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Is the Window Closing on Israel?

By Patrick J. Buchanan

Friday - September 23, 2011

In June 1967, with ex-Vice President Richard Nixon, this writer toured an Israeli military hospital full of wounded Egyptian soldiers.

An Israeli officer told us that in the hospital was an Egyptian officer he had captured in the 1956 Sinai campaign, and that he had asked the Egyptian: "We have fought three times now, and three times you have been defeated. Why do you keep fighting us?"

The Egyptian replied, "You may have defeated us three times, and you may defeat us 11 times. But the 12th time we win."

From that Six-Day War, wise Israelis took away two lessons.

First, they had to remain alert and strong enough to defeat all their neighbors at once. Second, the more important struggle was that they must win the acceptance of the Arab peoples to survive in an Arab sea.

The Israelis were not alert in 1973 when Egypt launched the attack of Yom Kippur that sent their army reeling along the Suez Canal.

President Nixon intervened with a massive airlift to save Israel.

Half a decade later, President Sadat and Menachem Begin agreed at Camp David to a trade of land for peace. Israel would give up all of Sinai captured in 1967 in return for a peace treaty with Cairo.

A treaty with King Hussein of Jordan followed.

Israel was on its way to winning acceptance in the Arab world.

In 1982, after an Israeli diplomat was mortally wounded by an assassin in London, Begin ordered an invasion of Lebanon. Gen. Ariel Sharon swiftly reached the suburbs of Beirut, and Yasser Arafat's PLO was expelled to Tunis.

But as Yitzhak Rabin ruefully conceded, "We let the Shia genie out of the bottle."

In the south of Lebanon, quiescent Shiites had begun to fight the Israeli occupation in militias that came to be known as Hezbollah.

Bled for 18 years, the Israelis withdrew in 2000, leaving Hezbollah dominant in Lebanon.

Perhaps more critically, after the Six-Day War, the Israelis had annexed all of Jerusalem and begun to move settlers into East Jerusalem and onto the West Bank. In 1987 came the First Intifada, an uprising of the Palestinians using sticks and stones. Yet the movement of Israeli settlers continued. From a few thousand in the 1970s, the number has grown to half a million.

Having won peace with Egypt and Jordan, the Israelis began secret negotiations with the Palestinians. In 1994 came the Oslo Accords, an agreement to trade land for peace. As Sadat got back the Sinai by making peace with Israel, Palestinians would get a nation of their own in return for recognizing Israel.

Israel had broken out of her isolation and won acceptance from Egypt, Jordan and even Arafat's PLO.

But in 1995, Prime Minister Rabin, who had won the Nobel Peace Prize for Oslo and had come to believe in the necessity of trading land for peace, was assassinated by an Israeli fanatic determined to prevent any surrender of West Bank land.

When Sharon came to power, he gave up Gaza, but refused to yield on Jerusalem or the West Bank. His successor, Ehud Olmert, like Rabin and Ehud Barak before him, came to believe that Israel had to give up the West Bank for peace, or she would never know peace.

But Olmert failed to negotiate that peace.

Looking back, Israel has prevailed in all her wars, from the War of Independence, to the Sinai campaign, to the Six-Day and Yom Kippur wars, to the 1982 invasion of Lebanon, to the first and second intifadas, the Lebanon War of 2006 and the Gaza War of 2008.

But today Israel is more isolated than she has ever been, and the prospects are bleak that she can break out of this isolation.

Hamas rules Gaza. Hezbollah rules Lebanon. The Turks have turned hostile. The Palestinian Authority has given up on Barack Obama and is demanding a state from the Security Council and U.N. General Assembly. Israel's partner in Egypt, Hosni Mubarak, is gone. The Israeli embassy in Cairo has been sacked. Mobs in Amman have sought to do the same.

George W. Bush was persuaded by neocons that an invasion of Iraq would start the dominoes of Arab tyranny falling and usher in an era of pro-Western democracies in the region.

Not quite. The Arab Spring that followed the U.S. invasion by a decade is bringing down the despots but also unleashing the demons of ethnonationalism and Islamic fundamentalism that are anti-American and anti-Zionist.

Israel's great patron, America, is in retreat from the region, with her army in Iraq home by year's end and her autocratic allies down in Egypt and Tunisia and tottering in Bahrain and Yemen.

By 2050, Palestinians west of the Jordan will outnumber Israelis two to one. Syria, Jordan and Egypt, which had 40 million people at the time of the Six-Day War, will have 170 million. Militarily, Israel remains dominant, but neither time nor demography seems to be on her side.

And Arab acceptance seems more distant than ever.

SOURCE: http://buchanan.org/blog/is-the-window-closing-on-israel-4881

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If that article is correct, then it would be in Israels best interest to annihilate her neighbors while she can. Last time she could have taken Damascus and Cairo but she held back. Next time maybe she should just wipe them all off the map so she doesn't have to worry about getting invaded.

And Jerusalem should be the capital of Israel seeing how it was Jewish to begin with.

