Teen uses "assault weapon" to shoot home invaders

[Captain Oates 911]

oh for the love of mike.....many of us have guns legally.....dont want to be shot? dont enter our home illegally

end of story

just my opinion

sara

If you think the story ends with brains all over your kitchen and blood in your carpet, you are wrong.

A wink and a smile from the sheriff, they cart the mangled corpse out and you go back to watching American idol- that's not what happens

You wouldn't like what happens and there are big costs - emotionally, legally, financially and many other ways

[sara..... 371]

If you think the story ends with brains all over your kitchen and blood in your carpet, you are wrong.

A wink and a smile from the sheriff, they cart the mangled corpse out and you go back to watching American idol- that's not what happens

You wouldn't like what happens and there are big costs - emotionally, legally, financially and many other ways

first i have no use for the show american idol......second.....we were taught in the class we had to take for concealed weapon when it was justifiable to use our weapon.....im not an idiot ......im a mature adult that values what? MY LIFE end of story

sara

[Captain Oates 911]

first i have no use for the show american idol......second.....we were taught in the class we had to take for concealed weapon when it was justifiable to use our weapon.....im not an idiot ......im a mature adult that values what? MY LIFE end of story

sara

A bit simplistic if you don't mind me saying so - and a bit simplistic if you do mind me saying so.

My wife did the class too but they can't give you classes in how to have 60 years experience of life and to imagine what follows these actions and what else can be a factor

When gabby giffords was shot, a citizen pulled his gun and he was almost shot - mistaking him for the perp

Pulling a gun can end your life as quickly as it can save it

What makes you think you will win the gun fight anyway ? If they have a sawn off shotgun and you have a 9mm, there is every chance that you will end up dead and there is more chance of that if you pull your gun

It isn't like the movies

[sara..... 371]

A bit simplistic if you don't mind me saying so - and a bit simplistic if you do mind me saying so.

My wife did the class too but they can't give you classes in how to have 60 years experience of life and to imagine what follows these actions and what else can be a factor

When gabby giffords was shot, a citizen pulled his gun and he was almost shot - mistaking him for the perp

Pulling a gun can end your life as quickly as it can save it

What makes you think you will win the gun fight anyway ? If they have a sawn off shotgun and you have a 9mm, there is every chance that you will end up dead and there is more chance of that if you pull your gun

It isn't like the movies

Good God man give it up! I look at things as they should be for me..... nobody says i would win but i have a better chance at survival.... what is right for me may not be right for you or those that you love.....anyone that owns any kind of fire arm knows that the last choice should always be to take someones life with it........

im not some girl that took a course on self protection that has never had any experience with a weapon..we are a family that hunts we live in the country there are many reasons for a gun other than protecting our self from the two legged animal

the concealed weapon permit is for when we are not in our home ..in our state you don't need a concealed weapon permit to carry a hand gun if its visible and not hidden but because of my size any jacket covers anything i would carry...

if an intruder came into our home he or she would probably not be looking at a hand gun in any of our hands but some with a lot more power.....it takes two hours in most instances for a police man to answer any emergency call any call we make to the police goes thru to the county there are not many that patrol a large area

again what is best for us may not be best for you.........no reason to thump me about it wont change anything

sara

[Captain Oates 911]

Good God man give it up! I look at things as they should be for me..... nobody says i would win but i have a better chance at survival.... what is right for me may not be right for you or those that you love.....anyone that owns any kind of fire arm knows that the last choice should always be to take someones life with it........

im not some girl that took a course on self protection that has never had any experience with a weapon..we are a family that hunts we live in the country there are many reasons for a gun other than protecting our self from the two legged animal

the concealed weapon permit is for when we are not in our home ..in our state you don't need a concealed weapon permit to carry a hand gun if its visible and not hidden but because of my size any jacket covers anything i would carry...

if an intruder came into our home he or she would probably not be looking at a hand gun in any of our hands but some with a lot more power.....it takes two hours in most instances for a police man to answer any emergency call any call we make to the police goes thru to the county there are not many that patrol a large area

again what is best for us may not be best for you.........no reason to thump me about it wont change anything

sara

I have an Ar-15 5.65mm rifle with 3 x 30 round mags and one of them is always smacked into the rifle - so I can appreciate that you feel more secure in your remote location

However, I am forever trying to bring people down to earth about what an armed incident is really like and that pulling a gun can be a greater risk than not pulling one, and being robbed of ones wallet is not the end of the world

There are plenty (mostly young men) on the internet who are frightened to death of having their pride dented by having their wallet stolen and think a gun fight whether they win it or lose it is in some way a better option

More mature minds and most women say " take it" and know they have got a lot better better bargain than any of the alternatives

My wife's mother has been robbed at gun point twice - one time she had a revolver shoved up her nose.

She is out by two wallets with a few dollars in them and that's that

That is far, far far better than if she was covered in blood with a screaming wounded guy writhing all over her feet or if she had lost a gun fight. Either outcome is horrible. They don't just drop down dead

After the fight anyone would gladly hand over a thousand dollars to set the clock back.

