Jerry Brown signs ban on open-carry handguns

[MyLittlePony 340]

Please elaborate further.

I don't break laws or never gone to jail so i am not worried.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

if that was the measuring stick used, married guys would never buy condoms

Zing!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

So I suppose you think fully automatic weapons and grenades/launchers should be covered under the 2nd amendment too?

They are. You realize they are legal to own, right?

I had a M1928 Thompson SMG until a few years ago and only sold it because someone offered me a price I could not refuse. Plus it was expensive to feed.

The NFA allows the ownership of registered automatic weapons and other "devices". These include short barreld shotguns and rifles, silencers, flamethrowers , anti aircraft guns, etc.

the funny thing is that true "assault rifles" are selctive fire, meaning they have automatic capability yet the "Assault weapons ban" only applied to semi-autos which are not even "assault weapons" to begin with! Plus it did not BAN anything since it was legal to own, buy, sell any so-called assault rifle made before the ban and the ones made after just had to change one or two cosmetic features that had nothing to do with function.

At any rate, obviously anti-civil rights people have no knowledge of firearms.

Good thing it doesn't matter what they think.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I looked up CCW for CA by county. Basically, if you don't live on the coast its fairly easy to get a permit. I used to live in Napa County for instance, and it sounds like you had a chance there. Areas inland it looks almost guaranteed.

and the odd thing is that these permits are valid statewide. So the guy living in San Jose can be denied a permit yet sitting next to him in the Dennys in Oakland is a guy from Rancho Mirage carrying a legally concealed handgun. THAT is the problem with discretionary permits.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

An occupation may put you at sufficient risk, like transporting valuable property frequently.

Like that of a diamond dealer or high end jewelry merchant.

Or my kids or myself or my wife?

You mean some numbskull will issue a permit so you can protect someone else's diamonds and cash but not your family?

You mean you have to ask? Beg?

How does one determine a bad neighborhood? what makes it bad? what keeps the bad from going to the good? What keeps it good?

####### how can you live in CA????????!!!!!!!!!!!

[MyLittlePony 340]

If you have a sub station down the street with 6 to 8 police cars you can tell what kind of neighborhood it is lol.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

California is the Hitler of states.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Please elaborate further.

[justashooter 430]

####### do you need body armor for? ####### does anyone outside of the military or law enforcement need it for?

####### do you need golf clubs for?

oh, that's right, you want golf clubs.

[slim 1,525]

It's important to remember that despite having body armor on, the perp in Seal Beach surrendered without resistance during a traffic stop. It was a non-issue in this case.

It's also important to remember that wearing body armor during the commission of a crime is already illegal. Are they going to make it more illegal? And since we're on the subject of "things that make it harder for law enforcement to take out the bad guys" why don't we post some stats about getaway vehicles. I'm pretty sure cars have allowed more perps to elude the boys than body armor.

Why doesn't Kalifornia just outlaw cars? Body armor is pretty heavy, I doubt the perp would get far without a new white pickup truck.

####### do you need body armor for

When the zombies attack, I'll be wearing mine.

When the ChiComs invade, it will come in handy.

When the Chicoms invade, I'll be wearing mine.

####### do you need body armor for? ####### does anyone outside of the military or law enforcement need it for?

The same reason people in the military or law enforcement need it - To increase the chances of survival when people shoot at you.

grenades are not used by anyone for the application of personal self defense.

Do you believe the 2nd Amendment is only for personal self defense?

The way I see it, we should have grenades and similar explosives, just like our forefathers had. That is the "arms" they were talking about.

So I suppose you think fully automatic weapons and grenades/launchers should be covered under the 2nd amendment too?

I think they are. If you look at the historical context of the second, our forebears were privately armed with "military-grade" weaponry and owned arms that included canons, mortars, and basically anything the military owned at the time. Even their ships were outfitted with guns that rivaled the navy's.

Interesting position.

For one thing you cannot commit a crime using body armor as a weapon. So if someone wants to go around wearing it, who is harmed?

On the other hand, if one's objection is that it could provide protection against being killed while committing a crime, then one is necessarily recognizing the efficacy of firearms in reducing crime.

Fine observation but really about as practical as wearing body armor to protect oneself from crime.

Body armor is not a weapon and cannot be used to inflict injury, so therefore is no deterrnet to crime. Concealed handguns ARE a deterent to crime while concealed body armor is not. The only criminal use of body armor would be to "cancel" the deterrent of concealed handguns.

There is a criminal use of body armor and that is to resist police or armed victims when they shoot at you. It's already illegal. We can't make it more illegal.

If they were really concerned about stopping folks who resisted and fled from police they'd ban automobiles.

I don't break laws or never gone to jail so i am not worried.

You sound like one of those guys who doesn't worry about the Patriot Act because you're not Muslim. "Oh, that'll never happen to me."

####### do you need golf clubs for?

oh, that's right, you want golf clubs.

Jay Leno was commenting on someone having 50 guns and that being "more guns than anyone would ever need." Jay Leno owns 50 cars.

[The_Dude 1,142]

It's important to remember that despite having body armor on, the perp in Seal Beach surrendered without resistance during a traffic stop. It was a non-issue in this case.

Six people would disagree that this is an important distinction. The man went into that shopping center, determined to kill, and wore body armor to make sure that he could kill his exwife, undeterred. You seem to mitigate his 6 murders with him surrendering. It doesn't. We're just lucky he wasn't like those North Hollywood guys 10 years ago.

