US Born Yemen mullah Anwar Awlaki now shovelling coal

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Alan, no one feels sorry for that guy as much as they are concerned about protecting our Constitution. The fact is, that is the rule book, the manual for running the country. It's our responsibility to make sure our leaders follow it, and not just make it up as they go along. People all over the country are asking where did the authority come from to kill Americans without due process? It's a good question because liberty is lost on a slippery slope.

So you support the people's right to carry concealed firearms and own assault rifles. Good. No way I am voting for Obama.

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I only heard Alla say bad words once, outside of the bedroom, but OMG!!!!!!!!!! They were BAD and there were a LOT of them. Some woman cut right in front of her and nearly ran her off the road, Holy Mother of God! Then she started crying and apologized for her bad behavior. She hates when I swear in Russian and I tend to do it in public when no one knows what I am saying. (I use Russian because too many people speak French here, dammit!) But she says she will bite me.

Does she get "the look"? I swear, when mine get's truly angry, her eyes drop the temperature 20 degrees in the room... Of course you might not be able to detect the temperature change that far north...

[Captain Oates 911]

Alan, no one feels sorry for that guy as much as they are concerned about protecting our Constitution. The fact is, that is the rule book, the manual for running the country. It's our responsibility to make sure our leaders follow it, and not just make it up as they go along. People all over the country are asking where did the authority come from to kill Americans without due process? It's a good question because liberty is lost on a slippery slope.

You are SO wrong to say this was unconstitutional.

Differentiate it from a normal constitutional Police killing

Differentiate it from WACO

You cant. I am the first to protest unlawful actions by authority (rendition, torture etc) but this was TOTALLY constitutional or all killings by Police EVER were unconstitutional

It was so constitutional that it was fine as Police action, let alone a military one

When a kidnapper comes out of a bank with his gun to the head of a hostage, the police marksman kills him without further ado.

Legal and constitutional

Are you saying that this ugly murderous person was doing less than that in his endeavors ?

Instead of going off into your usual obfuscations and changing the subject and smokescreening, I invite you to discuss this THIS EXAMPLE and tell me the essential difference and why he should have been left to continue this winter in his business of trying to kill me and my daughter - perhaps not you intentionally although you may drive a car and thus qualify for the treatment in his judgement

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I'll certainly peruse that, as well, thank you! My forte is international law, which is the area I've been examining since the US military killed US citizens in a foreign country after the court of that country, of which at least one was also a citizen, convicted him. I'm still looking, but I am very doubtful that there is precedent for this is our law, but it may be found elsewhere.

Have you evaluated the response by GREGORY S. MCNEAL ?

Pay particular attention to this.... “since al-Awlaki is allegedly a traitor accused of adhering to and giving comfort to the nation’s enemies, the Constitution establishes that he can only be executed after a conviction in an Article III court on the testimony of two witnesses to his overt act of treason…” This passage could mean that if the only charge against al-Awlaki is that he is a traitor, then the only means by which that charge can be resolved is through an Article III court, subject to the Constitutional requirements for convicting one of treason. If that is Alford’s claim I have no qualms with it.

Other detractors of Alford's essay have used specious logic to undermine his claims....like the ridiculous Gedanken conceptual questions about a terrorist on the steps of the white house with an RPG- obviously covered quite well by layers of criminal law.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Alan, please pay attention. I haven't said it was unconstitutional, but it is definitively different from a cop killing and from Waco.

You are SO wrong to say this was unconstitutional.

Differentiate it from a normal constitutional Police killing

Differentiate it from WACO

You cant. I am the first to protest unlawful actions by authority (rendition, torture etc) but this was TOTALLY constitutional or all killings by Police EVER were unconstitutional

It was so constitutional that it was fine as Police action, let alone a military one

When a kidnapper comes out of a bank with his gun to the head of a hostage, the police marksman kills him without further ado.

Legal and constitutional

Are you saying that this ugly murderous person was doing less than that in his endeavors ?

Instead of going off into your usual obfuscations and changing the subject and smokescreening, I invite you to discuss this THIS EXAMPLE and tell me the essential difference and why he should have been left to continue this winter in his business of trying to kill me and my daughter - perhaps not you intentionally although you may drive a car and thus qualify for the treatment in his judgement

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Just how many of our men and women are expendable in trying to capture these people ?

How many military families are we prepared to see parentless in order to sweet talk him to come back club class to the USA ?

We don't ask our Police to do it - we say if the guy is armed and dangerous and intent on murder, then shoot him - its legal, its constitutional and happens in the USA all the time

This guy with his gang, were armed, dangerous, wanted for murder and intent on more murder

If its good enough for 17 year old Curtis Mandela Shakasha Washington in Chicago on a Saturday night, its good enough for this guy

jeez how can I fly easy to the UK (and my daughter fly to the US) when all these people on VJ are feeling so sorry at a particularly nasty terrorist being killed ?

He was complicit in all those troops at Ford Hood being killed and stands equally guilty in that - does anyone feel sorry for their families ? ..and if he had been sent an email inviting him to turn himself in, would you have felt bad if his response was to kill another couple dozen Americans ? What would you have said to their families ?

Would it have started with " Well, in theory...." and ended with "He deserved another few months to consider surrendering"

could he not have been captured?

Your pulling one of the those "think of the children" arguments.....meh

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Islamist cleric Anwar Awlaki 'killed in Yemen'

good..more air for me.

[Ban Hammer 13,501]

yay smoke is here!

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

You are SO wrong to say this was unconstitutional.

Differentiate it from a normal constitutional Police killing

Differentiate it from WACO

You cant. I am the first to protest unlawful actions by authority (rendition, torture etc) but this was TOTALLY constitutional or all killings by Police EVER were unconstitutional

It was so constitutional that it was fine as Police action, let alone a military one

When a kidnapper comes out of a bank with his gun to the head of a hostage, the police marksman kills him without further ado.

Legal and constitutional

Are you saying that this ugly murderous person was doing less than that in his endeavors ? Especially give a poster already HAS. One which you ignored.

Instead of going off into your usual obfuscations and changing the subject and smokescreening, I invite you to discuss this THIS EXAMPLE and tell me the essential difference and why he should have been left to continue this winter in his business of trying to kill me and my daughter - perhaps not you intentionally although you may drive a car and thus qualify for the treatment in his judgement

lol you claimed I submitted a non-sequitur yet you continue to use logical fallacies? A poster already gave you examples yet you ignored him/her.

Edited October 2, 2011 by Sousuke

[Sofiyya 1,687]

He doesn't read or respond to most posts on heavy subjects. That's demonstrably clear. We're just props for him to go off on, like it's all about him.

lol you claimed I submitted a non-sequitur yet you continue to use logical fallacies? A poster already gave you examples yet you ignored him/her.

Edited October 2, 2011 by Sofiyya

[james&olya 1,121]

could he not have been captured?

Your pulling one of the those "think of the children" arguments.....meh

How do you capture someone with a pilotless drone?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

How do you capture someone with a pilotless drone?

You don't...you use a helicopter.....its been done...

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

You don't...you use a helicopter.....its been done...

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

You don't...you use a helicopter.....its been done...

The drone found them to be murdering terrorist nut jobs and served justice.

Meet Judge Drone.

[sandinista! 1,816]

zomg, a soldier doing soldiery things! the mind boggles!