready to do it 101]

When push comes to shove in a few months there will only be four left... most likely Romney, Perry, Paul, and Cain.

I think many of the lesser known candidates had a better showing than the last few debates, unfortunately I think some of them are quickly going to run out of time. I am actually very impressed with the Newt's all-Godly air of wisdom. If Perry could speak like Newt, he would have wrapped this election up the day he announced he was running. Fortunately Perry just fumbles all over the place and I think is probably in 4th place right now and won't be climbing any higher. He'll go the distance simply because of the campaign contributions he brings in, but it won't translate into votes to put him the top two.

Ron Paul is still the guy in my book. I could be persuaded to like Cain simply for his 9-9-9 plan, but something tells me that's all he's got.... a tax plan and he would fail miserably as a president in every other issue. Once people finish poking holes in the 9-9-9 plan, you can stick a fork in him. Flavor of the month he was. Hopefully some of the others pay attention to the idea of scraping income tax for another alternative since Cain will probably fade before we get to the end.

Edited October 19, 2011 by Ready to do it

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

In the coming days we will see how it shakes out. I think Cain will be the only one with a measurable gain from this. If anyone else gains t will be Perry but at Romneys expense and nothing to help either.

[Ready to do it 101]

I don't think Cain gained tonight. I don't think he lost much either though. Agreed Perry did much better in this debate than in previous debates, but I don't think it's going to be a significant increase for him, I could even see it not translate into an increase in votes. He still is a poor debater, I'd just rate him as a 3 or maybe a 4 debater as opposed to a 1 on a scale of 1-10. So his debate skills were better, but I don't think it is going to push him up in the polls much. I think we'll see Perry, Paul, Newt, Bachman, even Santorum all increase 0-2% at the expense of Romney and Cain tonight. Perhaps Romney falls about 2-3% and Cain falls 1-2%. Very soon Cain is going to fall significantly after he unsuccessfully proves his 9-9-9 plan. The more I keep thinking about this, after Cain gets exposed as a losing plan (though I like the plan as it benefits me), Paul just might be in that top 2 sooner than people think.

In the coming days we will see how it shakes out. I think Cain will be the only one with a measurable gain from this. If anyone else gains t will be Perry but at Romneys expense and nothing to help either.

Edited October 19, 2011 by Ready to do it

[웃 910]

In the coming days we will see how it shakes out. I think Cain will be the only one with a measurable gain from this. If anyone else gains t will be Perry but at Romneys expense and nothing to help either.

Why do you hate Romney? Harvard educated, decades of business experience, turned the Olympics from broke to successful, brought U/E down to 4.7%, balanced the budget every year, got almost everyone health insurance, good looking, highly intelligent, IQ through the roof, real world experience, came into office in '03 with a $3 billion deficit, by '05 $1 billion surplus, balanced the budget every year, left the state in '07 with a $2 billion surplus....He closed loopholes and shrank the size/cost of government - making it more efficient.

What is there not to like about him?

Cain on the other hand. Is good at delivering pizzas. Where is his record?

[Winning23 25]

Interesting debate. The most qualified and seasoned Republican is Newt, but, he doesn' t have the glamor or money to survive the race. Cain is a one trick pony whose 999 plan got exposed for its flaws. Perry looked mean and inarticulate once again.

Ron is a true independent but his comment about shutting foreign aid including aid to Israel will be his downfall. No politician should utter these words. Truth people..

Romney has the money, swing vote and leading among middle of the road conservatives.. I think he's the republican which will come out ahead.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Why do you hate Romney? Harvard educated, decades of business experience, turned the Olympics from broke to successful, brought U/E down to 4.7%, balanced the budget every year, got almost everyone health insurance, good looking, highly intelligent, IQ through the roof, real world experience, came into office in '03 with a $3 billion deficit, by '05 $1 billion surplus, balanced the budget every year, left the state in '07 with a $2 billion surplus....He closed loopholes and shrank the size/cost of government - making it more efficient.

What is there not to like about him?

Cain on the other hand. Is good at delivering pizzas. Where is his record?

There is a fair and balanced review.

Romney is a slimey politiicna and it will be status quo but with an ® after the name. Otherwise no difference.

Now what I would like to see is an honest review of Cain's accomplishments. If you do not know them then I suggest you do some studying.

Will you vote for Romney if he is nominated?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Who won?

Obama.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Who won?

Obama.

