This (illegal) American life

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Mississippi is chock-a-block full of chicken houses and chicken processing plants. Of course it is also chock-a-block full of illegal aliens from Mexico and Latin America. Who wouldn't think illegal aliens aren't everywhere in the USA after decades of non-enforcement of immigration and work authorization laws. It's like a cancer rotting the country.

[Kang 22]

Just to digress a bit, has anyone here heard of Amerasians?

So much talk about immigration, no talk about America's "left behind children"

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[luckytxn 2,265]

Just to digress a bit, has anyone here heard of Amerasians?

So much talk about immigration, no talk about America's "left behind children"

:bonk: :bonk:

Actually yes. I was stationed in Korea for almost 2 years and by accident came across an orphanage ran by Catholic nuns that were mainly all Ameriasians. I was shocked to learn about them and their fate. Eventually after starting small I was able to help get them aid by finally getting our chaplain to accompany me one day, He pretty much took over and soon we had benefits and such and did what we could. It wasn't a lot but it was something. When I eventually rotated out the aid was going strong and hope it lasted awhile. I still think of them say a pray for them. Their life was going to be a hard one just for the fact that they were half breeds. They would never be accepted as a real citizen and have a proper life there., It was no fault of their own. Shame.

[TBoneTX 46,443]

I was able to help get them aid

Bless you, dude, si man.

[Ready to do it 101]

Kang- I really don't know much about this issue. I assume you speak of children born to Asian women with USC fathers? Is there an issue preventing the child from coming to the US? If the father is a USC than the child is a USC as well, so I'm not sure I understand the issue very well or what you are referring to.

Just to digress a bit, has anyone here heard of Amerasians?

So much talk about immigration, no talk about America's "left behind children"

:bonk: :bonk:

[Kang 22]

Kang- I really don't know much about this issue. I assume you speak of children born to Asian women with USC fathers? Is there an issue preventing the child from coming to the US? If the father is a USC than the child is a USC as well, so I'm not sure I understand the issue very well or what you are referring to.

Not just "USC fathers". For a "general overview", they would not exist if not for US intervention is Asia.

Apparently, this issue is long swept under the rug by the government and "immigration reform advocates" do not practically care about them. In general.

[Kang 22]

Actually yes. I was stationed in Korea for almost 2 years and by accident came across an orphanage ran by Catholic nuns that were mainly all Ameriasians. I was shocked to learn about them and their fate. Eventually after starting small I was able to help get them aid by finally getting our chaplain to accompany me one day, He pretty much took over and soon we had benefits and such and did what we could. It wasn't a lot but it was something. When I eventually rotated out the aid was going strong and hope it lasted awhile. I still think of them say a pray for them. Their life was going to be a hard one just for the fact that they were half breeds. They would never be accepted as a real citizen and have a proper life there., It was no fault of their own. Shame.

True much. The "Amerasian" Act" did not even do much in the 1980's. It was mostly Vietnamese Amerasians who benefited since they were the hot story back then. But little do people know that these "Amerasians" started existing right after the Spanish-American war. And the "Amerasian act" was short lived

In other words, many are left behind

Edited October 17, 2011 by Kang

[Kang 22]

Kang- I really don't know much about this issue. I assume you speak of children born to Asian women with USC fathers? Is there an issue preventing the child from coming to the US? If the father is a USC than the child is a USC as well, so I'm not sure I understand the issue very well or what you are referring to.

Pretty much. US citizenship laws are too restricting. Say that the father decides to take responsibility. The law prevents them so. No citizenship, no visa even if there is much evidence, even DNA evidence. IF the child has "aged out", no more citizenship.

Being born abroad to a USC father does not entitle the children to automatic US citizenship. Not only does the child have to meet the requirements, the fathers too! And not all state does legitimization (yet it is required to pass citizenship to the child)

[luckytxn 2,265]

Pretty much. US citizenship laws are too restricting. Say that the father decides to take responsibility. The law prevents them so. No citizenship, no visa even if there is much evidence, even DNA evidence. IF the child has "aged out", no more citizenship.

Being born abroad to a USC father does not entitle the children to automatic US citizenship. Not only does the child have to meet the requirements, the fathers too! And not all state does legitimization (yet it is required to pass citizenship to the child)

You are right that U.S. laws are restricting but the problem as I saw it when I was overseas and witnessed it was that the Asian countries have a huge racist problem. It is all and good when the child was born of Asian blood from both parents but to deny a kid being a citizen and to be part of the social system of that country because of no fault of their own they have blood of a white or black in them is bad. Most of the kids in that orphanage had a mother but she abandoned that kid so that she can at least have a life. She was being ostracized because of the kid so she abandoned the kid and moved to a town that didn't know she had a mixed blood kid.

