B-2 Visa for husband until I-130 gets sent in

[Ning 619]

A written statement from a third party stating why a visa applicant MUST return to their country is as valuable during the interview as a two week old newspaper. Such statements are merely self serving and prove nothing except that somebody wrote a letter. Nor are the COs required to read or examine every document that might accompany a visa application. Another person (i.e. the author of said statement) has NO control over the actions of another person, and cannot legally force that individual to depart the US after their authorized visit. I am not sure why so many people believe (erroneously) that some letter will somehow fool a CO or convince that CO about another person's bona fides....it can't and it won't...it does not matter who writes such a letter...an applicant has to convince the CO that they will abide by the terms of any visa privilege granted to them...and no one else can act on an applicant's behalf in order to accomplish that task.

I not only believe it will help but I know it can based on past experiances of others that I have helped do exactly what I suggested. Each one of those visas were granted with almost zero questions about return.

Additionaly this " third party" seems to me to be very intellegent. Enough so that she would use more sense than you have displayed by having him sign his own letter. Nobody is trying to " fool" the CO.

Its my opinion that submitting such a letter is a good way to allow the CO to make an informed decision. You want him to wait until the CO is standing there. Many times when that is done it results in a denial. It is very hard to get a tourist visa from Egypt. As I explained before they dont go over the rules with the applicant. The person is expected to know how to meet the strongest ties rule without knowing the terms. I also suggested this course of action in case he is given the visa because he may be questioned again at the POE.

Also we should keep in mind this is her husband not some guy off the street.

We are here to offer advise on how people could succeed. You have spent your time explaining why nothing will work. What advise do you have that would ensure his success? They can fail on their own.

Edited October 12, 2011 by Ning

[Noah Lot 391]

I not only believe it will help but I know it can based on past experiances of others that I have helped do exactly what I suggested. Each one of those visas were granted with almost zero questions about return.

Additionaly this " third party" seems to me to be very intellegent. Enough so that she would use more sense than you have displayed by having him sign his own letter. Nobody is trying to " fool" the CO.

Its my opinion that submitting such a letter is a good way to allow the CO to make an informed decision. You want him to wait until the CO is standing there. Many times when that is done it results in a denial. It is very hard to get a tourist visa from Egypt. As I explained before they dont go over the rules with the applicant. The person is expected to know how to meet the strongest ties rule without knowing the terms. I also suggested this course of action in case he is given the visa because he may be questioned again at the POE.

Also we should keep in mind this is her husband not some guy off the street.

We are here to offer advise on how people could succeed. You have spent your time explaining why nothing will work. What advise do you have that would ensure his success? They can fail on their own.

What advise (advice) ? None. I don't make it habit to help others obtain visas. And you do not know whether some letter was the pivotal part of the approved visa puzzle. Such letters are just window dressing. It's the APPLICANT who has to prove his/her intentions, not some silly letter from an interested third party. If such a letter really has the impact you say, then every visa applicant on the planet should just ask one of their friends or relatives to write the same letter and everyone would be granted visas....however, I would wager a not inconsiderable some of money that this would not happen.

History is a great teacher, and if you had any idea of the number of people who made similar claims as to the 'necessity' of their return, but instead remarkably 'changed their mind' (moments after clearing baggage claim) and used the tourist visa to enter the US with the full intention of remaining there and completing any AOS outside of their own country....just ask CPB and or USCIS for those stats....I would also wager a huge sum that the stats from developing countries, such as Egypt, would show an approximate 99% abuse rate of a tourist visa.

[Boiler 46,013]

however, I would wager a not inconsiderable some of money that this would not happen.

Count me in.

The officer has to read what is presented as part of the case.

Really?

[Noah Lot 391]

I not only believe it will help but I know it can based on past experiances of others that I have helped do exactly what I suggested. Each one of those visas were granted with almost zero questions about return.

Additionaly this " third party" seems to me to be very intellegent. Enough so that she would use more sense than you have displayed by having him sign his own letter. Nobody is trying to " fool" the CO.

Its my opinion that submitting such a letter is a good way to allow the CO to make an informed decision. You want him to wait until the CO is standing there. Many times when that is done it results in a denial. It is very hard to get a tourist visa from Egypt. As I explained before they dont go over the rules with the applicant. The person is expected to know how to meet the strongest ties rule without knowing the terms. I also suggested this course of action in case he is given the visa because he may be questioned again at the POE.

Also we should keep in mind this is her husband not some guy off the street.

We are here to offer advise on how people could succeed. You have spent your time explaining why nothing will work. What advise do you have that would ensure his success? They can fail on their own.

