US Born Yemen mullah Anwar Awlaki now shovelling coal

[Captain Oates 911]

quite untrue....refer to these previous threads...by me!

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/276482-can-the-us-assassinate-an-american-citizen-living-in-yemen/

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/310551-assassination-nation-are-there-any-limits/

ok Charles that statistic was a hostage to fortune - but the overwhelming majority of the concern is coming from people who share this civilian-killers religion, and are not as constitution-concerned as yourself (in reality)

I don't care about any religion and I am not too bothered about nationality being a mix of 4 and a passport holder of two, and a citizen of dozens (via the EC), but I fly the Atlantic 4 times a year and I will fly it easier without this guy trying to kill me and everyone else on the plane. Forget his religion, forget his nationality, forget his politics - Drone him now and Drone him good is what I say.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Come off it.

You guys hunt this thread for Islam associated content and then try and do a free PR job for your faith

Your signatures contain all sorts of references and pictures referring to your faith

Then, when anyone replies to your religion laden posts and refers to Islam in a less that validating manner, you cry that you are being harassed because of your religion !

If you go on a politics and religion forum and start beating the drum for your religion, you have to expect that some people will put forward a counter view to your own

If that counter view of your religion is unacceptable to you, then total one-party domination of the conversation is being attempted and that wont stick in this US of A

You are obviously educated to a reasonable degree, but all that is squandered if you are not prepared to engage in conversation but only want to advance your book with zero discussion and totally unchallenged

Education is for nothing without intellectual honesty and Americans don't like ducking and diving. They like straight talk.

Everyone knows the driver behind your concern for this dead idiot Malarky in Yemen (Drones be up his canyon), is religion inspired, but you think people don't realize that. Underestimating your audience is an error

#1. You troll thread after thread that mention Muslims to do a free PR job for your bigotry.

#2. My siggy doesn't contain a single word or image about my faith, and never has.

#3. I have never said that "I" am being harrassed because of my religion. I don't discuss my religion on this board.

#4. When have I ever "beaten a drum" for my religion ? I don't discuss my religion, and rarely even post in the religion threads.

#5. There are only a handful of Muslims posting on this board, far outnumbered by posters who consistently malign Muslims (like you.) Please explain how these few Muslims are imposing this "one-party domination of the conversation" of which you speak. Count the responses in this thread and divide them up between "your" side and "my" side (as you see it) and then come back and give us the results on this overwhelming Muslim majority drowning out people like you.

(BTW you are not the official spokesperson of "this US of A." I'm also a born-and-bred American, and my opinion is just as "American" as any other American's )

#6, #7, and #8. You're not making any sense, but only speaking to your own bigotry. As usual.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

is there a blue moon out? i'm agreeing with wom!

There must be, because I agree with Rob on this one.

[The_Dude 1,142]

not good enough to circumvent one's rights guaranteed by the constitution

He was also a citizen of Yemen. Do you not respect the judicial decisions of another country towards its citizens?

I don't think he should have been targeted.

I do think he should have been put in proceedings to have his citizenship revoked. If he didn't show up for them, then so be it. After which, then go after him.

How is targeting him really any different from targeting Osama Bin Laden?

[Captain Oates 911]

#1. You troll thread after thread that mention Muslims to do a free PR job for your bigotry.

#2. My siggy doesn't contain a single word or image about my faith, and never has.

#3. I have never said that "I" am being harrassed because of my religion. I don't discuss my religion on this board.

#4. When have I ever "beaten a drum" for my religion ? I don't discuss my religion, and rarely even post in the religion threads.

#5. There are only a handful of Muslims posting on this board, far outnumbered by posters who consistently malign Muslims (like you.) Please explain how these few Muslims are imposing this "one-party domination of the conversation" of which you speak. Count the responses in this thread and divide them up between "your" side and "my" side (as you see it) and then come back and give us the results on this overwhelming Muslim majority drowning out people like you.

(BTW you are not the official spokesperson of "this US of A." I'm also a born-and-bred American, and my opinion is just as "American" as any other American's )

#6, #7, and #8. You're not making any sense, but only speaking to your own bigotry. As usual.

What I am after is some straight talk.