What is the U.S. to do when every mixed blood Asian in the world says they are the kids of an American and want citizenship? Just take them at their word that the father was American and admit them? It is more complex than this. The father would need to step up to the plate and be very proactive and get a DNA test done to verify and then start the process to get them recognized and a visa and citizenship. We all know that back when I was talking about this and found out about this happening that DNA tests had not been invented yet. Over half the kids were the kids of mothers that were prostitutes. The mothers had no idea really who the father was. Many were the result of a union of a mother who thought the father was going to marry them and promised to do so. The father would tell them that he is doing the paperwork for them and may have even married them in that country. Of course many times it was a lie and she would find out that the husband was gone and rotated back. Seen that play many times.

I have tried to figure out what the U.S. could do more of but I am stymied. There is a lot of issues here that the U.S. has no business butting their noses into. Of course the mothers should be more wise and use protection and even wait to have kids until on American soil. The men need to stop playing a game where they are affecting lives so horribly. The Asian countries need to realize these kids are not at fault and bring them into the social fabric. When the kids grow up and what they have to do to survive is heart breaking.

[luckytxn 2,265]

Bless you, dude, si man.

I did little. The Chaplain was amazing. Father Michael will always be a saint in my eyes.

[Kang 22]

You are right that U.S. laws are restricting but the problem as I saw it when I was overseas and witnessed it was that the Asian countries have a huge racist problem. It is all and good when the child was born of Asian blood from both parents but to deny a kid being a citizen and to be part of the social system of that country because of no fault of their own they have blood of a white or black in them is bad. Most of the kids in that orphanage had a mother but she abandoned that kid so that she can at least have a life. She was being ostracized because of the kid so she abandoned the kid and moved to a town that didn't know she had a mixed blood kid.

What is the U.S. to do when every mixed blood Asian in the world says they are the kids of an American and want citizenship? Just take them at their word that the father was American and admit them? It is more complex than this. The father would need to step up to the plate and be very proactive and get a DNA test done to verify and then start the process to get them recognized and a visa and citizenship. We all know that back when I was talking about this and found out about this happening that DNA tests had not been invented yet. Over half the kids were the kids of mothers that were prostitutes. The mothers had no idea really who the father was. Many were the result of a union of a mother who thought the father was going to marry them and promised to do so. The father would tell them that he is doing the paperwork for them and may have even married them in that country. Of course many times it was a lie and she would find out that the husband was gone and rotated back. Seen that play many times.

I have tried to figure out what the U.S. could do more of but I am stymied. There is a lot of issues here that the U.S. has no business butting their noses into. Of course the mothers should be more wise and use protection and even wait to have kids until on American soil. The men need to stop playing a game where they are affecting lives so horribly. The Asian countries need to realize these kids are not at fault and bring them into the social fabric. When the kids grow up and what they have to do to survive is heart breaking.

As an Asian myself, I agree that there is racism in Asia, but you are not allowed to talk about it especially if you are Westerner, you will be accused as "racist" which compounds the problem.

However, we cannot deny, no much how it is denied that for most part, the problem stems from REPEATED US intervention.

In addition to that, you are right about some being children of prostitutes. These people would likely not know their fathers and can never claim US citizenship. However, those who have rich information(I have seen Amerasians who even have their father's SSN -- the very reason they were able to trace their fathers) about their father cannot claim US citizenship either (even if their father is trying to transmit the citizenship to them) or if ever they qualify, the have to spend tens of thousands of dollars.

I have seen these cases. My friend who was in the Navy has been looking for his daughter for 17 years. And with help of the organizations. When he found her, he couldn't spend much time with her because airfare to Asia isn't cheap and that he is getting old. He cannot pass his citizenship because his daughter has "aged out". Cannot get even just a tourist visa because she is from a "high fraud" country. I-130 is not a good option because since she is over 21 when he found her, it will take 10-20 years to get her a visa. My friend, who finds fathers, related to me that his father thought that signing his birth certificate will do (this was the time when information is not as easy to get by as these days and mode of communication is not easy) and that the US Embassy will find him if his son requests too. Only later did he know that it isn't that way. Legally, my friend is qualified for derivative citizenship. But the thing is, even if an applicant is qualified, consuls are likely to deny you. That is why you need to spend thousands of dollars for lawyers to go by it. My friend related a story exactly like that. One case he worked with, when the applicant first applied for US citizenship, she was denied. Now, when her father spent thousand of dollars (approximately $24,000) just to get his daughter derivative citizenship.

