Birth of Baby - US or Philippines?

[TinTin and Samby 11]

All in all nice post TinTin and Samby I agree with almost everything you stated except #1.

I THINK? NOT SURE? There are instances where Philippine law stipulates a difference between a citizen by blood and a citizen by birth. A child born to a Philippine parent would be a citizen by blood not by birth, hence not a natural born citizen if born in the U.S.A.

Does anyone know if Philippine law stipulates a differnce in citizenship by blood or by soil birth? Where is it referenced?

Wyatt

Hi TRIPLEG. No difference in Philippine Law (or US Law for that matter). The definition of "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" is a Child who was conferred Citizenship at the instance of birth - per the laws of the country conferring citizenship. In the Philippines, these laws are based on BLOOD relations, NOT GEOGRAPHY (location of Birth). In the USA, the laws are based on BLOOD relations OR GEOGRAPHY (location of Birth). Any other type of Citizenship other than NATURAL BORN is conferred based on some subsequent ACT performed by the Child or its Legal Guardians (Parents, etc). The most common of these other types of citizenship whould be NATURALIZED CITIZENSHIP - a process (ACT) that many of us here at Visa Journey are familier with.

Warm Regards,

Samby

[AKteacher 104]

Thanks everybody for the great replies!

[Leatherneck 693]

The OP didn't say she's going through a c-section. She hasn't responded yet. Nonetheless, your post is very informative. She can now weigh more options so she her kid won't have a problem like Obama.

[Kang 22]

The OP didn't say she's going through a c-section. She hasn't responded yet. Nonetheless, your post is very informative. She can now weigh more options so she her kid won't have a problem like Obama.

Or John McCain (born in Panama)

[MI.PI 7]

All in all nice post TinTin and Samby I agree with almost everything you stated except #1.

I THINK? NOT SURE? There are instances where Philippine law stipulates a difference between a citizen by blood and a citizen by birth. A child born to a Philippine parent would be a citizen by blood not by birth, hence not a natural born citizen if born in the U.S.A.

Does anyone know if Philippine law stipulates a differnce in citizenship by blood or by soil birth? Where is it referenced?

Wyatt

Samby’s post is entirely correct.

There are two legal principles to acquire birthright citizenship:

1) Jus Sanguinis (right of blood) wherein citizenship is determined by being born of a parent/s who is a citizen of a nation; and

2) Jus Soli (right of soil) wherein citizenship is determined by the place of birth.

By definition in the Philippine Constitution, a natural-born Filipino citizen is someone who is a citizen from birth without having to perform any act to acquire Philippine citizenship.

The Philippines adheres to the principle of Jus Sanguinis or right of bood, thus, a child born of a Filipino parent automatically becomes a Filipino citizen regardless of the place of birth. (You can read more about it here: http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=206&Itemid=37 )

In the US, birthright citizenship is acquired through Jus Soli (right of soil). But it also recognizes the principle of the Jus Sanguinis (given certain conditions).

A child born in the US of a Filipino parent/s is considered to have dual citizenship, and is recognized to be such by both countries.

[reginakrys 33]

All in all nice post TinTin and Samby I agree with almost everything you stated except #1.

I THINK? NOT SURE? There are instances where Philippine law stipulates a difference between a citizen by blood and a citizen by birth. A child born to a Philippine parent would be a citizen by blood not by birth, hence not a natural born citizen if born in the U.S.A.

Does anyone know if Philippine law stipulates a differnce in citizenship by blood or by soil birth? Where is it referenced?

Wyatt

I believe the Philippines follows "jus sanguini", which means children inherit the citizenship of their parents. My husband has Filipino parents but was born in the USA, so he is still considered a Filipino citizen by virtue of jus sanguini.

Also, it doesn't automatically follow that because one of the child's parents is a USC, the child is a USC too. In our case, we were told that our daughter isn't automatically a USC because her dad (my husband) hasn't fulfilled the minimum residency requirements to pass on citizenship. I believe the USC has to have resided in the USA for at least a total of 5 years, 2 of which are after the age of 14.

That's just one condition, but there may be others I'm not aware of.

[AKteacher 104]

Well, we had our first child in the US. But now the only hospital near where my family lives has gone "out-of-network" from our insurance. So we're seriously considering having our second child in Philippines (Davao City). Questions:

1. What's the approximate cost of a normal delivery at a decent hospital (at or equivalent to Davao Doctor's)?

2. About how long does it take to get a US passport for the child so we can return to the US? In that past I have heard it can take many months just for the NSO to record & produce a birth certificate on NSO paper. Is there any way to get around this? Will the US Embassy accept anything othe than a B/C on NSO paper? Is there some sort of expedited service from NSO? Once we file the CRBA with the required documentation, how long does it take for the US Embassy to issue a passport?

Thanks for your help.

[SennaBrigante 92]

NSO birth cert is required. It can take up to 6 months for them to issue the bc but you can have them process it faster if you don't mind the extra stress and legwork.

