Obama did right

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Because California is his home right ? Where he can walk in the park and feel at ease with his fellow citizens - and then shoot their babies in the prams to teach them a lesson about supporting Israel

You would probably insist on his arrest if he did that - then bail not to be unreasonably withheld etc

I hope the wild dogs in Yemen are giving his bits and bobs due process

Of course I would insist on arrest if he shot anyone. Arrest. Miranda rights. Trial. I would even support execution. After having his due process.

You claim to love this country so, yet you belittle the legal process and rights to every American that it was built upon. Interesting.

Whatever - wherever - he killed 13 US servicemen at Fort Hood and I hope their families don't read VJ

If they do, they should know that this DUAL stands with them whatever the NATIVES say

You think I don't support my fallen soldiers and their families? What a ridiculous implication.

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Of course I would insist on arrest if he shot anyone. Arrest. Miranda rights. Trial. I would even support execution. After having his due process.

You claim to love this country so, yet you belittle the legal process and rights to every American that it was built upon. Interesting.

You think I don't support my fallen soldiers and their families? What a ridiculous implication.

If you met the families of these soldiers, you would disagree with them about whether due process was carried out and they would be with me - do you disagree ?

I don't claim to love this country because Brits don't talk like that and that is my heritage. In 60 years I never heard a Brit talk like that. That is the American culture. In the British culture the word 'love' is reserved for people and pets. I could list hundreds of things about the USA that you don't love starting with Castro's criminals that were let loose in Miami. Ask a Brit what they think of Britain and they will say " Its all right but it rains a lot and the politicians are crooks".

I support all the due process that you do and all the constitution and I am totally law abiding and pay all my taxes and I defend the country against terrorists - if that isn't enough then tough beans because a lot of US Citizens who say they love the country cannot rise to that standard.

Our difference is simply whether due process was present. I compare it to an armed corner shop shoot out with the cops and you don't.

Nothing more to say really

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'm crying over our Constitution being compromised in what I see in a heinous manner. IMO, those who trample the Constitution- again, regardless of party affiliation - should no longer be in position to do that again

Do you feel that way about Abraham Lincoln issuing a Presidential decree to suspend Habeas Corpus during the Civil War?

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Do you feel that way about Abraham Lincoln issuing a Presidential decree to suspend Habeas Corpus during the Civil War?

How long did it take Mr Corpus to die after he was suspended ?

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How long did it take Mr Corpus to die after he was suspended ?

4 score and 7 years

Edited October 8, 2011 by Lord Infamous

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If you met the families of these soldiers, you would disagree with them about whether due process was carried out and they would be with me - do you disagree ?

I don't claim to love this country because Brits don't talk like that and that is my heritage. In 60 years I never heard a Brit talk like that. That is the American culture. In the British culture the word 'love' is reserved for people and pets. I could list hundreds of things about the USA that you don't love starting with Castro's criminals that were let loose in Miami. Ask a Brit what they think of Britain and they will say " Its all right but it rains a lot and the politicians are crooks".

I support all the due process that you do and all the constitution and I am totally law abiding and pay all my taxes and I defend the country against terrorists - if that isn't enough then tough beans because a lot of US Citizens who say they love the country cannot rise to that standard.

Our difference is simply whether due process was present. I compare it to an armed corner shop shoot out with the cops and you don't.

Nothing more to say really

This is not about Britain...wrt this topic, I really don't care what happens in Britain. I could get into my experiences with Brits and 'how they do it' and what my impression is as to whether they express 'love' for their country, but it's besides the point. You also seem to still be tangenting off wrt my thoughts on dual nationals. I don't look down upon dual nationals as second class citizens; is the irony lost on you that al-Awlaki was also a dual national and I am defending his right to due process even though it may seem like I'm sympathizing with a terrorist inciter? I am not attacking you as an American; you can spare all the 'proof' that you're a good American. I don't care whether you're law abiding, pay your taxes, etc...that is not what this is about.