It's also important to remember that wearing body armor during the commission of a crime is already illegal. Are they going to make it more illegal? And since we're on the subject of "things that make it harder for law enforcement to take out the bad guys" why don't we post some stats about getaway vehicles. I'm pretty sure cars have allowed more perps to elude the boys than body armor.

There is no practical use for body armor for civilians, none. It isn't covered by the 2nd amendment, and is federally banned for criminals. I think that needs to be expanded to everyone who is not military or a sworn law enforcement officer.

Why doesn't Kalifornia just outlaw cars? Body armor is pretty heavy, I doubt the perp would get far without a new white pickup truck.

Slim, that is nonsense and only makes you look like an imbecile trying to use that argument.

When the zombies attack, I'll be wearing mine.

Slim, this is why I keep telling you to read. If you had read the Zombie Survival Guide, you would know that zombies won't take up arms, as they have no brain to actually work any sort of mechanism.

When the Chicoms invade, I'll be wearing mine.

So are you saying that you own one? I think you would fall under the federal ban on owning one.

The same reason people in the military or law enforcement need it - To increase the chances of survival when people shoot at you.

Slim, unless you are planning on commiting a crime, or intentionally hosting some terrorist militia group siege situation, you don't need one. Follow the law, and be a good citizen. You could always move to Waziristan if you dont' like laws.

[MyLittlePony 340]

It's important to remember that despite having body armor on, the perp in Seal Beach surrendered without resistance during a traffic stop. It was a non-issue in this case.

It's also important to remember that wearing body armor during the commission of a crime is already illegal. Are they going to make it more illegal? And since we're on the subject of "things that make it harder for law enforcement to take out the bad guys" why don't we post some stats about getaway vehicles. I'm pretty sure cars have allowed more perps to elude the boys than body armor.

Why doesn't Kalifornia just outlaw cars? Body armor is pretty heavy, I doubt the perp would get far without a new white pickup truck.

When the zombies attack, I'll be wearing mine.

When the Chicoms invade, I'll be wearing mine.

The same reason people in the military or law enforcement need it - To increase the chances of survival when people shoot at you.

Do you believe the 2nd Amendment is only for personal self defense?

The way I see it, we should have grenades and similar explosives, just like our forefathers had. That is the "arms" they were talking about.

I think they are. If you look at the historical context of the second, our forebears were privately armed with "military-grade" weaponry and owned arms that included canons, mortars, and basically anything the military owned at the time. Even their ships were outfitted with guns that rivaled the navy's.

There is a criminal use of body armor and that is to resist police or armed victims when they shoot at you. It's already illegal. We can't make it more illegal.

If they were really concerned about stopping folks who resisted and fled from police they'd ban automobiles.

You sound like one of those guys who doesn't worry about the Patriot Act because you're not Muslim. "Oh, that'll never happen to me."

Jay Leno was commenting on someone having 50 guns and that being "more guns than anyone would ever need." Jay Leno owns 50 cars.

Yes so far i never had a bad experience with the law i cant say i never will i am not the type who attracts attention to self.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Do you believe the 2nd Amendment is only for personal self defense?

Under the original intent of the 2nd amendment? No, it's quite clear that it was intended for our national defense because we did not have a national standing army. We do now, and don't need weekend warriors who have had too many natty lights to defend our country. However, in light of the Heller decision, apparently, the original intent and context of the amendment is moot.

The way I see it, we should have grenades and similar explosives, just like our forefathers had. That is the "arms" they were talking about.

Slim, it is a good thing that you will never be a member of congress. Your inability to even grasp basic history and reading is profoundly shocking. Our forefathers had to take up arms as we were in a war with no standing army. That is no longer the case, you should update yourself.

I think they are. If you look at the historical context of the second, our forebears were privately armed with "military-grade" weaponry and owned arms that included canons, mortars, and basically anything the military owned at the time. Even their ships were outfitted with guns that rivaled the navy's.

Slim, again, reading comprehension would be a big help to you here. No, it isn't covered under the 2nd Amendment, and your fundamental misinterpretation of the history and context of the 2nd Amendment is shockingly puerile.

There is a criminal use of body armor and that is to resist police or armed victims when they shoot at you. It's already illegal. We can't make it more illegal.

There is no purpose for it other than to further a crime or evade capture. Is that why you want it?

If they were really concerned about stopping folks who resisted and fled from police they'd ban automobiles.

No they wouldn't, that is a stupid fallacy.

You sound like one of those guys who doesn't worry about the Patriot Act because you're not Muslim. "Oh, that'll never happen to me."

Slim, I'm actually a libertarian, although I am a civil libertarian and not one of those moron libertarians who want to legalize all drugs and abolish all government except for a mayors, sheriffs and local government, those people are borderline retarded.

Jay Leno was commenting on someone having 50 guns and that being "more guns than anyone would ever need." Jay Leno owns 50 cars.

So you take your cues from Jay Leno now? I don't, so what is your point here? Fifty cars is excessive, I agree.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

one post removed for tos violation. cease with labeling vj members as klan affiliated.

[The_Dude 1,142]

one post removed for tos violation. cease with labeling vj members as klan affiliated.

Thats bull Charles. So I take it calling someone a racist bigot is far worse than actually being a racist bigot and making statements as such?

Edited October 13, 2011 by The_Dude