How much does it piss you off!!!???? Illegal immigration.......

[one...two...tree 2,762]

that piece of paper is the reward for following the laws & requirements of this country to immigrate here. and yes it is a different or more of a burden. do you remember filling out the I-134 & I-864?

In the end, it is a formality and one that is out of reach for many. If you happen to be a single Filipina willing to marry a Kano, then you get in. If you're a poor Mexican trying to feed your family, it's a big ** you. Sorry, but that's not the America I envision us to be nor does it jive with our traditions of being a country of immigrants. A century ago, my grandmother came over on a boat from Ireland. The process for immigrating here was simple and didn't shun those who were poor.

They came here for several centuries for the same reasons – freedom and hope -- and then a Frenchman created a statue that embodied their hopes and dreams. And it embodied America's promise as well. "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..."

THE STATUE OF LIBERTY

Edited October 21, 2011 by DFH

[SMOKE 1,426]

In the end, it is a formality and one that is out of reach for many. If you happen to be a single Filipina willing to marry a Kano, then you get in. If you're a poor Mexican trying to feed your family, it's a big ** you. Sorry, but that's not the America I envision us to be nor does it jive with our traditions of being a country of immigrants. A century ago, my grandmother came over on a boat from Ireland. The process for immigrating here was simple and didn't shun those who were poor.

if you happen to be a single filipina or any 'ina' wanting to marry a kano, that is willing to GUARANTEE the US gov't you won't become a public charge...you get in. any poor person from any country trying to come here to 'feed there family' gets a big ** you, in order to protect public assistance programs for those legally here. why should we look the other way or make exceptions because someone is from a country that allows for them to walk inside our borders? most less fortunate people around the globe would love the opportunity to come here. your grandmother came during an open immigration period & followed the law. yes?...stupid fvckin comparison there steveo

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

Since we have to follow the rule of law, cannot shoot presumed illegal immigrants, shove them into a van and drop them off near the border, we have to pay $11,500 per illegal immigrant to detain them, let them have their day in court, house them, feed them, and finally deport them.

Since we have an estimated 11,000,000 illegal aliens in this country, perhaps millions more, that would cost us, the American Taxpayers $1,265,000,000,000,000.00. The U.S. government is broke from all those unnecessary wars for oil and power. The rich don't want to pay more, the poor can't pay more.

Sachinsky, would YOU like to donate an extra five grand or so to deport half an illegal immigrant on top of the 400,000 Obama deported in the 2011 fiscal year?

[sachinky 465]

That piece of paper gives me the right to be here legally. And in the end, it does make a world of difference. It means that I have gone through the hoops and I have followed the laws of the land in which I intend to live. I think that gives me enough right to speak on the issue.

A century and a half ago, blacks were held in slavery in the US. So what? What happened a century or so ago is quite irrelevant in the modern context.

I have no time for the 'poor hardworking Mexican trying to feed his family' argument, frankly. I am from India and I have seen poverty on a level that is unbelievable, indescribable. Again. So friggin' what? Being poor gives you the right to break laws? What about the millions of Thais, Indians and Bangladeshis who would give their right arm to be in the US? What about them? They don't get a chance? No, life is not fair.

America is a country of immigrants. Embracing legal immigrants has always been the American way. Embracing illegal immigrants who seem to spit on the laws of the land (and for the most part, have no affiliation to the country, apart from working illegally so that they can send money across the border) seems to fly smack dab in the face of logic.

Sachinsky, would YOU like to donate an extra five grand or so to deport half an illegal immigrant on top of the 400,000 Obama deported in the 2011 fiscal year?

Why? Is there a can going around? While I can't promise $5000, I'd happily donate to Obama's deportation fund.

Edited October 21, 2011 by sachinky

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

That piece of paper gives me the right to be here legally. And in the end, it does make a world of difference. It means that I have gone through the hoops and I have followed the laws of the land in which I intend to live. I think that gives me enough right to speak on the issue.

A century and a half ago, blacks were slaves. So what? What happened a century or so is irrelevant in the modern context.

