Teen uses "assault weapon" to shoot home invaders

[Kathryn41 3,205]

A number of posts containing personal attacks have been removed. You can argue your own respective positions but do not insult or make personal attacks again other posters. I may not have a gun but I do have a quick finger on the thread-ban button and will use it as required to 'keep the peace'.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Canada has low crime and Vermont is further North than parts of Canada

Its obviously too bloody cold to go out and do crime

No rape because the women look like moose and dress all bundled up like bag ladies

Canada is Sodom and Gommorah compared to Vermont. Quebec, 7 times less densely populated than Vermont, has three times the crime rate. So obviously being farther north is not the answer. Population density is not the answer. The women in Montreal are 28.9 times hotter than the women in Vermont (scientific study)

And you think making it more difficult to buy an Enfield would help? (Enfields are popular rifles in Canada, for no surprising reasons)

Edited November 19, 2011 by Gary and Alla

[luckytxn 2,265]

This happens often up in Houston. Many times an armed civilian has to use their Constitutional rights to protect themselves.

The mother of a teenage girl held hostage by home invaders early Friday has been implicated in the attempted break-in, where one of the attackers was shot by the girl's father, Harris County sheriff's officials confirmed.

Deanna Horn was charged with aggravated robbery after two armed men grabbed her 14-year-old daughter about 6:40 a.m. outside a home in the 9200 block of Woodland Oaks in northwest Harris County.

Sheriff's officials late Friday declined to say what Horn's alleged role was in the attempted home invasion, citing the investigation.

Sheriff's officials said Matthew Hendricks and another man grabbed the teenager at gunpoint shortly after she left home for school.

"They held a gun to her head and said, 'Open the door,' " said Christina Garza, with the Harris County Sheriff's Office.

The girl's father was inside the house and heard the commotion, Garza said. "He grabbed his gun and fired through the door."

He then went outside to confront the attackers.

"Hendricks was still holding on to the girl, saying he would kill her," Garza said.

The father then fired a second time, wounding Hendricks in the abdomen. He was taken toMemorial Hermann Hospital, where his condition wasn't known later Friday. He has been charged with aggravated robbery.

The teenager was described as "shaken up" by the ordeal but otherwise unharmed, investigators said.

Sheriff's detectives are continuing to search for the second attacker, who fled after the father fired through the front door.

Friday's incident was the second in as many days in which an area homeowner has opened fire and wounded an attacker during a home invasion.

On Thursday morning, a father and his 7-year-old son were wounded when the father exchanged gunfire with four to five men who rushed into his home in north Houston.

Houston police said the men followed a woman as she entered her home and forced their way inside. They ordered the woman and other family members to lie on the floor, but the boy ran down a hallway calling out for his father.

Police said the man came out of bedroom and exchanged gunfire with the attackers, who fled from the house.

Some of the men reportedly left in a tan or gold minivan they had driven to the house. Others ran.

Later, police found two of the attackers with gunshot wounds at LBJ General Hospital.

One was treated and released to police custody. The other is in critical condition.

Both are expected to be charged with aggravated robbery, officials said. Police are searching for the other gunmen.

[Ready to do it 101]

This is a great example of why guns are bad. In both examples where folks are trying to protect themselves, they ended up getting charged.

Bottom line... you shoot someone, you are going to go to jail for a very long time. I don't buy self-defense, etc. Actually, it's irrelevent. If you kill someone, murder is murder... ok, maybe it's also manslaughter. End of the day, you are going to jail and you have to live with what you have done for the rest of your life.

While I feel for the victims who were only trying to stand up for themselves, it's a shame that so many people have not educated themselves on the issue. In this day and age, someone is simply not going to EVER get away with pulling the trigger against another, regardless of the circumstances. I hope people can learn from this article, where "two" would be victims end up being the ones going to jail for trying to "protect" themselves with guns. It's time for civilians to quit trying to play vigilante and we need to burn all guns.

This happens often up in Houston. Many times an armed civilian has to use their Constitutional rights to protect themselves.

The mother of a teenage girl held hostage by home invaders early Friday has been implicated in the attempted break-in, where one of the attackers was shot by the girl's father, Harris County sheriff's officials confirmed.

Deanna Horn was charged with aggravated robbery after two armed men grabbed her 14-year-old daughter about 6:40 a.m. outside a home in the 9200 block of Woodland Oaks in northwest Harris County.[/size]

Sheriff's officials late Friday declined to say what Horn's alleged role was in the attempted home invasion, citing the investigation.

Sheriff's officials said Matthew Hendricks and another man grabbed the teenager at gunpoint shortly after she left home for school.

"They held a gun to her head and said, 'Open the door,' " said Christina Garza, with the Harris County Sheriff's Office.

The girl's father was inside the house and heard the commotion, Garza said. "He grabbed his gun and fired through the door."

He then went outside to confront the attackers.

"Hendricks was still holding on to the girl, saying he would kill her," Garza said.