If I were to ask you whether this American killer of Americans is going to go to heaven, what would you say ?

Would you obfuscate and um and aaar - or would you answer yes or no with a reason ?

I am not against Islam in general, but only it's cruel manifestations around the world - just the same as I am against christian cruelties

It is denied on here that these cruelties (eg female circumcision/throat cutting/amputations/stoning) have anything to do with Islam, but they are certainly being done in the name of Islam, with precious little push-back from other Moslems who just say "It's not our religion behind this and not our problem"

I am just as 'anti' the Christians who shoot abortion doctors or put unmarried mothers in cellars or mental asylums

My beef is with cruelty and not with just one religion - but I see religions as the font of all this stuff.

So you are interested in posting on threads which discuss your religion and I am interested in threads which discuss my opposition to religion so far as its cruel manifestations are concerned. This dead idiot is an evil manifestation of a branch of your religion as far as I, and most of the people in the West (there I go again speaking for others), are concerned. I am sure HE would agree with me that the actions for which he was killed, were inspired by his religion

I don't revile him because he is/ was a Moslem, I revile him for killing innocents and planning to kill more.

So I'm not anti you, or anti your religion, or anti christianity - I am only anti the cruel actions which flow from these religions and I think the 'others' in those religions (you) have a duty to speak up and denounce them

I don't hear a lot of that going on - only criticisms of the US gov, which in this instance I totally support.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Alan is not a born American. He is a born baiter.

#1. You troll thread after thread that mention Muslims to do a free PR job for your bigotry.

#2. My siggy doesn't contain a single word or image about my faith, and never has.

#3. I have never said that "I" am being harrassed because of my religion. I don't discuss my religion on this board.

#4. When have I ever "beaten a drum" for my religion ? I don't discuss my religion, and rarely even post in the religion threads.

#5. There are only a handful of Muslims posting on this board, far outnumbered by posters who consistently malign Muslims (like you.) Please explain how these few Muslims are imposing this "one-party domination of the conversation" of which you speak. Count the responses in this thread and divide them up between "your" side and "my" side (as you see it) and then come back and give us the results on this overwhelming Muslim majority drowning out people like you.

(BTW you are not the official spokesperson of "this US of A." I'm also a born-and-bred American, and my opinion is just as "American" as any other American's )

#6, #7, and #8. You're not making any sense, but only speaking to your own bigotry. As usual.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Alan is not a born American. He is a born baiter.

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So are you Sofi....

[Sofiyya 1,687]

So what, Alan? What are you going to do about people who post stuff you don't like about subjects you are clueless about other than attack them? Will you continue to whine about them or get some education of your own so you can post something worth reading by anyone who is educated? That's what I'd like to know.

What I am after is some straight talk.

If I were to ask you whether this American killer of Americans is going to go to heaven, what would you say ?

Would you obfuscate and um and aaar - or would you answer yes or no with a reason ?

I am not against Islam in general, but only it's cruel manifestations around the world - just the same as I am against christian cruelties

It is denied on here that these cruelties (eg female circumcision/throat cutting/amputations/stoning) have anything to do with Islam, but they are certainly being done in the name of Islam, with precious little push-back from other Moslems who just say "It's not our religion behind this and not our problem"

I am just as 'anti' the Christians who shoot abortion doctors or put unmarried mothers in cellars or mental asylums

My beef is with cruelty and not with just one religion - but I see religions as the font of all this stuff.

So you are interested in posting on threads which discuss your religion and I am interested in threads which discuss my opposition to religion so far as its cruel manifestations are concerned. This dead idiot is an evil manifestation of a branch of your religion as far as I, and most of the people in the West (there I go again speaking for others), are concerned. I am sure HE would agree with me that the actions for which he was killed, were inspired by his religion

I don't revile him because he is/ was a Moslem, I revile him for killing innocents and planning to kill more.

So I'm not anti you, or anti your religion, or anti christianity - I am only anti the cruel actions which flow from these religions and I think the 'others' in those religions (you) have a duty to speak up and denounce them

I don't hear a lot of that going on - only criticisms of the US gov, which in this instance I totally support.