What I am not doing is offering false hopes...especially when the information you are supplying is woefully inaccurate....for example, a CO is NOT required to read every document shoved through the window...they can choose to look at all, none or something in between. Moreover, there is NO document that exists that under current U.S. law establishes the bona fides of any visa applicant seeking a tourist visa...none...now, if you don't believe me, please...page through the Immigration & Nationality Act, cover to cover and cut and paste that section that mentions such a persuasive piece of paper...

and, more importantly, but often forgotten (or was never understood), CO's don't really care WHY someone is going to the US for 'tourism' (unless they state they are planning to work or rob banks!), but do care about WHY someone is going to return to their country of residence after their authorized visit...and any letter, even one written by you, is not going to persuade any experienced CO about the alleged intentions of a particular visa applicant. Now, if you doubt this simple fact, please,...point to that section of the INA that states something to the effect of.."a letter written by a third party, especially if drafted by someone named 'Ning', that states that the applicant in question MUST return to their country of residence, will automatically qualify that applicant and will serve to overcome the presumption of immigrant intent.'....love to see that written somewhere...

But to imply that such a letter will work some sort of magic on a CO is blatantly not true. Same goes for letters written by a congressman or senator...they cannot 'order' a VO to issue a visa and their letter saying that applicant X is going to depart the US has no bearing on an interview...if the CO is not convinced about the true intent of an applicant, then BY LAW that application must be denied....period. I suggest you read in close detail section 214(b) of the INA....

[Ning 619]

Count me in.

Really?

The three officers my husband had discussions with said they were required to read everything submitted as part of the cases.

[Boiler 46,013]

The three officers my husband had discussions with said they were required to read everything submitted as part of the cases.

3 officers regarding a visitor visa?

They have to read the application, perhaps he misunderstood.

[Noah Lot 391]

The three officers my husband had discussions with said they were required to read everything submitted as part of the cases.

Odd....I reviewed the INA and there was NO mention that CO's have any legal obligation to look at every piece of paper...I also reviewed the Foreign Affairs Manual, the book that supplies guidance to COs...and....NO mention of this alleged fact....why? Because, as I said earlier, there is NO documentary requirement for any tourist visa applicant, other than completing his/her application, and COs are NOT required to examine or look at any other documentation unless they wish to do so....so your friend did not hear what he thought he heard.

I also emailed a friend of mine who was a consular manager in several other countries....oddly...he agreed with me...that none of his subordinates were required to sift through pages of documents nor letters from interested third parties...but gee...maybe ole Ning knows more about a process he has never carried out than our laws or our foreign service officers...(but I doubt it).

[Ning 619]

3 officers regarding a visitor visa?

They have to read the application, perhaps he misunderstood.

Three officers during 3 attempts to get a tourist visa. He was told to submit a letter explaining why I would return. They said they were required to read what ever was submitted. I was denied each time. My husband was right there each time. On the final attempt he asked the officer what the problem was in light of the fact we had done everything asked including the letter.

The officer said" your documents are perfect, I believe what you say, your husband did a good job with the letter but if we issue a tourist visa to you we would be fired that day". The reasoning in my case was because I was married to a USC. They explianed the concept of the strongest ties to my husband & told him they realized it was a "catch 22". I had never heard of that.

The great thing about those denials is that it changed my husbands mind about what we were doing & he decided to bring us to the USA to allow us to become citizens. That will happen next year.

I have since advised other people to use the writting of the letter about 5 times. Each time they were granted the visa. Four of them wrote to me saying the officer said the letter allowed them to approve the visa.

[Ning 619]

Odd....I reviewed the INA and there was NO mention that CO's have any legal obligation to look at every piece of paper...I also reviewed the Foreign Affairs Manual, the book that supplies guidance to COs...and....NO mention of this alleged fact....why? Because, as I said earlier, there is NO documentary requirement for any tourist visa applicant, other than completing his/her application, and COs are NOT required to examine or look at any other documentation unless they wish to do so....so your friend did not hear what he thought he heard.

I also emailed a friend of mine who was a consular manager in several other countries....oddly...he agreed with me...that none of his subordinates were required to sift through pages of documents nor letters from interested third parties...but gee...maybe ole Ning knows more about a process he has never carried out than our laws or our foreign service officers...(but I doubt it).

The only thing odd here is you. You must be one sick puppy. You have spent all this effort doging me & ZERO helping the OP.

You not only dont NOHA LOT, you cant read. My " friend " is my husband. Do you think I am just saying these things while knowing I am wrong? What is the purpose of your attacks?

You have friends? Suprised to hear that. They agree with you? Another surprise.

The letter I suggested would be written by the OP & sent to her HUSBAND. IF he agreed it was correct HE would sign it. If he had posted here I would tell him the same thing.

Ole Ning isnt a man. Ole Ning has carried out this very action with the help of my USC HUSBAND.