When you think about it, anyone who would start a gun fight to save a wallet, is simply not mature enough to have a gun

[sara..... 371]

I have an Ar-15 5.65mm rifle with 3 x 30 round mags and one of them is always smacked into the rifle - so I can appreciate that you feel more secure in your remote location

However, I am forever trying to bring people down to earth about what an armed incident is really like and that pulling a gun can be a greater risk than not pulling one, and being robbed of ones wallet is not the end of the world

There are plenty (mostly young men) on the internet who are frightened to death of having their pride dented by having their wallet stolen and think a gun fight whether they win it or lose it is in some way a better option

More mature minds and most women say " take it" and know they have got a lot better better bargain than any of the alternatives

My wife's mother has been robbed at gun point twice - one time she had a revolver shoved up her nose.

She is out by two wallets with a few dollars in them and that's that

That is far, far far better than if she was covered in blood with a screaming wounded guy writhing all over her feet or if she had lost a gun fight. Either outcome is horrible. They don't just drop down dead

After the fight anyone would gladly hand over a thousand dollars to set the clock back.

When you think about it, anyone who would start a gun fight to save a wallet, is simply not mature enough to have a gun

Im not talking about wallets

sara

[Captain Oates 911]

Im not talking about wallets

sara

What else have you got worth getting killed for ?

[sara..... 371]

What else have you got worth getting killed for ?

there are many things in this world that are worth more than money or materialistic things........i have a little sister that went mental because she was raped.....will she ever be normal? we dont know .......that sir is worth fighting for and having a gun for

sara

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

A bit simplistic if you don't mind me saying so - and a bit simplistic if you do mind me saying so.

My wife did the class too but they can't give you classes in how to have 60 years experience of life and to imagine what follows these actions and what else can be a factor

When gabby giffords was shot, a citizen pulled his gun and he was almost shot - mistaking him for the perp

Pulling a gun can end your life as quickly as it can save it

What makes you think you will win the gun fight anyway ? If they have a sawn off shotgun and you have a 9mm, there is every chance that you will end up dead and there is more chance of that if you pull your gun

It isn't like the movies

It's a chance all gun owners take. It's a choice that we as adult US citizens are allowed by right. If someone chooses not to own a gun that's their choice, if they choose otherwise...again that's their choice. It's all about choice.

[Leatherneck 693]

I have an Ar-15 5.65mm rifle with 3 x 30 round mags and one of them is always smacked into the rifle - so I can appreciate that you feel more secure in your remote location

However, I am forever trying to bring people down to earth about what an armed incident is really like and that pulling a gun can be a greater risk than not pulling one, and being robbed of ones wallet is not the end of the world

There are plenty (mostly young men) on the internet who are frightened to death of having their pride dented by having their wallet stolen and think a gun fight whether they win it or lose it is in some way a better option

More mature minds and most women say " take it" and know they have got a lot better better bargain than any of the alternatives

My wife's mother has been robbed at gun point twice - one time she had a revolver shoved up her nose.

She is out by two wallets with a few dollars in them and that's that

That is far, far far better than if she was covered in blood with a screaming wounded guy writhing all over her feet or if she had lost a gun fight. Either outcome is horrible. They don't just drop down dead

After the fight anyone would gladly hand over a thousand dollars to set the clock back.

When you think about it, anyone who would start a gun fight to save a wallet, is simply not mature enough to have a gun

That really is a matter of your opinion, you might take the simplistic view it is saving a wallet, the victim might feel a lot differently at that moment. You have no idea when a punk pulls a weapon on you if his intents are to take only your wallet and be on his merry way, take your life or both, now do you?

So your fairy tale dust about just giving up your wallet might not pan out, and it doesn't in many cases. Have you no clue of the many times store owners and other folks that were unfortunate to find themselves on the business end of a firearm in the hands of a thug, ended up shot after complying with all demands?

So if you want to hand over your wallet, then you are free to do so, but that might not be the decision some other person might make nor the chance they may be willing to take. So to throw out a blanket statement like "anyone who would start a gun fight to save a wallet, is simply not mature enough to have a gun" is quite arrogant and condescending.

Last time I checked, armed robbery is still a (serious) crime, for which you are free to stand and defend yourself. You're certainly free to say what you would or would not have done in a situation, but when and how one defends himself/herself is not subject to your judgement.

If a person carrying concealed reaches for the money in his/her pocket, they might decide to hand over the cash or produce their own 'heat' to deal with the threat. That is a judgement call for the victim to make, not anyone else.

[Captain Oates 911]

That really is a matter of your opinion, you might take the simplistic view it is saving a wallet, the victim might feel a lot differently at that moment. You have no idea when a punk pulls a weapon on you if his intents are to take only your wallet and be on his merry way, take your life or both, now do you?

So your fairy tale dust about just giving up your wallet might not pan out, and it doesn't in many cases. Have you no clue of the many times store owners and other folks that were unfortunate to find themselves on the business end of a firearm in the hands of a thug, ended up shot after complying with all demands?

So if you want to hand over your wallet, then you are free to do so, but that might not be the decision some other person might make nor the chance they may be willing to take. So to throw out a blanket statement like "anyone who would start a gun fight to save a wallet, is simply not mature enough to have a gun" is quite arrogant and condescending.

