Teen uses "assault weapon" to shoot home invaders

[Captain Oates 911]

The different states/laws are one of the things that make this country great. There are 50 different countrys (so to speak) that have the same language, culture, and military protection, with laws that supposedly meet the needs of the people in that particular area. Of course where I live is an exception. I wish the peninsula would break off from the respective states and form it's own state of DelMarVa.

If you don't like where you are move to another state that more likely meets your needs.

As far as guns in Washington or Baltimore--the crime is commited by, get this, CRIMINALS. Laws don't matter to them. They will get guns anyway and the rest of us would suffer the consiquenses if the guns are not allowed. In reality, the US is a pretty safe place to be. Many legal gun owning citizens live in rural areas were crime is unheard of. Of course, being such a large and populated country you will get the crazies and crime that constantly fill the news to make it seem different.

And in regards to Mexico. I guess it's the evil USA's fault that all the drug dealing Mexican criminals are illigally bringing guns from wherever they can get them---from other criminals illigally selling them. Give me a break.

I am afraid you are wrong on very many counts

The US is the gun murder and gun crime capital of the whole of the developed world by a factor of many and so you are totally inaccurate

I don't want to exchange statistics because I cant be arsed , but the fact that the US is still the wild west and the number one gun crime country in the whole 1st world is common knowledge everywhere except in the US

any I mean by a factor of MANY

The criminals in the UK for instance get very few guns and gun murder is tiny as a % compared to the US

I spent 6 years in the police there including criminal investigation, in a metropolitan area of 2 million, and I was involved with one gun death in all that time - and it wasn't even in my area

The US is a hotbed of gun murder !

Edited November 19, 2011 by Ashud Cocoa

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I am afraid you are wrong on very many counts

The US is the gun murder and gun crime capital of the whole of the developed world by a factor of many and so you are totally inaccurate

I don't want to exchange statistics because I cant be arsed , but the fact that the US is still the wild west and the number one gun crime country in the whole 1st world is common knowledge everywhere except in the US

any I mean by a factor of MANY

The criminals in the UK for instance get very few guns and gun murder is tiny as a % compared to the US

I spent 6 years in the police there including criminal investigation, in a metropolitan area of 2 million, and I was involved with one gun death in all that time - and it wasn't even in my area

The US is a hotbed of gun murder !

Even more reason that legal gun owners here should always be wary of bad people with guns.

[Captain Oates 911]

Even more reason that legal gun owners here should always be wary of bad people with guns.

I got off the plane having ticked 'NO' to "are you a terrorist coming here to overthrow the government of the USA"

I then went into a gunshop and bought an AR-15 with 3x 30 round magazines - I had to tick a box to say "NO I have not been certified mentally ill"

Then I walked out with a key to the range for $65

I went to the range, let myself in with the key, then tried to figure out how the gun worked

That is too lax. It's wrong. It's irresponsible to make it so easy.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I am afraid you are wrong on very many counts

The US is the gun murder and gun crime capital of the whole of the developed world by a factor of many and so you are totally inaccurate

I don't want to exchange statistics because I cant be arsed , but the fact that the US is still the wild west and the number one gun crime country in the whole 1st world is common knowledge everywhere except in the US

any I mean by a factor of MANY

The criminals in the UK for instance get very few guns and gun murder is tiny as a % compared to the US

I spent 6 years in the police there including criminal investigation, in a metropolitan area of 2 million, and I was involved with one gun death in all that time - and it wasn't even in my area

The US is a hotbed of gun murder !

we like to be number 1.

Skewed numbers. What is the murder rate comparison? (not just gun crime, the guy down the street from my brother in Henley on Thames was killed with a broken snooker cue) Why does it vary between states? Why is it lowest in the US where people have the most guns?

The UK murder rate is much higher than Vermont's. Why?

what does this have to do with somone killing a home invader?

[Captain Oates 911]

we like to be number 1.

Skewed numbers. What is the murder rate comparison? (not just gun crime, the guy down the street from my brother in Henley on Thames was killed with a broken snooker cue) Why does it vary between states? Why is it lowest in the US where people have the most guns?

The UK murder rate is much higher than Vermont's. Why?

what does this have to do with somone killing a home invader?

Are you suggesting that the Mexican drug gangs would arm themselves with snooker cues and continue their reign of terror if they could not get full auto Ar-15's ?