I have no time for the 'poor hardworking Mexican trying to feed his family' argument, frankly. I am from India and I have seen poverty on a level that is unbelievable, indescribable. Again. So friggin' what? Being poor gives you the right to break laws? What about the millions of Thais, Indians and Bangladeshis who would give their right arm to be in the US? What about them? They don't get a chance? No, life is not fair.

America is a country of immigrants. Embracing legal immigrants has always been the American way. Embracing illegal immigrants who seem to spit on the laws of the land (and for the most part, have no affiliation to the country, apart from working money) seems to fly smack dab in the face of logic.

Why? Is there a can going around? While I can't promise $5000, I'd happily donate to Obama's deportation fund.

What caste were you in again?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

if you happen to be a single filipina or any 'ina' wanting to marry a kano, that is willing to GUARANTEE the US gov't you won't become a public charge...you get in. any poor person from any country trying to come here to 'feed there family' gets a big ** you, in order to protect public assistance programs for those legally here. why should we look the other way or make exceptions because someone is from a country that allows for them to walk inside our borders? most less fortunate people around the globe would love the opportunity to come here. your grandmother came during an open immigration period & followed the law. yes?...stupid fvckin comparison there steveo

Bullsh!t. I know of at least one Filipina who married a Kano, was physically abused by the Kano and has been living off of government assistance for the last year and half while her case gets processed and she gets her Green Card (he never filed AOS). She has two children born as USC. I'm sure you've read many cases of Fil/Am courtships gone bust and if the Kano happens to be an a$hole, which seems to happen quite frequently, the Filipina is left without any support.

The poor Mexican isn't coming here looking for a handout because he knows he won't qualify for any welfare. What he came here for was economic opportunity, which is no different than the those highly educated immigrants coming here to look for work. These poor Mexicans will work jobs that would make most gringos die of exhaustion. But really, we're talking mostly past tense because the last 4 or 5 years, there has been a dramatic decline. In fact, many are leaving because the economic opportunities aren't there any more.

Edited October 21, 2011 by DFH

[Dakine10 5,452]

imo, illegal aliens should be dropped just past the border, about 11 miles out from the texas coastline.

There are places where they can walk back, it's not so deep there, in the Gulf of Mexico.

Run for office then Darnell. You'll be surpised how fast that kind of opinion changes when you're bought and sold like every other politician.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

That piece of paper gives me the right to be here legally. And in the end, it does make a world of difference. It means that I have gone through the hoops and I have followed the laws of the land in which I intend to live. I think that gives me enough right to speak on the issue.

A century and a half ago, blacks were held in slavery in the US. So what? What happened a century or so ago is quite irrelevant in the modern context.

I have no time for the 'poor hardworking Mexican trying to feed his family' argument, frankly. I am from India and I have seen poverty on a level that is unbelievable, indescribable. Again. So friggin' what? Being poor gives you the right to break laws? What about the millions of Thais, Indians and Bangladeshis who would give their right arm to be in the US? What about them? They don't get a chance? No, life is not fair.

America is a country of immigrants. Embracing legal immigrants has always been the American way. Embracing illegal immigrants who seem to spit on the laws of the land (and for the most part, have no affiliation to the country, apart from working illegally so that they can send money across the border) seems to fly smack dab in the face of logic.

Legal schmegal. Yes we have laws in this country but we don't just blindly follow laws - laws which were written by imperfect humans. We have history of asinine laws in this country and the basic principle behind laws is to protect the citizenry. So what exactly is being endangered by giving those who've been here illegally for several years, a legal avenue to become legitimate? We have states releasing thousands of convicted felons because they can't afford to keep them in prison.

What a jacked up society that we want punish those who are willing to work hard while giving the truly lawless a free pass. Asinine.

[sachinky 465]

What caste were you in again?

Irrelevant to the issue. We're discussing US politics, not the politics within the Indian caste-system.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Irrelevant to the issue. We're discussing US politics, not the politics within the Indian caste-system.

And why do you only post about illegal immigration in the P & R forum again?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Irrelevant to the issue. We're discussing US politics, not the politics within the Indian caste-system.

It might be relevant if it is painting your views.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Bullsh!t.

i know this one guy from band camp....what ever dude. in that special case yes we need to help that person. she tried to follow the law & was in that position due to no fault of her own.