I could also go off on a tangent about Obama acting against his campaign promises with this action, but it's not about the same old Dems vs Repubs here. I think this is really serious and opinion should transcend party bullsh!t

Being executed before being found guilty goes against everything this country stands for. Our military fights to preserve democracy, which includes the 5th amendment.

Here's an editorial I happen to agree with:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/opinion/sunday/assassinating-al-awlaki-was-counterproductive.html?_r=1

The accusations against him were very serious, but as a citizen, he deserved a fair trial and the chance to face his accusers in a court of law. Whether he deserved any punishment for his speech was a decision that a jury should have made, not the executive branch of our government. The killing of this American citizen is not only unconstitutional, but hypocritical and counterproductive.

The assassination is unconstitutional because the Fifth Amendment specifies that no person may “be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” A group of policy makers unilaterally deciding that a particular citizen needs to be targeted is not, by any stretch of the imagination, due process.

The assassination is hypocritical because America routinely criticizes (and justifiably so) such extrajudicial assassinations when they occur at the hands of another government. We most certainly don’t approve the regimes of Syria or Iran eliminating those whom they deem to be traitors. In fact, Al Qaeda’s own justifications for murder stem from the notion that its members are qualified to be the judge, jury and executioner of those whom they view as enemies. America’s moral authority is undermined if we criticize in others what we do ourselves. It only reinforces the stereotype that the United States has very little concern for its own principles. Even Nazi war criminals got their day in court, at Nuremburg.

It is ironic to note that those who have actually attempted terrorist attacks on American soil and been caught were read their Miranda rights and went to trial, even though some were not United States citizens. Yet Mr. Awlaki, who has never been accused of himself directly attempting an attack, was not given this chance.

Lastly, the assassination is counterproductive because it feeds into the martyr mythology that makes Al Qaeda’s narrative so different from that of most other terrorist groups.

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Mr. Awlaki needed to be challenged, not assassinated. By killing him, America has once again blurred the lines between its own tactics and the tactics of its enemies. In silencing Mr. Awlaki’s voice, not only did America fail to live up to its ideals, but it gave Mr. Awlaki’s dangerous message a life and power of its own. And these two facts make the job of refuting that message now even more difficult.

Edited October 8, 2011 by Anita Cocktail

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4 score and 7 years

In that case Mr Lincoln, inventor of the Lincoln motor car 50 years before it was put into production, did what was necessary in his view.

Now that's interesting because in times of war we suspend the law of murder. If I drop a bomb on Hiroshima and incinerate tens of thousands of children (and many cats and dogs if it makes it more relevant to animal lovers), I get a medal and a pension and book rights to the exciting flight and the big flash.

My grandad was 33 with 5 kids when a young German killed him and then celebrated with good German beer and the admiration of his fellows and his country. No due process there.

When it comes right down to it, all our laws and revered constitutions go out of the window as soon as it gets rough and perhaps they should where the processes as carried out in peace are not practical. Issuing a warrant for the arrest and arraignment of Mr Hitler in 1939 would have been...er.. less than effective ?

Would you kill your father if it was the only way to stop him killing your mother ?

Tough choices for tough situations, but my motto is that we should always show our opponents that we are better than them, even when we are incinerating their cities and everyone man, woman, child, cat, dog and mouse, in them

100,000 Japanese fried at one go - and we are concerned about Al-Mularky ? If it's because he was a US citizen and they were not, doesn't that smack of what the master race was all about ? 'Civis Romanus sum'

Its almost as if people are saying that his USC status made him a person whereas the others were cockroaches. This whole argument is slanted that way and I detect something distasteful behind it

Since I became a USC, I don't feel that I am worth more than I was before, and I don't think, if I start killing people, that I should be treated any differently to how I would have been treated before. If I kill 13 American soldiers and then get a bunch of armed terrorists around me in Yemen and shout "you will never take me alive", there are plenty of government paid masochists in every country who will delight in giving me my wish.

I just wish they had given him some white hot yankee steel as soon as he started this Mularkey

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