Of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%

[Leatherneck 693]

If you regard employment as voluntary along with whatever special conditions that are encompassed by that contract then union membership is not any different.

After a union muscles its way between employer and employee with rosey promises the business agents make to convince

a majority to let them in the door...you get a helluva lot of "special conditons" to deal with. A union is a whole different animal

that can complicate things...you get the union and the federal government to deal with. Now if you have god awful, butt-wipe management, then union talk will usually shake 'em up.

One being, if you are happy with the way things are in the work environment, but the union thugs want more of this and more of that which might lead to a break down in talks then on the strike vote, then strike. What choice do those that were perfectly happy have?

ZERO real choice but to walk and support the strike or work and be labeled an assortment of nasty adjectives.

Look, you like unions but I am not fond of them. No problem if private sector employees want a union, but big problem with unionized public sector employees.

I'm a self employeed entrepreneur, so glad not an issue I have to deal with again.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

After a union muscles its way between employer and employee with rosey promises the business agents make to convince

a majority to let them in the door...you get a helluva lot of "special conditons" to deal with. A union is a whole different animal

that can complicate things...you get the union and the federal government to deal with. Now if you have god awful, butt-wipe management, then union talk will usually shake 'em up.

One being, if you are happy with the way things are in the work environment, but the union thugs want more of this and more of that which might lead to a break down in talks then on the strike vote, then strike. What choice do those that were perfectly happy have?

ZERO real choice but to walk and support the strike or work and be labeled an assortment of nasty adjectives.

Look, you like unions but I am not fond of them. No problem if private sector employees want a union, but big problem with unionized public sector employees.

I'm a self employeed entrepreneur, so glad not an issue I have to deal with again.

Employees vote to have collective bargaining. For every story you have of abuse of unions, there are dozens more cases of abuse by employers.

You say you are a self employed entrepreneur - without you stating what exactly your business is, I would imagine that you deal with contracts, working for other entities or you are at least familiar with the concept. For example, if you ran an office, you might contract out the office machines - they would be supplied and maintained by an outside contractor. Unions act much in the same way - they enter a contract with a company with well defined parameters of employment. Unions gave us 40 hour work weeks, overtime, holiday, vacation and sick pay, health and retirement benefits. Over the last 25 years, I've worked under several unions - from the UFCW to the Teamsters, and the Cartoonist Union. Not once did I ever feel pressured by the union to act or behave a particular way. When I worked under the UFCW (in a right-to-work state), my employer was pressuring me to work off the clock. I was told that I could not have any overtime, but also told I must complete certain tasks before I could leave. It was bullsh!t because it was near impossible to get the tasks done in time. The union was made aware of this violation of not only the union contract but of labor laws.

Whatever impressions you have about unions sound like you just buy into the negative propaganda without personally experiencing what it is like to actually work under a union. And just like your employer, the union is only as good as its members. So if you've got a shady boss, you could have a shady union leader, although one fundamental difference - you vote for your union president, while you can't vote for your boss.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The only thing unions do around here is try to elect Democrats. Even the CTA will tell you, they are nothing more than an advocacy organization.

[mawilson 2,133]

The only thing unions do around here is try to elect Democrats. Even the CTA will tell you, they are nothing more than an advocacy organization.

They also force companies to move jobs overseas with their unreasonable demands.

[slim 1,530]

They also force companies to move jobs overseas with their unreasonable demands.

They're also the reason we don't have cheap automobiles and other goods.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

They also force companies to move jobs overseas with their unreasonable demands.

Many of the labor organizations are no longer interacting with employers, and are acting solely as expressed advocacy groups. That way they can expand their membership to include more than just employees within particular trades or professions.

[dalegg 143]

We both would not know what to call it.

yes, but we dare not speak its name.

By the way, I use to live in Garden Grove, off of Brookhurst & Stanton, near the 7-11 on the corner. Those were the days when I was so broke, I did not have a pot to pee in nor a window to throw it out of. I use to love some of those Korean and Vietnamese restaurants on Garden Grove Blvd.

You mean Brookhurst by the city of Stanton? I don't know of a Stanton Street in GG.

[Leatherneck 693]

yes, but we dare not speak its name.

And those Vietnamese seniors there in Garden Grove and Fountain Valley know all too well what that experience was like.

You mean Brookhurst by the city of Stanton? I don't know of a Stanton Street in GG.

Oops, you're right, I meant Stanford St. and Brookhurst. Just one block north of Garden Grove Blvd on Brookhurst, that 7-11

on the corner.

[Leatherneck 693]

The only thing unions do around here is try to elect Democrats. Even the CTA will tell you, they are nothing more than an advocacy organization.

the prison guard unionin CA., has the best dems campaign donations can buy.

[Leatherneck 693]

Employees vote to have collective bargaining. For every story you have of abuse of unions, there are dozens more cases of abuse by employers.

