Obama did right

[Captain Oates 911]

We shouldn't be celebrating this man not getting his.

He got a lot better than what he would have got if ####### Cheney had got him brought back for due process

He got a lot better due process than what Earl Washington age 17 got when he tried to rob my local corner store with a fake pistol

He wasn't in Yemen to feed ducks in the park or to enjoy tourist camel rides.

I support what my Government and military did - even if I am 'only' a dual with dubious loyalty (according to you) as compared to you - who's concern is with the rights of the terrorist killers of your own native born Americans !

What about the rights of the soldiers at Fort Hood - when are you going to bruise your fingers posting about their rights ? and the plane loads of American men, women and children he was working on killing - what about their lives and rights ?

Nope, he had no idea he was wanted and thus given no opportunity to turn himself in...it was a total surprise to him when his own government attacked him

As I started off by saying - what a load of bunkum

[Captain Oates 911]

I know someone who was born here but grew up abroad - technically he can run for Potus. The "native born" requirement is kind of silly - there has to be more than an accident of birth on US soil.

Anita is more cocktail than Anita and thinks that where you first hit the bed covered in slime is more important than anything else or any of your later acquired attributes.

Those guys in Germany thought along the same lines. Supremacy gained by anything other than your own efforts. Anita did NOTHING to become a citizen and took no oath - yet she looks down on people who fought long and hard for many years to become citizens and who's checked out credentials are impeccable

She would not be so fussy if one of her native borns had her on the cutting table with the video running while we 'duals' were urging for them to be killed to protect her.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

That's a bit premature - life is full of distasteful choices and every day we chose the lesser of two evils.

Until we see what kind of death-squad, fascist, anti-education, grisly, ignorant, swaggering, big-belted, bow-legged, pigeon chested Texan torturer the right wing put up, we cant rule Mr O out entirely

I must have been picturing Perry when I described that alternative

If Perry is the other choice, then I am not voting for either. Libertarian again for me. But I am not voting for Obama. It is not premature to decide that. I did not vote for him in 2008 and he sure has done nothing since to change my mind. Even blowing up American-citizen-Muslim-terrorists without trial.

I suggest all of those that are outraged over him exploding Muslim Terrorists of any citizenship without a trial should ALSO not vote for him.

[Captain Oates 911]

If Perry is the other choice, then I am not voting for either. Libertarian again for me. But I am not voting for Obama. It is not premature to decide that. I did not vote for him in 2008 and he sure has done nothing since to change my mind. Even blowing up American-citizen-Muslim-terrorists without trial.

I suggest all of those that are outraged over him exploding Muslim Terrorists of any citizenship without a trial should ALSO not vote for him.

I don't want to vote for him either coz he is boring and ineffective like my ex chief accountant. However, if the alternative is a reincarnation of General Pinochet but with the generosity and gentleness sucked out of him, then its either stay at home or vote for the OH-OH-OH

I would like to stand but Anita wont let me. I just want to do it spread confusion like suggesting to the tea party that we have government funding to abort illegal immigrants or a waver of green card regulations in the case of the second coming of christ (An Israeli citizen).

Then I could ask Michael Moore to support charitable status for the new rich persons union

I love spreading confusion among the convinced - I asked the jehovah's witnesses what he was accused of ?

Imagine a US soldier in a fox hole in Afghanistan and he is being threatened with a rocket propelled grenade and he is told the grenadier is a US citizen and he cant fire back until his opponent has been handed a 'turn yourself in' notice and 3 days has passed.

VJ is becoming a mirror image of reality and a virtual Tora-Bora

The 'duals' are totally supporting the US Military and Government and having their allegiance questioned, while the 'natives' stick up for people who are killing our troops and civilians.

Perhaps this is a nightmare and not really Thursday daytime pacific.

[Fandango 1,440]

He got a lot better than what he would have got if ####### Cheney had got him brought back for due process

He got a lot better due process than what Earl Washington age 17 got when he tried to rob my local corner store with a fake pistol

He wasn't in Yemen to feed ducks in the park or to enjoy tourist camel rides.

I support what my Government and military did - even if I am 'only' a dual with dubious loyalty (according to you) as compared to you - who's concern is with the rights of the terrorist killers of your own native born Americans !

What about the rights of the soldiers at Fort Hood - when are you going to bruise your fingers posting about their rights ? and the plane loads of American men, women and children he was working on killing - what about their lives and rights ?

Nope, he had no idea he was wanted and thus given no opportunity to turn himself in...it was a total surprise to him when his own government attacked him

As I started off by saying - what a load of bunkum

This country was founded upon the premise of innocent until proven guilty, and that includes everyone. Whether I'm actually happy he's dead is not the issue....he did not get his due process and that should be of concern to all of us.

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Terrorists don't get due process.

[Fandango 1,440]

Anita is more cocktail than Anita and thinks that where you first hit the bed covered in slime is more important than anything else or any of your later acquired attributes.

Those guys in Germany thought along the same lines. Supremacy gained by anything other than your own efforts. Anita did NOTHING to become a citizen and took no oath - yet she looks down on people who fought long and hard for many years to become citizens and who's checked out credentials are impeccable

She would not be so fussy if one of her native borns had her on the cutting table with the video running while we 'duals' were urging for them to be killed to protect her.

Where did I ever say I look down upon any dual nationals? I even said I understand why it's done. Sure is worth is to not have to deal with LPR paperwork.