Maybe NOHA LOT should start a KNOW NOT TOO MUCH immigration assistance web site so he can have a bigger soap box. You can include your friend? that couldnt keep his job but knows a lot more than you. He must because that where NOHA LOT turns to for a dry crying towel.

[Noah Lot 391]

The only thing odd here is you. You must be one sick puppy. You have spent all this effort doging me & ZERO helping the OP.

You not only dont NOHA LOT, you cant read. My " friend " is my husband. Do you think I am just saying these things while knowing I am wrong? What is the purpose of your attacks?

You have friends? Suprised to hear that. They agree with you? Another surprise.

The letter I suggested would be written by the OP & sent to her HUSBAND. IF he agreed it was correct HE would sign it. If he had posted here I would tell him the same thing.

Ole Ning isnt a man. Ole Ning has carried out this very action with the help of my USC HUSBAND.

Maybe NOHA LOT should start a KNOW NOT TOO MUCH immigration assistance web site so he can have a bigger soap box. You can include your friend? that couldnt keep his job but knows a lot more than you. He must because that where NOHA LOT turns to for a dry crying towel.

the only dodger is YOU....I defy you to find any regulation or law that requires that COs sift through every document presented at a visa interview....repeat....I DEFY you to do so. No letter from anyone, including you, will remove the burden from any tourist visa applicant of the presumption of immigrant intent...now...if you think otherwise, please...find that law or regulation....time's a wastin'.....anyone can compose a letter that says anything....but what legal ramifications does such a letter have? None. Totally unenforceable....no matter who signs the silly thing...even you. But instead of trying to defend your position with actual facts, you dodge the issue and refuse to admit that you are just plain wrong and uninformed.

BTW, you can find a copy of the INA in any library....

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Stop the bickering! This forum is supposed to be a support and information site for those who ask for advice or help on their immigration processes. Our members respond to those requests based upon their own experiences. Personal experiences are the best that we have to share and are valid even if those experiences are different from your own. Immigration never has been a one size fits all regardless of what rules and manuals say.

Adversarial bickering, making snide digs or directing insults at each other, however. are TOS violations and help no one, least of all the OP. If you cannot return to a civil discussion of the topic without attacking each other's experiences, then you will be thread-banned from participation.

[Boiler 46,013]

The reasoning in my case was because I was married to a USC.

So nobody who is married to a USC can ever visit the US.

If you think about it for more than one second you will realise how inane that is.

If you spend some time on here you will see that people submit hundreds of pages of supporting documents,e mail chats etc. No way are these all read. And that is for Immigrant Visa's

[Ning 619]

So nobody who is married to a USC can ever visit the US.

If you think about it for more than one second you will realise how inane that is.

If you spend some time on here you will see that people submit hundreds of pages of supporting documents,e mail chats etc. No way are these all read. And that is for Immigrant Visa's

Yeah right. They told us to have all cases sent to you for adjudication. I dont know what I was thinking when I sent mine directly to USCIS.

I related here what happened in my cases.

You can call it inane. You can advise USCIS of their terrible methods. You can write to the embassy & have them re directed. You can say people cant hear or understand correctly.

I didnt say we liked it. But we did have to comply. Inane? I didnt accuse them of that. But then again I wasnt hideing behind my keyboard.

I agree many people submit a lot of supporting docs. Why domnt you advise them to stop? How much do you think each of them should submit? Why not become the filter for all of those cases? How do you know what is read & what isnt?

If you spend enough time here you will see most people are trying to do the best they can. Along the way they may make some mistakes. Most of what I see you do always sems to have mean streak in it. Ok with me I dont pay much attention to what you have to say anyway.

Make a list for people to read that indicates what you say will & wont be read. Then the poor underinformed will go forth as you owuld have them & be saved from themselves. What would we do with out you?

[Boiler 46,013]

USCIS do not handle Visitor Visa's.

Nor do I.

[Ning 619]

Yeah right. They told us to have all cases sent to you for adjudication. I dont know what I was thinking when I sent mine directly to USCIS.

I related here what happened in my cases.

You can call it inane. You can advise USCIS of their terrible methods. You can write to the embassy & have them re directed. You can say people cant hear or understand correctly.

I didnt say we liked it. But we did have to comply. Inane? I didnt accuse them of that. But then again I wasnt hideing behind my keyboard.

I agree many people submit a lot of supporting docs. Why domnt you advise them to stop? How much do you think each of them should submit? Why not become the filter for all of those cases? How do you know what is read & what isnt?

If you spend enough time here you will see most people are trying to do the best they can. Along the way they may make some mistakes. Most of what I see you do always sems to have mean streak in it. Ok with me I dont pay much attention to what you have to say anyway.

Make a list for people to read that indicates what you say will & wont be read. Then the poor underinformed will go forth as you owuld have them & be saved from themselves. What would we do with out you?

Sorry. Insert DOS in place of USCIS. The remainder is correct.