You say you are a self employed entrepreneur - without you stating what exactly your business is, I would imagine that you deal with contracts, working for other entities or you are at least familiar with the concept. For example, if you ran an office, you might contract out the office machines - they would be supplied and maintained by an outside contractor. Unions act much in the same way - they enter a contract with a company with well defined parameters of employment. Unions gave us 40 hour work weeks, overtime, holiday, vacation and sick pay, health and retirement benefits. Over the last 25 years, I've worked under several unions - from the UFCW to the Teamsters, and the Cartoonist Union. Not once did I ever feel pressured by the union to act or behave a particular way. When I worked under the UFCW (in a right-to-work state), my employer was pressuring me to work off the clock. I was told that I could not have any overtime, but also told I must complete certain tasks before I could leave. It was bullsh!t because it was near impossible to get the tasks done in time. The union was made aware of this violation of not only the union contract but of labor laws.

Whatever impressions you have about unions sound like you just buy into the negative propaganda without personally experiencing what it is like to actually work under a union. And just like your employer, the union is only as good as its members. So if you've got a shady boss, you could have a shady union leader, although one fundamental difference - you vote for your union president, while you can't vote for your boss.

No sir, I do not buy into anything. I have upclose and personal experience with unions (Teamsters Locals 848 & 952) over a 20 year period. Worst experience was getting knocked on my ####### (lost a new car and my apt.) financially when the company would not yield to the crazy union demands, they locked us out, sold part of the business and restructured the rest. Yeah the union sued and I got all of 2,200 bucks 5 years later. Positive experience (s) can not think of any. I never needed the shop steward or union help when I was an employee, I was never in any situation where the employer was demanding I do unethical or illegal things.

The union in it best days did ursher in some great changes for labor, I do not dispute that. Now you must admit, the unions of today and their goals or in no way like the unions of the past. Todays unions are about their own political power and the members are the dues paying pawns that finance this.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

No sir, I do not buy into anything. I have upclose and personal experience with unions (Teamsters Locals 848 & 952) over a 20 year period. Worst experience was getting knocked on my ####### (lost a new car and my apt.) financially when the company would not yield to the crazy union demands, they locked us out, sold part of the business and restructured the rest. Yeah the union sued and I got all of 2,200 bucks 5 years later. Positive experience (s) can not think of any. I never needed the shop steward or union help when I was an employee, I was never in any situation where the employer was demanding I do unethical or illegal things.

The union in it best days did ursher in some great changes for labor, I do not dispute that. Now you must admit, the unions of today and their goals or in no way like the unions of the past. Todays unions are about their own political power and the members are the dues paying pawns that finance this.

What were the demands by the union and do you mean that your union went on strike? This was in California? I don't remember which chapter of the Teamsters I worked under, but it was while working for Costco. Never once did I see a Teamster rep or have anyone talk to me. About the only thing I'd see were pamphlets left in the breakroom when there was an election coming up for the union president (Jim Hoffa at the time).

You are overgeneralizing when it comes to unions. They are just like any other entity - subject to abuse and corruption, but not by default any more than the kind of business you operate now. I'm sure working in the business world, you have met or know of some who skirt the laws. It happens all the time. Does that make business corrupt in general? Of course not. It's just the nature of human beings which is why we need laws and oversight.

Edited October 12, 2011 by DFH

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Oops, you're right, I meant Stanford St. and Brookhurst. Just one block north of Garden Grove Blvd on Brookhurst, that 7-11

on the corner.

Wasn't there a campaign many years ago to change the name of Garden Grove to New Saigon?

WARNING!!! NSFW!!! LANGUAGE!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6cYQf4h18

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Part II

WARNING!!! NSFW!!! LANGUAGE!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oloPHHyrgnI

[Leatherneck 693]

Wasn't there a campaign many years ago to change the name of Garden Grove to New Saigon?

WARNING!!! NSFW!!! LANGUAGE!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6cYQf4h18

I have no knowledge of any campaign to change the name of GG to New Siagon.

There is/or was a sign along the 22 fwy denoting "Little Siagon."

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

The unions did this, the unions did that. The unions forced the blood suckers to build plants in third world countries using child labor, blah, blah, blah...

What a bunch of tools. Seriously you fks think for one minute the unions forced NAFTA and plants in China and India? Seriously get a clue.

The unions have bailed out failing company's more than a few times by taking pay cuts and buying crappy stock options in a crappy company for the fact the blood sucking suits up top sucked the companies dry with bonuses and raises while engineering shoddy products compared to the Japs.

The suits run the media, it's the suits who got this country into more than one war for oil and gas, and it's the suits who are giving themselves bonuses and perks with US tax payer bail out money yet you tools still don't get the big picture.

How about this...for all you tools who think the unions are killing this country...give yourself a pay cut and donate 10% of all your income to your bosses salary. Then get on your knees and open wide when your your boss needs to get a nut. And remember your doing it for the rich...because they deserve it more than you. duh

Edited October 12, 2011 by Why_Me