[dalegg 143]

Why? The Dream Act is for those who were brought here as children, have lived here most of their lives and just want to be legitimate, legal citizens. I'm baffled as to why this upsets some people. They are no more a burden to society than the immigrant spouses and children we've all brought here to the U.S.. The only difference is a goddam piece of paper.

Oh my God.

First of all, every bit of tuition that has been paid for my immigrant spouse has been paid for either directly out of her salary and mine (save except the fact that most of it will be covered out of Obama's tax credits). We did not receive grants from the government for any of it. All of her medical expenses are covered from our own private insurance. How the F can you say that she is just as much a burdon to tax payers in California as illegals? Seriously???

Second of all, if it makes you feel any better, I deplore Cal Grants for education for anyone- whether they are legal, illegal, or they are a naturally born nascar race car driving citizen. The fact that now they are going to illegals too just pushes me to the boiling point about them.

People take these grants, sit in classrooms for a month, and drop out. It wastes tax dollars and unnecassarily fills seats that my own kids (who are ineligible for grants) cannot get. Because I have children of this age and 3 people in my house who go to college I know of a few of their friends who have taken the grant money and done nothing with college, and all of them can vouch to the fact that half of the people in their classes aren't there by the end of the semester. If you were going to give these grants to truly exceptional students (4.0 GPA in honors classes) whose only problem with succeeding in College is that they can't afford it- then you know what? I don't have an issue, legal or illegal. But the grants are handed out indiscriminately based on income.

Where the hell do we get the idea that EVERYONE is entitled to a college education? Where do we get the idea that everyone NEEDS a college education to succeed and unless we get all these poor people into college our society is going to collapse? Guess what? I don't have a college education!!! I make over $100,000 a year. Am I not contributing to society? The whole thing is ludicris.

[sachinky 465]

And why do you only post about illegal immigration in the P & R forum again?

What? I rarely check what forum I am in. I click on the 'view new content' tab and if a topic title interests me then I view it and/or respond to it. Illegal immigration is one of my (political) pet-peeves (if it isn't apparent enough) and I learnt not to debate about religion a long time ago. A lot of the stuff I don't find compelling enough to read through all the poorly written posts. Plus, there's just too much bickering to sift through -- P+R feels like an guy's club/clique.

That said, I do read a ton of stuff on VJ but can only work up the requisite energy to respond to a few.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Oh my God.

First of all, every bit of tuition that has been paid for my immigrant spouse has been paid for either directly out of her salary and mine (save except the fact that most of it will be covered out of Obama's tax credits). We did not receive grants from the government for any of it. All of her medical expenses are covered from our own private insurance. How the F can you say that she is just as much a burdon to tax payers in California as illegals? Seriously???

Second of all, if it makes you feel any better, I deplore Cal Grants for education for anyone- whether they are legal, illegal, or they are a naturally born nascar race car driving citizen. The fact that now they are going to illegals too just pushes me to the boiling point about them.

People take these grants, sit in classrooms for a month, and drop out. It wastes tax dollars and unnecassarily fills seats that my own kids (who are ineligible for grants) cannot get. Because I have children of this age and 3 people in my house who go to college I know of a few of their friends who have taken the grant money and done nothing with college, and all of them can vouch to the fact that half of the people in their classes aren't there by the end of the semester. If you were going to give these grants to truly exceptional students (4.0 GPA in honors classes) whose only problem with succeeding in College is that they can't afford it- then you know what? I don't have an issue, legal or illegal. But the grants are handed out indiscriminately based on income.

Where the hell do we get the idea that EVERYONE is entitled to a college education? Where do we get the idea that everyone NEEDS a college education to succeed and unless we get all these poor people into college our society is going to collapse? Guess what? I don't have a college education!!! I make over $100,000 a year. Am I not contributing to society? The whole thing is ludicris.

You're missing my point. Whatever services there are available for your legal immigrant spouse aren't any less a burden to society than whatever help you believe undocumented citizens are getting. In fact, statistically, they pay income taxes, Medicare and Social Security taxes but don't collect on them. So what exactly are these people getting that isn't available to your legal immigrant spouse? Does the Dream Act of California give them any special privileges that your legal immigrant spouse doesn't have?

Edited October 21, 2011 by DFH