Jerry Brown signs ban on open-carry handguns

[The_Dude 1,142]

The only two countries I can't go to are Canada and Australia, so no loss there.

As far as freedoms go...you live in The Peoples Republic of California so what freedoms are you speaking of?

Now don't let me find out you carried an exposed loaded hand gun outside of your door or I shall be forced to call 911.

Actually the EU has restrictions as well. I actually qualified for a ccw permit 5 years ago but declined to apply for it, I don't need to. LOL, i'll let you know next time I am transporting a weapon, you can call the authorities, but down here, you dial 9-Juan-Juan.

[Leatherneck 693]

I looked up CCW for CA by county. Basically, if you don't live on the coast its fairly easy to get a permit. I used to live in Napa County for instance, and it sounds like you had a chance there. Areas inland it looks almost guaranteed.

No sir it is not easy at all, it looks simple on paper but the reality is, it is not "fairly easy to get a permit." Some sheriff's in the inland counties might be easier to deal with. But a sheriff or a police chief is a politician in many regards, therefore more concerned with re-election or reappointment than a citizens desire to get a CCW.

Those big numbers of permits you see in some counties, I will be glad to tell you just who is almost a shoe-in to get a CCW.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Actually the EU has restrictions as well. I actually qualified for a ccw permit 5 years ago but declined to apply for it, I don't need to. LOL, i'll let you know next time I am transporting a weapon, you can call the authorities, but down here, you dial 9-Juan-Juan.

My dad has a ccw for Washington state, yet he can't go inside of Canada for a weapons charge in 1972 in Arizona that was dropped. The system is kind of screwed up imo.

As far as the EU goes, Iv'e never had a problem traveling any EU country. The biggest bs Iv'e ever encountered has been here in the US. Even the customs at Seatac was like the Gestapo compared to Russia and Belarus.

Edited October 12, 2011 by Why_Me

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

No sir it is not easy at all, it looks simple on paper but the reality is, it is not "fairly easy to get a permit." Some sheriff's in the inland counties might be easier to deal with. But a sheriff or a police chief is a politician in many regards, therefore more concerned with re-election or reappointment than a citizens desire to get a CCW.

Those big numbers of permits you see in some counties, I will be glad to tell you just who is almost a shoe-in to get a CCW.

Deputies and such?

[The_Dude 1,142]

No sir it is not easy at all, it looks simple on paper but the reality is, it is not "fairly easy to get a permit." Some sheriff's in the inland counties might be easier to deal with. But a sheriff or a police chief is a politician in many regards, therefore more concerned with re-election or reappointment than a citizens desire to get a CCW.

Those big numbers of permits you see in some counties, I will be glad to tell you just who is almost a shoe-in to get a CCW.

A sheriff is a political position, a police chief is not.

A CCW is not that hard to get really, as long as you can show a practical need for it. If your only reason for wanting to get one is to exercise your 2nd amendment rights or because you state you are in constant fear, but live in Laguna Beach, then no, you're not going to get one.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

A sheriff is a political position, a police chief is not.

A CCW is not that hard to get really, as long as you can show a practical need for it. If your only reason for wanting to get one is to exercise your 2nd amendment rights or because you state you are in constant fear, but live in Laguna Beach, then no, you're not going to get one.

Would a statement like this work?

I make late night deliveries in high crime areas where I must be outside alone for periods of time?

[Leatherneck 693]

A sheriff is a political position, a police chief is not.

A CCW is not that hard to get really, as long as you can show a practical need for it. If your only reason for wanting to get one is to exercise your 2nd amendment rights or because you state you are in constant fear, but live in Laguna Beach, then no, you're not going to get one.

Being a police chief is also about politics, if it is an appointed position by a mayor and your politics do not fly with his politics, you're chances of the appointment are slim. Besides, many of those former chiefs run for some office after retirement.

My point was some/many sheriffs and police chiefs are politicians in waiting.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Would a statement like this work?

I make late night deliveries in high crime areas where I must be outside alone for periods of time?

Your employer would have a say in whether or not you can be armed while you work.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Your employer would have a say in whether or not you can be armed while you work.

Lets assume I'm self employed.

[Leatherneck 693]

Deputies and such?

Yeah...

retired state judges

retired federal judges

retired deputies/cops

retired appellate judges

retired prosecutors

Various other former law enforcement persons

big campaign contributors/fund raisers

an occupation may put you at sufficient risk, like transporting valuable property frequently.

But for the average joe that can not demonstrate 'good cause' no way will you get a CCW.

It is the need to show 'good cause' that is the gotcha for denial.

[Leatherneck 693]

Lets assume I'm self employed.

An occupation may put you at sufficient risk, like transporting valuable property frequently.

Like that of a diamond dealer or high end jewelry merchant.

[Leatherneck 693]

A sheriff is a political position, a police chief is not.

A CCW is not that hard to get really, as long as you can show a practical need for it. If your only reason for wanting to get one is to exercise your 2nd amendment rights or because you state you are in constant fear, but live in Laguna Beach, then no, you're not going to get one.

And that is the point of contention among those seeking to exercise their 2nd Amendment right.

No other Constitutional right requires one to appeal to a government agency for permisson to

exercise that right.

So basically in California we have 1/2 of a 2nd Amendment right, you can "keep" but you may not "bear" arms.

Unless you get some sheriff or his designee to agree you have 'good cause.'

[slim 1,525]

Good point. When I started with the open carry movement early on, there were many encounters with bonehead, rude, arrogant cops. It was those in the open-carry movement exercising that unused right that bought it to light. Cops were not aware of open-carry, I witnessed many cops calling a supervisor that called the watch commander, that lead to calls to the DA's office, that informed the cop on the scene as to how to proceed. As in, inspect the weapon and make sure it is unloaded, then release the citizen.

It is the citizen that has to educated those in government at times about rights, even if they wish to ignore them.

What purpose does this serve? I get frustrated that we waste tax dollars to restrict our own rights. It makes no sense at all.

IMO police fear cameras and recording devices more than guns these days...I wonder why.

Police shouldn't fear guns or cameras.

A sheriff is a political position, a police chief is not.

A CCW is not that hard to get really, as long as you can show a practical need for it. If your only reason for wanting to get one is to exercise your 2nd amendment rights or because you state you are in constant fear, but live in Laguna Beach, then no, you're not going to get one.

Leatherneck sums up my point about the police chiefs. It too is a political position albeit not an elected one.

What is a practical purpose for having a gun on your person?

An occupation may put you at sufficient risk, like transporting valuable property frequently.

Like that of a diamond dealer or high end jewelry merchant.

Or just your standard, run of the mill soccer mom who drives a Honda.

There are more Hondas stolen in California than jewelry merchants held up. Isn't that sufficient enough?

[^_^ 5,021]

I said it does not snow in your building. Am I wrong?

You breathe air. Am I wrong?

[Leatherneck 693]

What purpose does this serve? I get frustrated that we waste tax dollars to restrict our own rights. It makes no sense at all.

Police shouldn't fear guns or cameras.

Leatherneck sums up my point about the police chiefs. It too is a political position albeit not an elected one.

What is a practical purpose for having a gun on your person?

Or just your standard, run of the mill soccer mom who drives a Honda.

There are more Hondas stolen in California than jewelry merchants held up. Isn't that sufficient enough?

If only the founding fathers could see the mess that has been made of the republic they bequeathed to us.

Outside of one showing 'good cause' then personal safety is of little concern to those with wide latitude to

determine what is or is not 'good cause.'