After USEM approves the CRBA, printing can take 3-4 weeks.

[jxn 86]

Hi TRIPLEG. No difference in Philippine Law (or US Law for that matter). The definition of "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" is a Child who was conferred Citizenship at the instance of birth - per the laws of the country conferring citizenship. In the Philippines, these laws are based on BLOOD relations, NOT GEOGRAPHY (location of Birth). In the USA, the laws are based on BLOOD relations OR GEOGRAPHY (location of Birth). Any other type of Citizenship other than NATURAL BORN is conferred based on some subsequent ACT performed by the Child or its Legal Guardians (Parents, etc). The most common of these other types of citizenship whould be NATURALIZED CITIZENSHIP - a process (ACT) that many of us here at Visa Journey are familier with.

Warm Regards,

Samby

Correct. Your child will be a natural-born citizen of both countries. Regardless, you'll have to do extra paperwork with the government in which your child is not born in order to register the birth.

[Hank_ 9,174]

CRBA http://manila.usembassy.gov/service/citizenship.html

[rlogan 2,036]

Well, we had our first child in the US. But now the only hospital near where my family lives has gone "out-of-network" from our insurance. So we're seriously considering having our second child in Philippines (Davao City). Questions:

we also fell victim - again and again - to charges in Alaska being above what is called "customary" by the insurance company and the hospital being extremely uncooperative and combative about extra charges we did not want. Thousands.

They smirk while saying that they have no choice, someone will sue if they don't heap all of these extra charges on top that we don't want. Why two doctors signing off to leave instead of just one? Another charge in excess of $1,000 right there. The insurance company will not allow it. You force us into a position where we are having to escape from the hospital? Make you out to be a criminal for trying to save thousands to feed your baby.

Our experience generally is that for any service in the Philippines, it will cost less than the 20% insurance deductible, and the service will be better. They do what you want instead of forcing you to do what you don't want.

Edited October 6, 2014 by rlogan

[danver 15]

Well, we had our first child in the US. But now the only hospital near where my family lives has gone "out-of-network" from our insurance. So we're seriously considering having our second child in Philippines (Davao City). Questions:

1. What's the approximate cost of a normal delivery at a decent hospital (at or equivalent to Davao Doctor's)?

2. About how long does it take to get a US passport for the child so we can return to the US? In that past I have heard it can take many months just for the NSO to record & produce a birth certificate on NSO paper. Is there any way to get around this? Will the US Embassy accept anything othe than a B/C on NSO paper? Is there some sort of expedited service from NSO? Once we file the CRBA with the required documentation, how long does it take for the US Embassy to issue a passport?

Thanks for your help. Hello there, i would like to share my story based on my experience. When i had an unplanned pregnancy hubby and i decided to give birth to our first child in the Philippines and that was 6 yrs. Ago. I gave birth thru a C section in a.private hospital with a private doctor and private room. All my bills approximately was about $4k .about the CRBA it only took me 10 days from the time i sent my application till getting my sons US passport . My son is a dual citizen

[Peter32 1]

We had hour son in De La Salle hospital in Dasmarinas, Cavite in May. We had to do an emergency CS, which ended up costing 125k php, which included everything (hospital fees for two nights and three days stay there, doctor's fees, medication, etc.) We chose De La Salle because it was the best hospital within 1 hour from our apartment in Dasmarinas. A normal birth without any issues would have been 40k to 50k there. I have no real experience of the same from the USA, but my impression is that the quality of care was comparable to a standard hospital in the USA, FWIW.

We took the hospital's birth certificate to the municipal recording office about a week after birth. They filed it with NSO and we were able to get our son's NSO birth certificate through the online service in about month and half after birth (did not try earlier). We submitted the CRBA and passport application about a month later, and were told by the consular office that we should expect our son to get his US passport in about 3.5 months from submitting, if everything goes well. Still waiting...

Hope this helps. Good luck.

[VOL 425]

Medical is cheap in the Philppines, but the one draw back is if you have complication then the Medical care is nowhere near what it is in the USA.

[danver 15]

We had hour son in De La Salle hospital in Dasmarinas, Cavite in May. We had to do an emergency CS, which ended up costing 125k php, which included everything (hospital fees for two nights and three days stay there, doctor's fees, medication, etc.) We chose De La Salle because it was the best hospital within 1 hour from our apartment in Dasmarinas. A normal birth without any issues would have been 40k to 50k there. I have no real experience of the same from the USA, but my impression is that the quality of care was comparable to a standard hospital in the USA, FWIW.

We took the hospital's birth certificate to the municipal recording office about a week after birth. They filed it with NSO and we were able to get our son's NSO birth certificate through the online service in about month and half after birth (did not try earlier). We submitted the CRBA and passport application about a month later, and were told by the consular office that we should expect our son to get his US passport in about 3.5 months from submitting, if everything goes well. Still waiting...

Hope this helps. Good luck.