The father then fired a second time, wounding Hendricks in the abdomen. He was taken toMemorial Hermann Hospital, where his condition wasn't known later Friday. He has been charged with aggravated robbery.

The teenager was described as "shaken up" by the ordeal but otherwise unharmed, investigators said.

Sheriff's detectives are continuing to search for the second attacker, who fled after the father fired through the front door.

Friday's incident was the second in as many days in which an area homeowner has opened fire and wounded an attacker during a home invasion.

On Thursday morning, a father and his 7-year-old son were wounded when the father exchanged gunfire with four to five men who rushed into his home in north Houston.

Houston police said the men followed a woman as she entered her home and forced their way inside. They ordered the woman and other family members to lie on the floor, but the boy ran down a hallway calling out for his father.

Police said the man came out of bedroom and exchanged gunfire with the attackers, who fled from the house.

Some of the men reportedly left in a tan or gold minivan they had driven to the house. Others ran.

Later, police found two of the attackers with gunshot wounds at LBJ General Hospital.

One was treated and released to police custody. The other is in critical condition.

Both are expected to be charged with aggravated robbery, officials said. Police are searching for the other gunmen.

[Captain Oates 911]

It comes down to culture

The USA is a gun culture and if gun murders fell to zero, many inadequates would still want to strut around with a gun imagining they are a cowboy or a famous gunslinger

The whole thing is a boy's fantasy and the worst aspect is that it make people aggressive and surly and mistrusting of others - by that I mean that it magnifies the tendency

I read some of the gun forums on line and I am appalled by the low IQ mountain boys who say things like " I always shoot coyotes in the guts to make them suffer because of what they do to lambs"

I meant the mentality of some of these gun owners is such that they really shouldn't be in charge of guns.

The UK system where a police office comes to your house and sees what you are like is safer for all. Responsible people still get their guns but the alcoholics and mentally unstable and people who fight in the town pub on a Saturday night - they are all weeded out whether they have convictions or not.

They can still appeal to the court for their right to bear arms under English law (There is such a right)

and if the police officer is wrong then they get their firearms certificate. The safeguards for liberty are there but its a much more civilized way of making sure people have their freedom and safety at the same time

The culture in the US is all about "ME" and that's why gun ownership trumps other people's lives and safety

and people take the attitude that if some irresponsible person gets a gun and kills someone, then as long as it isn't them - then so what

That's a deplorable attitude to take and uncaring - which is ironic in what is virtually a theocracy based on " christian values"

[luckytxn 2,265]

This is a great example of why guns are bad. In both examples where folks are trying to protect themselves, they ended up getting charged.

Bottom line... you shoot someone, you are going to go to jail for a very long time. I don't buy self-defense, etc. Actually, it's irrelevent. If you kill someone, murder is murder... ok, maybe it's also manslaughter. End of the day, you are going to jail and you have to live with what you have done for the rest of your life.

While I feel for the victims who were only trying to stand up for themselves, it's a shame that so many people have not educated themselves on the issue. In this day and age, someone is simply not going to EVER get away with pulling the trigger against another, regardless of the circumstances. I hope people can learn from this article, where "two" would be victims end up being the ones going to jail for trying to "protect" themselves with guns. It's time for civilians to quit trying to play vigilante and we need to burn all guns.

Maybe reread so your comprehension can improve. No victim is going to jail. It said that the perpetrators were going to be charged and are in jail. The victims get to go home.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Maybe reread so your comprehension can improve. No victim is going to jail. It said that the perpetrators were going to be charged and are in jail. The victims get to go home.

He/she was trolling so hard that they failed to fully read the article you posted.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

This is a great example of why guns are bad. In both examples where folks are trying to protect themselves, they ended up getting charged.

Bottom line... you shoot someone, you are going to go to jail for a very long time. I don't buy self-defense, etc. Actually, it's irrelevent. If you kill someone, murder is murder... ok, maybe it's also manslaughter. End of the day, you are going to jail and you have to live with what you have done for the rest of your life.

While I feel for the victims who were only trying to stand up for themselves, it's a shame that so many people have not educated themselves on the issue. In this day and age, someone is simply not going to EVER get away with pulling the trigger against another, regardless of the circumstances. I hope people can learn from this article, where "two" would be victims end up being the ones going to jail for trying to "protect" themselves with guns. It's time for civilians to quit trying to play vigilante and we need to burn all guns.

Aggravated robbery? I think there has been a typo here. In any case, this is Texas. It is the process in Texas to charge someone with a "crime" (usually aggravated battery, not robbery) and then send the case to the Grand Jury. County porsecutors rarely make the decision to prosecute or not. Prosecuting being very different than "charging".

Typically the grand jury in Texas will "no bill" the person and that is that.

The full circle would be to update us on

1. What was his bail, typicallt it is his own signature

2. What is the outcome of the grand jury hearing

I anxiously await you dong that. I do not anticipate it happening though.

