Is this it?

[RaspberrySwirl 20]

These threads make me SICK. They way that people comment about lives of babies like a burden, a bother. It is disgusting and SAD. The rape/incest argument is so rediculous. That isn't the issue. Millions of babies are killed-not because women have been raped, but because of an unplanned pregancy. I wish people would claim responsibility for their actions. Rape and incest victims are few and far between in this issue-- and with reguard to that, two wrongs don't make a right. That child is being punished for someone elses crime--talk about an innocent victim of crime. Now with abortion of a child conceived of rape now makes two vicitms. That isn't a solution.

I was going to stay out of this, but this statement made ME sick. Have you ever been raped? Do you know what that feels like? Then throw a pregnancy as a result on top of that feeling? Rape and incest victims are not as few and far between as you'd like to think. I know most people won't talk about it, but I can guarantee there is at least one person in this forum that has been raped. Whether it be date rape or rape by a stranger... it's more common than you think.

I'm a mother of 2 and am pregnant with my third child... I've had 2 miscarriages, one of them resulting in the loss of a tube and me almost bleeding to death. However, I support a woman's right to chose whether or not she has an abortion.

There are so many situations that you obviously have not even dreamed out that would influence a decision to have an abortion. If it's not you or your decision, you have no right to judge those who make the decision.

thank you faith... that post you replied to made me want to vomit... i WAS raped... i DID get pregnant from it... i had to face those questions of what to do... i had to decide if i could look at a child every day and see the face of the man who raped me... would it be fair to that child? would i resent the baby? if i gave it up for adoption, would there be someone who would actually take my child in? i decided that i would have the child anyway... but then it was taken out of my hands, as i had a miscarriage at almost 4 months...

what i would like to see is... all those who are so adamant about how abortion should NEVER be allowed... all those who say that those who have one were 'stupid' or 'irresponsible'... all those who try to scare women with pictures of the aborted fetus (as if vivid memories of being raped werent bad enough)... all those who deem themselves worthy to judge others... how many children have THEY adopted to help the situation... how many children have they helped to get out of foster homes or state homes? where is their compassion for the human who is stuck in a position to be an incubator against her will?

no, every abortion is not for a child of rape or incest... but unless you bother to talk to someone, how do you know their circumstances? i do not believe in abortion being the ultimate answer to all these problems... but i do believe that if you educate women without trying to scare or humilate them... perhaps they will make the right choice for their own lives...

if you believe it is murder, then dont have one yourself... raise your child to believe the same... but dont impose your beliefs on another... until you have walked a mile in their shoes, you have NO WAY TO UNDERSTAND

Thank you for that post!

And then she heads for the clinic and

she gets some static walking through the door

They call her a killer, and they call her a sinner

and they call her a #######

God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes

'cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose

Everlast

[faith 0]

That's all I ask.. is that people realize that there are circumstances that they may not possibly understand........

[Sister Fracas 5]

Well, see, that's the problem, mdyoung...the same people fighting to ban abortion are also supporting pharmacists and pharmacy chains who refuse to sell the morning-after pill. Even to rape victims. Yes, it has happened.

Not only that Pax, but these are also some of the same people who don't want to educate children (and I DO mean children) on methods of birth control...preferring to push the abstinence speach. So frustrating....

[ace13 0]

This issue will go away eventually. They are able to sustain life outside the womb earlier and earlier. If a woman doesn't want her baby, then they will just remove it from the womb, let it grow and then let it live. Then they woman can just go on and live her marry life like nothing happened.

[Sister Fracas 5]

This issue will go away eventually. They are able to sustain life outside the womb earlier and earlier. If a woman doesn't want her baby, then they will just remove it from the womb, let it grow and then let it live. Then they woman can just go on and live her marry life like nothing happened.

That's just what we need, a bunch of fetuses on ice...sounds like a science fiction horror to me.

Edited February 23, 2006 by Frances

[pax 0]

This issue will go away eventually. They are able to sustain life outside the womb earlier and earlier. If a woman doesn't want her baby, then they will just remove it from the womb, let it grow and then let it live. Then they woman can just go on and live her marry life like nothing happened.

"They" will? Who will? Who will perform forced caesarean sections on women who don't want to carry a pregnancy to term?