[Captain Oates 911]

Alan is not a born American. He is a born baiter.

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I am equal to any other American, especially those Americans who give me an argument on whether a killer of American innocents got was was coming to him

QUESTION: If this Malarky geezer had been Yemen born, would you have supported your government in the killing (without trial) of this Moslem who killed Americans in the name of Islam ? Caution, you might find that uncomfortable to answer and I expect you to side-step it.

Posing an uncomfortable question is not baiting by the way

Characterizing a question as baiting when it isn't, is just being evasive as is the troll word. Its a cheating way of trying to win an argument when you don't have the ammo to win it honestly

Please answer the straightforward question above

Edited September 30, 2011 by Alan the Red

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Here's something you need to know, and it applies to everyone on any board anywhere. Asking a question doesn't obligate anyone to answer it. It also doesn't imply that the question had any particular effect on them. It probably means they don't give damn that someone asked the question. You ignored my question to you, so, it seems that you understand that without a primer.

I am equal to any other American, especially those Americans who give me an argument on whether a killer of American innocents got was was coming to him

QUESTION: If this Malarky geezer had been Yemen born, would you have supported your government in the killing (without trial) of this Moslem who killed Americans in the name of Islam ? Caution, you might find that uncomfortable to answer and I expect you to side-step it.

Posing an uncomfortable question is not baiting by the way

Characterizing a question as baiting when it isn't, is just being evasive as is the troll word. Its a cheating way of trying to win an argument when you don't have the ammo to win it honestly

Please answer the straightforward question above

[Captain Oates 911]

So what, Alan? What are you going to do about people who post stuff you don't like about subjects you are clueless about other than attack them? Will you continue to whine about them or get some education of your own so you can post something worth reading by anyone who is educated? That's what I'd like to know.

I am not interested in attacking a person on a personal basis other than to point out when they are evasive.

You don't answer the questions and neither do the others of middle eastern association who post on here.

Why is that ?

If I am wrong about something, identify it. Let's get specific or do you feel you are on shaky ground ?

I welcome my government killing this man who killed innocent Americans in the name of Islam - do you ?

Come into the light and answer the question

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I am not interested in attacking a person on a personal basis other than to point out when they are evasive.

You don't answer the questions and neither do the others of middle eastern association who post on here.

Why is that ?

Because we're not stupid. We know you don't care about the answer. Take the hint, you've been made. The gig is up.

If I am wrong about something, identify it. Let's get specific or do you feel you are on shaky ground ?

I welcome my government killing this man who killed innocent Americans in the name of Islam - do you ?

Come into the light and answer the question

[The_Dude 1,142]

Here's something you need to know, and it applies to everyone on any board anywhere. Asking a question doesn't obligate anyone to answer it. It also doesn't imply that the question had any particular effect on them. It probably means they don't give damn that someone asked the question. You ignored my question to you, so, it seems that you understand that without a primer.

I hope you'll heed your own advice next time you or WOM demand some sort of book report or reading assignment from someone. Declining your little homework assignment is not tantamount to a declaration that you are right either.

[Captain Oates 911]

Here's something you need to know, and it applies to everyone on any board anywhere. Asking a question doesn't obligate anyone to answer it. It also doesn't imply that the question had any particular effect on them. It probably means they don't give damn that someone asked the question. You ignored my question to you, so, it seems that you understand that without a primer.

Well at least that was an honest answer - but if you don't feel obligated to answer questions in a debate, there cannot be a debate - just a series of statements where nobody learns anything, other than the other party has unacceptable opinions that they wish to hide.

Thanks for confirming that the Moslems on here deliberately decide not to answer - I thought it was me who wasn't making it clear that I was actually asking a question of them

Unlike the right wing Moslem haters, I prefer not to make statements requiring no answer, but to ask pertinent questions so that Moslems might put their side of it. If they are not prepared to do so then that's an end to it - but you cannot then blame non-Moslems from then forming their own conclusions in a vacuum

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I hope you'll heed your own advice next time you or WOM demand some sort of book report or reading assignment from someone. Declining your little homework assignment is not tantamount to a declaration that you are right either.

If you feel as if you need to do homework or read something, that's your subconscious haunting you, not us