That being said, with all the amnesty slash "immigration reform" calls. No one is calling for the mess to be at least settled that the US government made in other countries. It's like the government has all the money and "reason" to ** up these countries but "no money" and "no reason" to help clean the mess left behind.

Folks, sadly, despite the US government running after deadbeat fathers, is the biggest deadbeat father out there.

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Edited October 17, 2011 by Kang

[Kang 22]

We tried bringing the cause to immigration and amnesty groups. Just in case maybe they will be touched and also urge the US government to do something. But hey, we really haven't heard from them.

Are you familiar with Jose Antonio Vargas, the illegal who came out of the closet ("pulitzer prize winner")? My friend contacted him and tried to make him aware of the Amerasian situation. All he said is "I am sorry, I did not know". Amazing! For a journalist, he does not have the drive to look into the issue. For someone who talks so much about the "broken immigration system", he does nothing to help these people rally their cause (which I believe is something related to all the immigration hot stuff nowadays).

Now, that leads me to the conclusion that most "immigration reform" groups aren't really for "repairing" the "broken immigration". They just want amnesty with all the free stuff that Obama wants to give. If they get what they want, they forget "immigration reform" and the ones who needed it. After all, where are the people who benefited from the Reagan Amnesty?

Edited October 17, 2011 by Kang

[Ready to do it 101]

While I won't necessarily say this line of thinking is correct, perhaps not much attention is given to these folks because they have 21 years to fix the issue. For example, all the immigration issues in the US and the issue of keeping families together for the most part revolves around the potential of current families in the US being torn apart... kids potentially 2, 5, 12 years old etc, losing their parents. That would be devastating.

Regarding the issues you are discussing, a USC has 21 years to petition. If they have not done so by the 21st birhtday (perhaps because they did not find their child until after the child's 21st birthday) perhaps it's assumed the child did not want to come or the parent did not want the child here. Regardless, it is a different situation. If the child has lived without their parent for 21 years and are now an adult the matter isn't as pressing and urgent as tearing apart families with kids that are minors.

I am in no way saying that the parent and child over 21 shouldn't be allowed to reunite. I'm simply thinking that perhaps it's just not on the US government's radar because they don't view it as a dire situation that would significantly impact one of their lives negatively. The impact is already done... they've lived apart for at least 21 years, so there is some merit to that.

We tried bringing the cause to immigration and amnesty groups. Just in case maybe they will be touched and also urge the US government to do something. But hey, we really haven't heard from them.

Are you familiar with Jose Antonio Vargas, the illegal who came out of the closet ("pulitzer prize winner")? My friend contacted him and tried to make him aware of the Amerasian situation. All he said is "I am sorry, I did not know". Amazing! For a journalist, he does not have the drive to look into the issue. For someone who talks so much about the "broken immigration system", he does nothing to help these people rally their cause (which I believe is something related to all the immigration hot stuff nowadays).

Now, that leads me to the conclusion that most "immigration reform" groups aren't really for "repairing" the "broken immigration". They just want amnesty with all the free stuff that Obama wants to give. If they get what they want, they forget "immigration reform" and the ones who needed it. After all, where are the people who benefited from the Reagan Amnesty?

[Kang 22]

If it took you 27 years to find ur chikd, would that reasoning be valid?

The amerasian issue can be traced back 100 years ago to the Spanish American war. It is more of swept under the rag than off the radar. And "immigration reform groups" likly see these folks as "competitors" than compatriots.

Try hearing their individual stories. Most just want to see their fathers before they croak

[luckytxn 2,265]

Please cry me a river. The problem goes way back before the Spanish-American war. There has always been camp followers since the beginning of recorded time. The first thing the natives do when we opened a camp is to open a ####### bar and usually followed by more of the same and then usually food places and then tailors to make clothing and then the trinket sellers. They all are there to try and separate the GI from his money. Most of the places in Asia though we have allies that are with us and they are from all over.

Right now many half breeds are being made because Thailand and the Philippines are thriving sex trades. Cambodia is the next up and coming sex market.