Why do the marines use guns if snooker cues are so awesome ?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I got off the plane having ticked 'NO' to "are you a terrorist coming here to overthrow the government of the USA"

I then went into a gunshop and bought an AR-15 with 3x 30 round magazines - I had to tick a box to say "NO I have not been certified mentally ill"

Then I walked out with a key to the range for $65

I went to the range, let myself in with the key, then tried to figure out how the gun worked

That is too lax. It's wrong. It's irresponsible to make it so easy.

You did not get off a plane and buy a gun. You need to be an LPR to buy a gun but you can get gun training before then. You also need some form of state ID and your LPR card to pass the background check (in addition to checking the box) So you were here long enough to get a green card AND a drivers license and did not get any fireamr training when you intended to buy a firearm? Why?

Your description sounds cute and suits your purpose but simply is not possible unless you violated the law.

Who was irresponsible? The government, or YOU? Why did you not seek training before buying a gun? If you KNEW it was irresponsible (you are an adult you should know) then why did you do it.

Had you been born and raised here you may have known more about guns, there is a much better chance of it. I was. I was issued an assault rifle (M14) by my high school to compete on the rifle team

It is hard to fathom all this claimed experience working with the police and you do not know how an AR15 works? Did you read the directions even?

And after all that...what bad came of what you did? was someone killed? Injured? We have a very low rate of firearms accidents here comparatively. You are imagining things again.

Frankly, your little tales are quite incredible, actually, when compared to facts.

Edited November 19, 2011 by Gary and Alla

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Are you suggesting that the Mexican drug gangs would arm themselves with snooker cues and continue their reign of terror if they could not get full auto Ar-15's ?

Why do the marines use guns if snooker cues are so awesome ?

Not at all and with Obama giving them more than 2000 assault rifles, why would they?

I am saying that MURDER rate is not the same as "gun crime" I do not know about you but I do not take comfort in people murdered with snooker cues. "Oh thank God he used a snooker cue and not a gun!"

can you answer the other questions? Or shall we divert to silly things?

Edited November 19, 2011 by Gary and Alla

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

"Claimed experience " eh ? Are you so blindingly ignorant that you don't know UK police are not armed ?

Make you a deal. If you confirm you just said that UK police "are not armed" I will make an exception to my usual practice and post some links. OK?

[Captain Oates 911]

Make you a deal. If you confirm you just said that UK police "are not armed" I will make an exception to my usual practice and post some links. OK?

The UK Police are not armed. Of course there are specialist SWAT type teams available - but if you ever manage to get out of your state under your own steam - you will see hundreds of police walking the streets and they are not armed.

I was sent into a hay loft at a farm to search for a man who had blown a night watchman's head off 1 hour previously and 1 mile away. I was not armed when I went up the ladder and looked behind the bales of hay.

6 months ago I bought a Lee Enfield 303 from a man in Puyallup Washington. We met outside a jewelers shop. He got the rifle out. The customers inside looked at each other. I gave him $200 and put the rifle in my trunk. He drove off

That was legal. That was too lax and this country is irresponsible to allow that.

It has to change

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

The UK Police are not armed. Of course there are specialist SWAT type teams available - but if you ever manage to get out of your state under your own steam - you will see hundreds of police walking the streets and they are not armed.

I was sent into a hay loft at a farm to search for a man who had blown a night watchman's head off 1 hour previously and 1 mile away. I was not armed when I went up the ladder and looked behind the bales of hay.

6 months ago I bought a Lee Enfield 303 from a man in Puyallup Washington. We met outside a jewelers shop. He got the rifle out. The customers inside looked at each other. I gave him $200 and put the rifle in my trunk. He drove off

That was legal. That was too lax and this country is irresponsible to allow that.

It has to change

My brother lived in Henley on Thames for four years, I visited him often as I was in Ukraine at the time and went there on my holidays. I saw police with guns, most do not, it is true, the average "Bobby" walking the street does not. At any gathering of police I saw there were several that had guns.

How did the Police shoot the terrorist in the head in the London subway? Were they not UK police?

[Captain Oates 911]

My brother lived in Henley on Thames for four years, I visited him often as I was in Ukraine at the time and went there on my holidays. I saw police with guns, most do not, it is true, the average "Bobby" walking the street does not. At any gathering of police I saw there were several that had guns.

