Is this it?

[Sister Fracas 5]

Obviously maybe this needs to be repeated....

I used to work as a counsellor at planned parenthood and worked at the BPAS in the UK. Here is a list of people I saw and the reasons for their abortions:

1. A women who already had 5 children and couldn't afford the children she had

2. A 48 year old woman who'd had a tubal ligation, thought there was no way in hell she could get pregnant and was a diabetic to boot

3. An 11 year old girl

4. A woman who was being abused by her husband. He even followed her into the clinic threatening to kill her

5. A recovering heroin addict who was on methadone, and didn't feel she could handle recovery and being pregnant at the same time.

I really challenge anyone who thinks these women should be forced to carry their pregnancy to term to offer an easy solution to their problems. I challenge them to walk in their shoes. I don't their going to put their money where their mouth is and volunteer their time to assist in dealing with these kinds of problems.

Thank you robinlake for sharing these. I have a feeling people will just ignore it though and keep thinking that all of the women in your examples were baby murderers. Sad.

Edited February 23, 2006 by Frances

[keltic 1]

How about some personal responsibility? Well, yeah, maybe I didn't make the best choice but rather than look for the easy way out, let me sleep in the bed I made.

it would be nice if this applied to all things across the board, not just abortion

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Some more detailed statistics reveal a very different picture:

Abortion Statistics - Decisions to Have an Abortion (U.S.)

25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing.

21.3% of women cannot afford a baby.

14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child.

12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy.)

10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career.

7.9% of women want no (more) children.

3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health.

2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health.

Abortion Statistics - Using Contraception (U.S.)

54% of women having an abortion said they used some form of contraception during the month they became pregnant.

90% of women who are at risk for unplanned pregnancies are using contraception

8% of women having an abortion say they have never used contraception.

It is possible that up to 43% of the decline in abortion from 1994-2000 can be attributed to using emergency contraception.

Source

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Isn't not being able to afford to have a baby a pretty damn good excuse not to have one?

No. Not in my opinion.

My grandparents raised a LOT of children and they lived in a country that has no "childcare" at all. They worked hard and they managed.

[Garfield fan 0]

People are just never satisfied with what they have. Back in my country, abortion is illegal no matter what. Some women activists are busy lobbying government to make it legal there due to high mortality rate of unsafe abortion. And here, it's legal, still some people are also busy trying to reverse it.

[de_sjiem 0]

So what about those parents who are trying so hard to have children of their own who can't get pregnant? It takes years to adopt a baby, when millions of infants are being killed every day... Rape and incest victims aside, these women who are having abortions chose to have sex, and we all know what can be a consequense of that. Why is it so horrible to carry a child to term and give it up for adoption? You all talk about rights, but what about the rights of the unborn child?

edit: so maybe the millions killed every day is a rather large exaggeration (sp)..

anyways.. plenty of parents are quite willing to give a loving home to those babies who are being aborted due to financial reasons.. and plenty are also likely willing to pay the hospital bills etc that would come from carrying that child to term.. being unable to afford the baby is not a good excuse at all for an abortion

Edited February 23, 2006 by de_sjiem

[Sister Fracas 5]

54% of women having an abortion said they used some form of contraception during the month they became pregnant.

90% of women who are at risk for unplanned pregnancies are using contraception

8% of women having an abortion say they have never used contraception.

It is possible that up to 43% of the decline in abortion from 1994-2000 can be attributed to using emergency contraception.

Source

Interesting....yet we are to believe that it's mostly irresponsible, "stupid" folk going out there getting pregnant....

Edited February 23, 2006 by Frances

[ace13 0]

Isn't not being able to afford to have a baby a pretty damn good excuse not to have one?

No. Not in my opinion.

My grandparents raised a LOT of children and they lived in a country that has no "childcare" at all. They worked hard and they managed.

With that arguement we should go to every poor country in the world and kill all the children and force abortions so that they children don't have to be poor. It has already begun with some countries.