Her "marry" life? First of all, you mean "merry." Second of all, most circumstances under which abortions happen are anything but "merry." Too many people believe the myth of the serial abortion.

[I'm Gone 60]

This is a good article on when life begins... it is clear that there is no scientific consensus on the question, no matter what the zealots on the right or left want you to believe.

http://www.devbio.com/article.php?ch=21&id=7

That's exactly the problem, neither side knows for sure when life begins, so that's why it should be debated state by state and let the people of each state decide with what they think is right.

[ChristinaM 0]

This is a good article on when life begins... it is clear that there is no scientific consensus on the question, no matter what the zealots on the right or left want you to believe.

http://www.devbio.com/article.php?ch=21&id=7

That's exactly the problem, neither side knows for sure when life begins, so that's why it should be debated state by state and let the people of each state decide with what they think is right.

What about letting people decide on an individual basis what's right? If they don't want to abort, they don't have to.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

This is a good article on when life begins... it is clear that there is no scientific consensus on the question, no matter what the zealots on the right or left want you to believe.

http://www.devbio.com/article.php?ch=21&id=7

That's exactly the problem, neither side knows for sure when life begins, so that's why it should be debated state by state and let the people of each state decide with what they think is right.

Given that there is no consensus on when life begins, why is a consensus within a state better than a consensus within a country? Both, by definition, will be arbitrary decisions.

My stand on this is, as long as there is no consensus, let's err on the side of individual liberties. It may not be clear that the organism inside a woman's womb is alive, but it is very clear that the woman is alive. I say let the woman decide. She may decide wrong, but hell, that's what being free is all about.

[almaty 19]

This is a good article on when life begins... it is clear that there is no scientific consensus on the question, no matter what the zealots on the right or left want you to believe.

http://www.devbio.com/article.php?ch=21&id=7

That's exactly the problem, neither side knows for sure when life begins, so that's why it should be debated state by state and let the people of each state decide with what they think is right.

Given that there is no consensus on when life begins, why is a consensus within a state better than a consensus within a country? Both, by definition, will be arbitrary decisions.

My stand on this is, as long as there is no consensus, let's err on the side of individual liberties. It may not be clear that the organism inside a woman's womb is alive, but it is very clear that the woman is alive. I say let the woman decide. She may decide wrong, but hell, that's what being free is all about.

i agree....there is too much political bs and religious involvement in a woman's right to decide..it is her decision and one she must live with......

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

This is a good article on when life begins... it is clear that there is no scientific consensus on the question, no matter what the zealots on the right or left want you to believe.

http://www.devbio.com/article.php?ch=21&id=7

That's exactly the problem, neither side knows for sure when life begins, so that's why it should be debated state by state and let the people of each state decide with what they think is right.

Given that there is no consensus on when life begins, why is a consensus within a state better than a consensus within a country? Both, by definition, will be arbitrary decisions.

My stand on this is, as long as there is no consensus, let's err on the side of individual liberties. It may not be clear that the organism inside a woman's womb is alive, but it is very clear that the woman is alive. I say let the woman decide. She may decide wrong, but hell, that's what being free is all about.

Yeah. Freedom! Now there's an American thought!

What about letting people decide on an individual basis what's right? If they don't want to abort, they don't have to.

Exactly!

[ChristinaM 0]

Given that there is no consensus on when life begins, why is a consensus within a state better than a consensus within a country? Both, by definition, will be arbitrary decisions.

My stand on this is, as long as there is no consensus, let's err on the side of individual liberties. It may not be clear that the organism inside a woman's womb is alive, but it is very clear that the woman is alive. I say let the woman decide. She may decide wrong, but hell, that's what being free is all about.

YES YES YES YES YES.

Thank you.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

YES YES YES YES YES.

One day, I hope to see the day my wife reacts that way to something I say or do!

[ChristinaM 0]

YES YES YES YES YES.

One day, I hope to see the day my wife reacts that way to something I say or do!

Aww, bless you! It was just so good.....

[I'm Gone 60]

My stand on this is, as long as there is no consensus, let's err on the side of individual liberties. It may not be clear that the organism inside a woman's womb is alive, but it is very clear that the woman is alive. I say let the woman decide. She may decide wrong, but hell, that's what being free is all about.

I guess we will just throw all law out the window and let individuals decide what is right.