Fiance did not get visa b/c of insufficient evidence

[RICARDO4EVA2 195]

Please read what Gary/Alla has stated and understand the difference between pettioning for a visa application guidelines and the guideines that the consular uses to issues a visa. Here is his statement "There is NO LAW that says you only have to meet once. That is for the PETITION it is NOT for the visa. For the visa you must convince them you have a realtionship that is NOT established for immigration benefits. There is no specific requirements to do that. It is your job to have "enough" evidence, whatever the CO determines is enough."

You're right and I hope they get it. U can have 10 visits been married for years.. Yet that still couldn't be enough to convince bonafide... Not to mention just one visit.

[Kengux 3]

I'm so sorry to hear about you case... I will provide you with what u could do to overcome this obstacle.

Since you stated that the CO denied it based on enough evidence, i'll like to tell you to..

1 . Attach many photos of you together.. Photos can be up to 200copies with family members of your fiance included and not just both of u.

2. Include photos that shows evidence of engagement party and engagement ring with family members, since most of them will not likely be present in USA when the wedding shall take place.

3. Print tons of emails, chats and phn logs.. I have more than 800copies of emails, chats ready for my interview and still printing daily.

4. Make another visit to your fiance.

5. Pray, pray and pray. Put all request and petitions into God's hand, for HE alone can grant requests and can touch any CO's heart to approve the visa.

Goodluck to all of us...

[naijaboy 16]

They definitely think your marriage is fake. So, they'll probably send your petition back to USCIS for a review which could really take any amount of time. Sucks for you!

insensitive

[4clife 0]

Look, these one visit a year, is very hard for the CO to believe that you'll have a true relationship. You are from Jamaica, so it seems that you would be visiting more often if your relationship is that of two people who are madly in love and looking to spend the rest of their lives together. You have the income and you are not burden with children, so there do not seems to be an obstaculars in your way from visiting the love of your life.

You'll burden of proof does seems alittle weak.

What people don't know are that when I came to the US I had family issues. In 2003 I reconnected with him, I graduated from high, I went to Jamaica 2003 for an entire month, I went to college wasn't working at the time then started working part time, 14 hrs every 2 weeks, graduated in 2007, got a job in the mental health field in 2007 and at the time it was paying 22,000, in 2009 the job title change and salary increase to 35K.

Edited October 15, 2011 by 4clife

[kennym 275]

What people don't know are that when I came to the US I had family issues. In 2003 I reconnected with him, I graduated from high, I went to Jamaica 2003 for an entire month, I went to college wasn't working at the time then started working part time, 14 hrs every 2 weeks, graduated in 2007, got a job in the mental health field in 2007 and at the time it was paying 22,000, in 2009 the job title change and salary increase to 35K.

What people don't know are that when I came to the US I had family issues. In 2003 I reconnected with him, I graduated from high, I went to Jamaica 2003 for an entire month, I went to college wasn't working at the time then started working part 14 hrs every 2 weeks, graduated in 2007, got a job in the mental health field in 2007 and at the time it was paying 22,000, in 2009 the job title change and salary increase to 35K.

The reasons for why you didn't visit isnt the point,

the point is; what kind of relationship can develop with only one visit in 2 years? CO would think of only 2 possible answers..

a: this relationship isnt really grounded...

or

b: it's for the purpose of immigration benefits...

The thing you have to remember is; CO's dont need to have a great reason, in fact, they really dont need any reason at all, but you can certainly overcome this hurdle by showing overwhelming evidense of how you guys are unseparable, or have made great sacrifices to be together..

[4clife 0]

4clife did he say what questions they asked him??..did he know all the info abt you??...thats crazy, the law says you only need to show proof of meeting once. i would love to know wht they were going by as not enough!!

Embassy Questions that was been asked

First he went to the window and hand them the docs and there they asked him to write his and my name and sign his name.

Who is Carla? My fiance

He picked 2 of the 10 pics and asked where were they taken? At the church and engagement (he gave the name of the places)

Do you have family in the US? No

Does your fiancé have family in JA? No

Did you ever travel? No

How many times your fiance came to JA? 3

When did you engage?2010

Did you buy a ring? Yes. The answer was obvious in one of the photos I took this year when I went back.

He said the guy said, I do not have enough evidence to give you a visa. I am going to send your file back to the U.S.

[4clife 0]

The reasons for why you didn't visit isnt the point,

the point is; what kind of relationship can develop with only one visit in 2 years? CO would think of only 2 possible answers..

a: this relationship isnt really grounded...

or

b: it's for the purpose of immigration benefits...

The thing you have to remember is; CO's dont need to have a great reason, in fact, they really dont need any reason at all, but you can certainly overcome this hurdle by showing overwhelming evidense of how you guys are unseparable, or have made great sacrifices to be together..