How did the Police shoot the terrorist in the head in the London subway? Were they not UK police?

When a police officer shoots someone in the head on a train, they are part of an elite anti terrorism or SWAT team

If you go in and out of Heathrow you will see specialist anti terrorism officers with Heckler and Koch guns

A very tiny number of police have access to weapons which usually have to be signed out under special orders..

Many Police go through a 30 year career and never see a gun or a gun shot victim.

I was a coroners officer for 2 years and dealt with dead bodies every morning. I used to wheel them out of the mortuary at 6am and help the pathologist weigh their brains and hearts etc. I got so used to it I ate my sandwich off the corps' chest. I never saw a gunshot victim in all that time

You have no idea what a horrible place the USA is when it comes to gun murders. Someone who lives on a farm in Ohio won't see it, but it's spectacularly bad overall.

Many parts of the 1st world go on quite serenely without the fear that is part of inner city life in the US

Edited November 19, 2011 by Ashud Cocoa

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

When a police officer shoots someone in the head on a train, they are part of an elite anti terrorism or SWAT team

If you go in and out of Heathrow you will see specialist anti terrorism officers with Heckler and Koch guns

A very tiny number of police have access to weapons which usually have to be signed out under special orders..

Many Police go through a 30 year career and never see a gun or a gun shot victim.

I was a coroners officer for 2 years and dealt with dead bodies every morning. I used to wheel them out of the mortuary at 6am and help the pathologist weigh their brains and hearts etc. I got so used to it I ate my sandwich off the corps' chest. I never saw a gunshot victim in all that time

You have no idea what a horrible place the USA is when it comes to gun murders. Someone who lives on a farm in Ohio won't see it, but it's spectacularly bad overall.

Many parts of the 1st world go on quite serenely without the fear that is part of inner city life in the US

so then you are retracting your stateent that "UK police are not armed", correct?

For the record, I would be in favor of our police being disarmed. We should minimize firearms in the hands of the government.

[Captain Oates 911]

so then you are retracting your stateent that "UK police are not armed", correct?

For the record, I would be in favor of our police being disarmed. We should minimize firearms in the hands of the government.

Well nobody really thought that the UK government didn't have access to a 22 single shot pistol did they ?

Of course I meant 'generally' and generally - and overwhelmingly they are not available

They have an unspoken contract with criminals that the police will not be armed and so criminals need not be armed.

It works.

Put yourself in the mind of a criminal. If you know the police are not armed and the householder is not armed AND that the penalties for you being armed are massive - why bother bringing a gun ?

UK criminals are not particularly bright but even they can figure out its not worth it.

If most American citizens went there and saw how it works, they would come back to the US and get down on their knees and pray that the US became like the UK as far as guns are concerned.

At least they would if they were logical - but the US gun culture is such that citizens would rather see their kids and parents and spouse slaughtered than give up their guns. I find that strange, but foreigners are strange.

The US military is a government organization paid for out of taxes - do you want it disbanded ?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

You have no idea what a horrible place the USA is when it comes to gun murders. Someone who lives on a farm in Ohio won't see it, but it's spectacularly bad overall.

Many parts of the 1st world go on quite serenely without the fear that is part of inner city life in the US

Since there are guns on farms in Ohio and there are guns everywhere in Vermont and we have spectacularly good (low) firearms murder rates, then there must be something else going on in these inner cities. If it were guns, Vermont would be the leading murder capital, probably followed by some rural farm area in Ohio as number 2.

But it isn't. So what is the REAL problem? I stand by the fact that it is because we allow anyone to carry firearms that we have low crime. If it is something else...do tell. Please.

[Captain Oates 911]

Since there are guns on farms in Ohio and there are guns everywhere in Vermont and we have spectacularly good (low) firearms murder rates, then there must be something else going on in these inner cities. If it were guns, Vermont would be the leading murder capital, probably followed by some rural farm area in Ohio as number 2.

But it isn't. So what is the REAL problem? I stand by the fact that it is because we allow anyone to carry firearms that we have low crime. If it is something else...do tell. Please.

Canada has low crime and Vermont is further North than parts of Canada

Its obviously too bloody cold to go out and do crime

No rape because the women look like moose and dress all bundled up like bag ladies