Last time I checked, armed robbery is still a (serious) crime, for which you are free to stand and defend yourself. You're certainly free to say what you would or would not have done in a situation, but when and how one defends himself/herself is not subject to your judgement.

If a person carrying concealed reaches for the money in his/her pocket, they might decide to hand over the cash or produce their own 'heat' to deal with the threat. That is a judgement call for the victim to make, not anyone else.

My opinion is at least as good as yours and much better in my opinion.

My mother in law allowed herself to be robbed twice and lost a few dollars

That isn't a fairy tale and it is valid tactic which worked - so you are WRONG

The number of unopposed stick ups which result in a murder are tiny and not worth the risk of a gun fight

...and if anyone is arrogant round here, its you with your bulldog picture trying to make out like you are tough or something. In real life, people's scariness is in inverse proportion to their threatening tattoos

They get those because they are scared.

If you a want a hit-man - don't get the guy with the menacing scar - get the one who gave him it

[Leatherneck 693]

My opinion is at least as good as yours and much better in my opinion.

My mother in law allowed herself to be robbed twice and lost a few dollars

That isn't a fairy tale and it is valid tactic which worked - so you are WRONG

The number of unopposed stick ups which result in a murder are tiny and not worth the risk of a gun fight

...and if anyone is arrogant round here, its you with your bulldog picture trying to make out like you are tough or something. In real life, people's scariness is in inverse proportion to their threatening tattoos

They get those because they are scared.

If you a want a hit-man - don't get the guy with the menacing scar - get the one who gave him it

So it worked for your MIL, great! Glad she survived. But that doesn't mean others should allow the same to happen to them.

It is "fairy tale dust" when you state "anyone who would start a gun fight to save a wallet, is simply not mature enough to have a gun." The person looking down the barrel of a firearm gets to determine how best to deal with that situation, be it hand over the wallet or stand his/her ground and fight, thus removing the prep from the gene pool.

How another lawfully armed individual reacts to having a weapon stuck in his/her face is not subject to your Chicken Little judgement.

No sir, I've never had such an attitude of being tough. FYI, the "bulldog picture" is a depiction of the U.S. Marine Corps Mascot, which is an English bulldog.

[Captain Oates 911]

So it worked for your MIL, great! Glad she survived. But that doesn't mean others should allow the same to happen to them.

It is "fairy tale dust" when you state "anyone who would start a gun fight to save a wallet, is simply not mature enough to have a gun." The person looking down the barrel of a firearm gets to determine how best to deal with that situation, be it hand over the wallet or stand his/her ground and fight, thus removing the prep from the gene pool.

How another lawfully armed individual reacts to having a weapon stuck in his/her face is not subject to your Chicken Little judgement.

No sir, I've never had such an attitude of being tough. FYI, the "bulldog picture" is a depiction of the U.S. Marine Corps Mascot, which is an English bulldog.

Let's examine this a bit deeper.

When the owner of a wallet is faced with a gun, what is their motive to try and kill the robber ?

Is it to:

A Save the wallet

B Remove the person from the gene pool because this is their big opportunity to kill a black man and get away with it

C macho it up so their pride doesn't get hurt

D Do a civic duty by protecting the next wallet owner from the robbers depredations

E Save their own lives

I would suggest that only E is worth getting into a gun fight over and the chances of a street robber actually having a motive to kill you is pretty rare. Too rare. What would be their motive to kill you ? They want the wallet

The advice of police departments is to hand over the wallet because they know the statistics, and the statistics say that ON AVERAGE, your chances of either getting hurt or getting into jail yourself, are massively increased if you decide to engage in a gun fight - and that doesn't even mention the chances of a bystander being hurt by flying bullets from either you or the robber

If you end up blinded or in jail, you will spend every day wishing you had handed the wallet over and even if it all pans out perfectly, you will still suffer PTSD in your nightmares of his teeth and eyeballs splatted against your face and in your mouth

Give em the wallet - buy a new one from walmart

[slim 1,530]

How about just the simple ideal, "I refuse to be a victim?"

In the US, we have that right.

[Captain Oates 911]

How about just the simple ideal, "I refuse to be a victim?"

In the US, we have that right.

Point is that if the robber is shot and you go through a year of witness calls and investigations, then you are made a victim in that you will be having a really hard time

I think the aftermath of any shooting is most disagreeable for all involved - and that's even if we win the fight

My mother in law lost 2 wallets and that was the limit of her victimhood. Anyone who has pulled a gun and got into a gun fight would be willing to swap the price of a wallet for what they went through after, even if it turned out alright in the end - and that's an 'if'

So pulling a gun and getting into a gun fight can actually make us a victim of subsequent nasty events, trips to the cop shop, court appearances, coroners, journalists, even if we 'win'

Saying to the guy "take it and good luck" involves a call to the cops, an insurance claim - finish

The alternative has an unknown outcome and WILL be worse and a real pain to deal with - whatever happens

Our victimhood and our "really bad day" is already assured whether we pull the gun or not but is likely to be worse in a gun fight than out of one

Edited November 22, 2011 by Ashud Cocoa