I lived in Texas the first 30 years of my life and can name you many many cases where this happend and they were all "no billed" You are jumping to conclusions and there has been no conclusion yet. I actually served on a jury that reviewed one of these cases, the man was charged with MURDER and we no billed him. He witnessed a man beating his wife in the parking lot of the Irving Mall in Irving TX. He was carrying a .44 magnum revolver under his shirt. He walked up to the man as he beat his wife against their car, pressed the muzzle of the .44 magnum into the right shoulder of the man and fired one shot. The bullet traversed the man's chest, came out the other arm and pulverized his lungs and heart into an unrecognizable mass of pink gruel. Yeah, he was dead. The dead man had a restraining order against him and had been charged with spousal abuse and was out on bail for aggravated battery himself.

we went to the jury room after two witnesses testified for a total of about 8 minutes. Looked around at each other and said "good riddance". All in favor? It took longer to elect a jury forearm and we came back with the decision in about 15 minutes. But the man that did the shooting WAS charged with homicide, 2nd degree. He was not prosecuted. Big difference.

I agree that anyone that shoots anyone needs to have that shooting reviewed by a jury of their peers, just as police do.

49 states have concealed carry laws and ALL have had reductions in crime after implmenting the laws and NONE have repealed them.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Maybe reread so your comprehension can improve. No victim is going to jail. It said that the perpetrators were going to be charged and are in jail. The victims get to go home.

Correct, however in Texas it is common to "charge" someone to take it to the jury. There has to be a "charge" for the jury to review to determine if there is enough evidence to prosecute. SOME county attorneys will make the decision not to even charge the man or take it to a jury as it would be a waste of time.

Many times the person is charged and released on his own recognizance so they do not "go to jail", it is an administrative process.

I would think it is about impossible to get someone prosecuted for this in Texas and there is no way you would find 12 people to convict him. Be serious!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It comes down to culture

The USA is a gun culture and if gun murders fell to zero, many inadequates would still want to strut around with a gun imagining they are a cowboy or a famous gunslinger

The whole thing is a boy's fantasy and the worst aspect is that it make people aggressive and surly and mistrusting of others - by that I mean that it magnifies the tendency

I read some of the gun forums on line and I am appalled by the low IQ mountain boys who say things like " I always shoot coyotes in the guts to make them suffer because of what they do to lambs"

I meant the mentality of some of these gun owners is such that they really shouldn't be in charge of guns.

The UK system where a police office comes to your house and sees what you are like is safer for all. Responsible people still get their guns but the alcoholics and mentally unstable and people who fight in the town pub on a Saturday night - they are all weeded out whether they have convictions or not.

They can still appeal to the court for their right to bear arms under English law (There is such a right)

and if the police officer is wrong then they get their firearms certificate. The safeguards for liberty are there but its a much more civilized way of making sure people have their freedom and safety at the same time

The culture in the US is all about "ME" and that's why gun ownership trumps other people's lives and safety

and people take the attitude that if some irresponsible person gets a gun and kills someone, then as long as it isn't them - then so what

That's a deplorable attitude to take and uncaring - which is ironic in what is virtually a theocracy based on " christian values"

I was still awaiting some answers from you but you ignore those and simply have made it impossible to carry on an adult conversation. I will have to ignore further posts from you. You join an exclusive club of only one other member.

I actually have no problem with debate and opposing views and even enjoy a lively conversation but it has to be an intelligent one of differing ideas. When that is impossible, there is no further point.

[sara..... 371]

oh for the love of mike.....many of us have guns legally.....dont want to be shot? dont enter our home illegally

end of story

just my opinion

sara

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

oh for the love of mike.....many of us have guns legally.....dont want to be shot? dont enter our home illegally

end of story

just my opinion

sara

Too easy Sarah.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

oh for the love of mike.....many of us have guns legally.....dont want to be shot? dont enter our home illegally

end of story

just my opinion

sara

[tmma 467]

I wasn't insinuating that I would want the police to come over and be violent either. My intention would be for the police to come over and arrest someone. If I knew there would be some sort of shootout I would not call them.

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You would not call them?

So basically, in the occurance of a home invasion, rape, beating, shooting you won't defend yourself, or your family nor will you call the authorities to do it for you?

edit: I just noticed your user name---and it's wildly ironic.

Edited November 20, 2011 by tmma

[Captain Oates 911]

I was still awaiting some answers from you but you ignore those and simply have made it impossible to carry on an adult conversation. I will have to ignore further posts from you. You join an exclusive club of only one other member.

I actually have no problem with debate and opposing views and even enjoy a lively conversation but it has to be an intelligent one of differing ideas. When that is impossible, there is no further point.

You may be surprised to learn that I actually have a life apart from VJ and I am not available to answer posts within a 30 second window.

There are so many republican gun slinging dinosaurs to swat that I cant always get round to them all quickly. They are a minority of the population but a vocal majority on VJ

Actually, I think I will sell some more of my guns because the gun nuts and extreme right wingers make me nauseous, and anything I can do to differentiate myself would be good for morale

I shall return (MacArthur Battle of the Philippines 20th March 1942)