[Sister Fracas 5]

Why is it so horrible to carry a child to term and give it up for adoption?

don't even know where to begin...

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

Just a thought -- let's say we forced the recovering heroin addict I once saw to have her baby. Let's assume the baby is born addicted -- are all the swarms of pro-life troops going to adopt a baby with an addiction? Don't hold your breath. Are they going to offer welfare and assistance to the child to help it grow up normally? Are they going to volunteer their time and money to ensure its well-being? I'm pretty sure the people who want to make abortion illegal are the same ones making cuts in social welfare programs, espcially those they consider to be cause by someone's poor choices in life, regardless of whether or not this effects innocent children

There is more than one way to throw away a life you know.

[ChristinaM 0]

statistics aside..

the entire point here is that who gives YOU the right whether a woman has an abortion or not? Who gives the lawmakers the right to decide what a woman does to her own body?

Stats ASIDE,HMMMMM! My concious is clear! And YOURS

Mine is clear.

How can yours be clear when you're forcing a decision on that many people? I don't know. I do know that if I were making a decision that affected the lives of many, many people, I'd have some consideration for what's out there and what's real. Maybe I'd talk to people who have lived through it; lived through abortions, lived through a pregnancy they didn't want - and how they continue to live with their decisions. Maybe I'd consider the wider financial and social implications. I might possibly look at some statistics. Maybe I'd even consider what's fair and just to women. And maybe, just maybe, I'd listen to the people presenting a different view. I guess you're incabable of any of those things.

Why can the pro-life crowd not accept that by offering a woman choice, it's not in any way changing their decision not to abort, and that the pro-choice crowd are not harming them by having an abortion? Where is the "live and let live" that this country is so proud of that it will invade other countries to instill? By legislating morality based on religious ethics (which the far right is known to do) the US becomes a dictatorship, not a democracy.

[ace13 0]

Just a thought -- let's say we forced the recovering heroin addict I once saw to have her baby. Let's assume the baby is born addicted -- are all the swarms of pro-life troops going to adopt a baby with an addiction? Don't hold your breath. Are they going to offer welfare and assistance to the child to help it grow up normally? Are they going to volunteer their time and money to ensure its well-being? I'm pretty sure the people who want to make abortion illegal are the same ones making cuts in social welfare programs, espcially those they consider to be cause by someone's poor choices in life, regardless of whether or not this effects innocent children

There is more than one way to throw away a life you know.

Who made you god and you KNOW they wouldn't?? My cousin has adopted TWO babies addicted to crack. A man that works for me just adopted a baby whose mother was a heroin user. You don't know. You assume people are as cold hearted as say you? You don't know that!!

[ChristinaM 0]

anyways.. plenty of parents are quite willing to give a loving home to those babies who are being aborted due to financial reasons.. and plenty are also likely willing to pay the hospital bills etc that would come from carrying that child to term.. being unable to afford the baby is not a good excuse at all for an abortion

The adoption argument is not valid, because people only want to adopt perfect, white baby girls (statistically). You look at the number of kids waiting to be adopted, and you tell me - why are people dosing themselves up to the eyeballs with fertility drugs? There are kids waiting to be adopted, don'tcha know!!

As for what's so horrible about carrying a baby to term and giving it up for adoption, I can only assume that you've never been pregnant and never given birth

Edited February 23, 2006 by clmarsh

[faith 0]

statistics aside..

the entire point here is that who gives YOU the right whether a woman has an abortion or not? Who gives the lawmakers the right to decide what a woman does to her own body?

Stats ASIDE,HMMMMM! My concious is clear! And YOURS

I sleep just fine at night, thank you very much.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

statistics aside..

the entire point here is that who gives YOU the right whether a woman has an abortion or not? Who gives the lawmakers the right to decide what a woman does to her own body?

Stats ASIDE,HMMMMM! My concious is clear! And YOURS

Mine is clear.

How can yours be clear when you're forcing a decision on that many people?

He's holier than thou. That's how.