Unfortunately we did not get the opportunity to do so

[kennym 275]

He said the guy said, I do not have enough evidence to give you a visa. I am going to send your file back to the U.S.

You know, just from the surface, it seems your denial was un-fair.. I wouldnt know if there were other red-flags in your case, only you or your fiancee, would know.. If you feel there has been an in-justice, you should contact the US representative in your area..

It would seem there is more going on than we know..

Was it discussed during the interview, if they had an issue with the number of visits?

Edited October 15, 2011 by kennym

[4clife 0]

My fiancee was approved in Jamiaca and they didnt take any evidence from her regarding the relationship because everything they ask her she answers perfectly, so i dont think it has so much to do with evidence and more to do with answering questions accurately and in some form of depth. Examples would be How did you meat my girl didnt just say at a restaurant she told a story of what we did over a 3 day period. Some say dont say to much but when it comes to certain questions i believe some details are needed and not to be cut and dry just my opinion.

I think that could have contribute to him bot getting it. I was telling him to give them a lot of info when they ask you the question and someone else was saying just answer what they ask you and that is exactly what he did.

[4clife 0]

Could he explain to the CO why they only had physical contact once a year?

Since reconnecting, we spoke just about everyday. I would by two different cards a 45 mins one time connect or loss all the mins and I called him on 15 mins call to make sure he's available so I can call him on the 45 mins. He would call me for 30 mins or longer depends on the card he buy. The 3 months phone record showed all that.

[4clife 0]

Could he explain to the CO why they only had physical contact once a year?

Also, the job I have only gives their employee 5 personal days and 5 vacation days

[NY_BX 397]

What people don't know are that when I came to the US I had family issues. In 2003 I reconnected with him, I graduated from high, I went to Jamaica 2003 for an entire month, I went to college wasn't working at the time then started working part time, 14 hrs every 2 weeks, graduated in 2007, got a job in the mental health field in 2007 and at the time it was paying 22,000, in 2009 the job title change and salary increase to 35K.

The CO can't careless about this, except for the affidavit of support. These are excuses that s/he doesn't need to hear. What they need is proof. So, where is it? Pictures, emails, chat logs, proof of your visits, letters from friends and family, phone bills and etc? Did he bring all that to the interview? Did you submit all these items with your petition?

Sorry if I sound harsh, but I think everyone here is trying to help you overcome this.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

What people don't know are that when I came to the US I had family issues. In 2003 I reconnected with him, I graduated from high, I went to Jamaica 2003 for an entire month, I went to college wasn't working at the time then started working part time, 14 hrs every 2 weeks, graduated in 2007, got a job in the mental health field in 2007 and at the time it was paying 22,000, in 2009 the job title change and salary increase to 35K.

Of course they don;t know that. And apparently you didn;t tell them. Why? And they are not going to ask. It is YOUR job to convince them the relationship is not established for immigration benefits. You did not. If you cannot visit then you have to have other evidence to make up for that.

There IS NO specific number of visits required. The person interviewed after your fiance may have been approved with only one visis because they had a LOT of other evidence. There is no "goal line", no "list of things" you need.

Whatever you presented, you needed MORE.

I would file a new petition and make an effort to gather MORE information documenting your relationship. That means visits, emails, letters and cards, telephone records for the entiore time you have known each other.

If you cannot visit each other, then say so in a letter and explain why. Attach it to your evidence.

You also need to ask your fiance if there is anything else you may not be aware of about him. How many visas has he applied for in the past? what types? Has anyone else tried to file a fiance visa for him? ALL of these things will make a difference.

While a visitor visa denial will make no difference, in itself, if he has been applying for visa after visa after visa and getting denied and then VOILA!, he has a fiancee in the US, that is very suspicious.

I am just saying you would not necessarily know that.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Also, the job I have only gives their employee 5 personal days and 5 vacation days

So what? It is Jamaica! You can get there in a few hours for a three day weekend. Take time off without pay.

I had only 1 week's paid vacation during our visa processing yet I visted Ukraine 6 times in 6 months. I took time off without pay.

This is not designed to be convenient for you, sorry to say.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It seems that in the few months I have been on here, I have seen Jamaica deny several. They must be very picky.

Jamaica is treated as a high fraud consulate, so yes, they are "picky"

The number of times you "need" to visit varies greatly. I know of many many many couple in Russia and Ukraine with only one visit and they were not asked even a single question at the interview...about anything. I mean NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

Try that in other consulates and you are doomed to failure.

They judge on the body of evidence presented, ALL the evidence presented. Taken as a whole they then determine if they believe the realtionship is for immigration benefits or not. That's it.

Should you be scared if you only visited once? Maybe. What consulate? What other evidence do you have?