Perry had the dirtiest looks directed at Romney.

I say in terms of political gain, Cain. Others may disagree and it is their privilege to be wrong.

[웃 910]

There is a fair and balanced review.

Romney is a slimey politiicna and it will be status quo but with an ® after the name. Otherwise no difference.

Now what I would like to see is an honest review of Cain's accomplishments. If you do not know them then I suggest you do some studying.

Will you vote for Romney if he is nominated?

Here is a fair and balanced review of the pizza delivery guy with the 666 plan:

Herman Cain

Education

Bachelors in Mathematics - Morehouse College

Masters in Computer Science - Purdue University

Cain business experience

He worked as a mathematician (in ballistics) for the Navy, a business analyst for Coca-Cola, and VP of corporate systems and services (information technology) for Pillsbury.

Cain changed careers in mid-life and moved to Pillsbury's restaurant division (Burger King). Managed 400 restaurants, then became chairman of the Godfather's Pizza chain.

He served on the board of the National Restaurant Association in 1994-1995, and was the the association's president in 1996.

Herman Cain was the Chairman of The Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City from 1995 to 1996 (and deputy chairman 1992-1994).

Herman Cain has served on the board of directors of Nabisco, Creighton University, SuperValu, UtiliCorp United, AGCO, The Georgia Chamber of Commerce, Morehouse College, Whirlpool, Hallmark, Aquila, and The Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City.

Recently has hosted radio program on WSB in Atlanta.

Created 666 plan and great success delivering pizza.

Oh, he can sing too and act a little weird:

[Ready to do it 101]

Why do you feel Cain gained tonight? We knew there was 9-9-9, what did we learn about it? Nothing got explained. They spent 30 minutes taking jabs at it and him saying "Go to our site and look at our analysis." What did he gain? I would have preferred to hear him explain some things about it. I actually went into to tonight thinking he is strongly my #2 behind Ron Paul. I left tonight thinking, I have a lot more respect for Romney after tonight than I did before tonight, and the only thing I saw from Cain was "go to my website." I don't want to go to his website. I want to hear answers come out of his mouth and I want to see someone who can speak intelligently, confidently, and with an aura of "trust me, I'm going to make things better." The only 2 people I saw that exhibited that aura were Newt and Romney. Romney gained a lot of respect from me tonight and I think many of the candidates did better tonight than in previous debates, but Cain didn't really do anything to gain tonight. He defended 9-9-9 for 30 minutes with "go to my website" and then we pretty much didn't hear from him for the last 90 minutes.

Just curious why you thought Cain gained tonight?

Perry had the dirtiest looks directed at Romney.

I say in terms of political gain, Cain. Others may disagree and it is their privilege to be wrong.

Edited October 19, 2011 by Ready to do it

[웃 910]

Why do you feel Cain gained tonight? We knew there was 9-9-9, what did we learn about it? Nothing got explained. They spent 30 minutes taking jabs at it and him saying "Go to our site and look at our analysis." What did he gain? I would have preferred to hear him explain some things about it. I actually went into to tonight thinking he is strongly my #2 behind Ron Paul. I left tonight thinking, I have a lot more respect for Romney after tonight than I did before tonight, and the only thing I saw from Cain was "go to my website." I don't want to go to his website. I want to hear answers come out of his mouth and I want to see someone who can speak intelligently, confidently, and with an aura of "trust me, I'm going to make things better." The only 2 people I saw that exhibited that aura were Newt and Romney. Romney gained a lot of respect from me tonight and I think many of the candidates did better tonight than in previous debates, but Cain didn't really do anything to gain tonight. He defended 9-9-9 for 30 minutes with "go to my website" and then we pretty much didn't hear from him for the last 90 minutes.

Just curious why you thought Cain gained tonight?

Gary really wants tax reform (ie tax cuts for the rich and tax increases on the poor and middle class).

The 666 plan is a strange plan. You tax the living sh!t out of everyone except the wealthy.

The richer you are the more you benefit from the 666 plan.

The poorer you are the more you lose from the 666 plan.

84% of households would see higher taxes.

You know it's bad when you have Bush's economic advisors calling it a monstrocity

"The Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank, says low- and middle-income families would be hit hardest, with households making between $10,000 and $20,000 seeing their taxes increase by nearly 950 percent."You're talking a $2,700 tax increase for people with incomes between $10,000 and $20,000," said Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center. "That's huge."