What I said was, there's an intrinsic conflict of interest...and you can pretend I'm crazy for pointing out the obvious, but it doesn't make that any less true.

Terrorists don't get due process.

Some have. And every American should.

Edited October 6, 2011 by Anita Cocktail

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... every American should.

No, not the living in a desert in the ME terrorist Americans.

BTW I am not trying to be consistent here.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I agree with you. I'm pissed off with at least two of my countries at any time

Where did I ever say I look down upon any dual nationals? I even said I understand why it's done. Sure is worth is to not have to deal with LPR paperwork.

What I said was, there's an intrinsic conflict of interest...and you can pretend I'm crazy for pointing out the obvious, but it doesn't make that any less true.

[Captain Oates 911]

Where did I ever say I look down upon any dual nationals? I even said I understand why it's done. Sure is worth is to not have to deal with LPR paperwork.

What I said was, there's an intrinsic conflict of interest...and you can pretend I'm crazy for pointing out the obvious, but it doesn't make that any less true.

Some have. And every American should.

Scuze me but it's the naturals who are killing American citizens in the USA - ford hood /oklahoma/al mularky etc

The duals haven't killed anyone have they ?

Where's the conflict of interest there ?

Have a look around these P&R threads for the last couple of weeks and all the people who wont say anything bad about terrorists are natural born Americans who owe their allegiance to a foreign flag which they display on their posts and their signatures and who devote their lives to promoting those foreign countries and those foreign interests.

The people who stand up for the US government and military are people who fought long and hard to come here and gain citizenship - the duals... me !

Check it out...

[Fandango 1,440]

Scuze me but it's the naturals who are killing American citizens in the USA - ford hood /oklahoma/al mularky etc

The duals haven't killed anyone have they ?

Where's the conflict of interest there ?

Have a look around these P&R threads for the last couple of weeks and all the people who wont say anything bad about terrorists are natural born Americans who owe their allegiance to a foreign flag which they display on their posts and their signatures and who devote their lives to promoting those foreign countries and those foreign interests.

The people who stand up for the US government and military are people who fought long and hard to come here and gain citizenship - the duals... me !

Check it out...

Umm, when did I liken dual nationals to murderers?

Let's not tangent, k?

[scandal 951]

LOL so testy. My beliefs are fine for law too...apparently for everyone else too, or else this forum wouldn't exist

But that's besides the point. If we're talking particulars, this is the exact text:

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I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

As a matter of law, every person who holds dual citizenship is technically lying when they make this pledge. Whether it's enforced or not is a different matter. "I renounce all allegiance and fidelity." That's a pretty heavy statement. That doesn't say 'some' or doesn't say 'I'll share allegiance with'...it says "I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure' (verbose for clarity? dunno)

I am not against LPRs, and I see a reason why many become dual citizens. However, the notion of dual allegiance is truly impossible. There is always one which holds the TRUE loyalty. People don't need to get all twisted if my view on this is offensive...it's a very matter of fact and clear conflict of interest.

Anyway, that's great that you hold x amount of citizenships...but I doubt you can hold true loyalty and fidelity to all.

As a matter of law, I hold dual (triple, in fact) citizenship and I have never technically lied, or otherwise lied when making the pledge you quote above for the simple reason that I've never actually needed to utter those words. That text is from the Naturalization Oath of Allegiance. And I am not a naturalized US citizen, I am born on US soil and hence a citizen from birth.

It seems you believe that anyone who is a USC holding dual citizenship acquired the USC through naturalization. That is not true. Many, self included, are born USC. Some acquire a second citizenship later in life through naturalization in a foreign country. Others are born dual from birth. In any case, they never need to swear an Oath of citizenship to the US.

I can understand why you think that it's impossible to be loyal to two countries equally. That may even be true, for some if not most, or possibly even all dual (multi) citizens. But I don't think you've got the X-ray vision to peer into people's heads and understand their loyalties or ties and to pronounce such judgement. I certainly don't see that it's "truly impossible" and I challenge your assertion that it is so.

[scandal 951]

I know someone who was born here but grew up abroad - technically he can run for Potus. The "native born" requirement is kind of silly - there has to be more than an accident of birth on US soil.

I agree with you.

Note by the way that we've had at least two foreign born Secretaries of State: Henry Kissinger and Madeleine Albright.

This is #4 on the Order of Succession to the President (following the VP, Speaker of the House, President pro tempore of the Senate).

Meaning that it's conceivable that Kissinger or Albright could have been in a position of taking the office of POTUS despite being naturalized Americans. Not sure what that might have meant constitutionally.......

[Captain Oates 911]

Umm, when did I liken dual nationals to murderers?

Let's not tangent, k?

It take two to tangent.

It's well known that a failure to murder your fellow citizens is indicative of a dual who may well have full allegiance - and conversely, when a natural born murders his fellow citizens, some corrective actions in regards to his allegiance might be necessary to bring him up to the standards of the said duals - or splat him into a soggy mess whichever seems like the most fun

I am a jewel of a dual and always ready to duel with those who would doubt my status.

OMG I am a poet and I didn't know it

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

This country was founded upon the premise of innocent until proven guilty, and that includes everyone. Whether I'm actually happy he's dead is not the issue....he did not get his due process and that should be of concern to all of us.

Who denied him this? Which person made that decision to deny him his due process? Did you vote for him? Will you vote for him again?