Among those in the middle, households making between $40,000 and $50,000 would see their taxes increase by an average of $4,400, the report said. Those making between $50,000 and $75,000 would see their annual tax bill go up by an average of $4,326.

"It's very, very regressive compared to the current system, and that's largely because we're exempting capital gains, and we're taxing your spending with the sales tax," Williams said. "People at the top end don't spend all their money and they get a lot of capital gains, so they are doing pretty well here."

[Ready to do it 101]

I understand how Gary feels about it, and I know he is for it. I am selfishly for the 9-9-9 plan, but there's really not much else I like about Cain.

I am wondering why he stated that he felt Cain "gained" in the debate tonight. I didn't see it that way. I see Cain has skyrocketed in the polls since he came out with the plan (a brilliant marketing concept), but after folks analyze everything he could plummet just as quick as he skyrocketed. So back to my original question for Gary... Why does he feel Cain gained "tonight?" I felt it was flat or opposite simply because we learned nothing new about Cain. Certainly he either kept the support he had or lost support, but gained support? How?

Gary really wants tax reform (ie tax cuts for the rich and tax increases on the poor and middle class).

The 666 plan is a strange plan. You tax the living sh!t out of everyone except the wealthy.

The richer you are the more you benefit from the 666 plan.

The poorer you are the more you lose from the 666 plan.

84% of households would see higher taxes.

You know it's bad when you have Bush's economic advisors calling it a monstrocity

"The Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank, says low- and middle-income families would be hit hardest, with households making between $10,000 and $20,000 seeing their taxes increase by nearly 950 percent."You're talking a $2,700 tax increase for people with incomes between $10,000 and $20,000," said Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center. "That's huge."

Among those in the middle, households making between $40,000 and $50,000 would see their taxes increase by an average of $4,400, the report said. Those making between $50,000 and $75,000 would see their annual tax bill go up by an average of $4,326.

"It's very, very regressive compared to the current system, and that's largely because we're exempting capital gains, and we're taxing your spending with the sales tax," Williams said. "People at the top end don't spend all their money and they get a lot of capital gains, so they are doing pretty well here."

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Why do you feel Cain gained tonight? We knew there was 9-9-9, what did we learn about it? Nothing got explained. They spent 30 minutes taking jabs at it and him saying "Go to our site and look at our analysis." What did he gain? I would have preferred to hear him explain some things about it. I actually went into to tonight thinking he is strongly my #2 behind Ron Paul. I left tonight thinking, I have a lot more respect for Romney after tonight than I did before tonight, and the only thing I saw from Cain was "go to my website." I don't want to go to his website. I want to hear answers come out of his mouth and I want to see someone who can speak intelligently, confidently, and with an aura of "trust me, I'm going to make things better." The only 2 people I saw that exhibited that aura were Newt and Romney. Romney gained a lot of respect from me tonight and I think many of the candidates did better tonight than in previous debates, but Cain didn't really do anything to gain tonight. He defended 9-9-9 for 30 minutes with "go to my website" and then we pretty much didn't hear from him for the last 90 minutes.

Just curious why you thought Cain gained tonight?

simple. None of the others can discuss his plan without lies and distortions. Value added tax? Does Bachman even know what that is? 9-9-9 is NOT a value added tax.

Mixing state and federal tax? Romney knows better than that. 9-9-9 replaces income tax which we know have in addition to state sales tax.

Taxes the poor? Serously? Remove their 7.35% withholding which ALL people pay on ALL income below the SS threshold and add a 9% income tax. So what?

End medicare and SS? What?

The main reason for opposing 9-9-9 is bcecause it eliminates the manipulation the current system allows. It eliminates the "cost of compliance" the cureent system requires. Of course the people on the receiving of the cost of compliance do not like it. Eliminates thousainds of IRS jobs, they do not like that.

rahter than being easier to raise taxes it will be harder! You would have to raise taxes on EVERYONE, not just "the rich" It is a check and balance in itself. When have you ever seen politicians object to t tax system that would be easy to increase?

Look, when someone has to fabricate BS in order to attack the plan, go with the plan. I think it was pretty obvious that the others were doing that.

Again, I only like the 9-9-9 plan for what it represents. I prefer a 0-0-23 plan myself.

However a combination of a simple income tax and sales tax have been a good combination for many states revenue systems, why is it suddenly bad when it is applied to the Feds?

Edited October 19, 2011 by Gary and Alla