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Is the Window Closing on Israel?

By Patrick J. Buchanan

Friday - September 23, 2011

In June 1967, with ex-Vice President Richard Nixon, this writer toured an Israeli military hospital full of wounded Egyptian soldiers.

An Israeli officer told us that in the hospital was an Egyptian officer he had captured in the 1956 Sinai campaign, and that he had asked the Egyptian: "We have fought three times now, and three times you have been defeated. Why do you keep fighting us?"

The Egyptian replied, "You may have defeated us three times, and you may defeat us 11 times. But the 12th time we win."

From that Six-Day War, wise Israelis took away two lessons.

First, they had to remain alert and strong enough to defeat all their neighbors at once. Second, the more important struggle was that they must win the acceptance of the Arab peoples to survive in an Arab sea.

The Israelis were not alert in 1973 when Egypt launched the attack of Yom Kippur that sent their army reeling along the Suez Canal.

President Nixon intervened with a massive airlift to save Israel.

Half a decade later, President Sadat and Menachem Begin agreed at Camp David to a trade of land for peace. Israel would give up all of Sinai captured in 1967 in return for a peace treaty with Cairo.

A treaty with King Hussein of Jordan followed.

Israel was on its way to winning acceptance in the Arab world.

In 1982, after an Israeli diplomat was mortally wounded by an assassin in London, Begin ordered an invasion of Lebanon. Gen. Ariel Sharon swiftly reached the suburbs of Beirut, and Yasser Arafat's PLO was expelled to Tunis.

But as Yitzhak Rabin ruefully conceded, "We let the Shia genie out of the bottle."

In the south of Lebanon, quiescent Shiites had begun to fight the Israeli occupation in militias that came to be known as Hezbollah.

Bled for 18 years, the Israelis withdrew in 2000, leaving Hezbollah dominant in Lebanon.

Perhaps more critically, after the Six-Day War, the Israelis had annexed all of Jerusalem and begun to move settlers into East Jerusalem and onto the West Bank. In 1987 came the First Intifada, an uprising of the Palestinians using sticks and stones. Yet the movement of Israeli settlers continued. From a few thousand in the 1970s, the number has grown to half a million.

Having won peace with Egypt and Jordan, the Israelis began secret negotiations with the Palestinians. In 1994 came the Oslo Accords, an agreement to trade land for peace. As Sadat got back the Sinai by making peace with Israel, Palestinians would get a nation of their own in return for recognizing Israel.

Israel had broken out of her isolation and won acceptance from Egypt, Jordan and even Arafat's PLO.

But in 1995, Prime Minister Rabin, who had won the Nobel Peace Prize for Oslo and had come to believe in the necessity of trading land for peace, was assassinated by an Israeli fanatic determined to prevent any surrender of West Bank land.

When Sharon came to power, he gave up Gaza, but refused to yield on Jerusalem or the West Bank. His successor, Ehud Olmert, like Rabin and Ehud Barak before him, came to believe that Israel had to give up the West Bank for peace, or she would never know peace.

But Olmert failed to negotiate that peace.

Looking back, Israel has prevailed in all her wars, from the War of Independence, to the Sinai campaign, to the Six-Day and Yom Kippur wars, to the 1982 invasion of Lebanon, to the first and second intifadas, the Lebanon War of 2006 and the Gaza War of 2008.

But today Israel is more isolated than she has ever been, and the prospects are bleak that she can break out of this isolation.

Hamas rules Gaza. Hezbollah rules Lebanon. The Turks have turned hostile. The Palestinian Authority has given up on Barack Obama and is demanding a state from the Security Council and U.N. General Assembly. Israel's partner in Egypt, Hosni Mubarak, is gone. The Israeli embassy in Cairo has been sacked. Mobs in Amman have sought to do the same.

George W. Bush was persuaded by neocons that an invasion of Iraq would start the dominoes of Arab tyranny falling and usher in an era of pro-Western democracies in the region.

Not quite. The Arab Spring that followed the U.S. invasion by a decade is bringing down the despots but also unleashing the demons of ethnonationalism and Islamic fundamentalism that are anti-American and anti-Zionist.

Israel's great patron, America, is in retreat from the region, with her army in Iraq home by year's end and her autocratic allies down in Egypt and Tunisia and tottering in Bahrain and Yemen.

By 2050, Palestinians west of the Jordan will outnumber Israelis two to one. Syria, Jordan and Egypt, which had 40 million people at the time of the Six-Day War, will have 170 million. Militarily, Israel remains dominant, but neither time nor demography seems to be on her side.

And Arab acceptance seems more distant than ever.

SOURCE: http://buchanan.org/...-on-israel-4881

Israel may want peace but will not do what they need to do to get it. America backs anything Israel wants to do.

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Israel may want peace but will not do what they need to do to get it. America backs anything Israel wants to do.

Your not getting it. No matter what Israel does it will not bring peace. Arabs won't be happy until there is no Israel. If you think any different than you have a lot to learn about the thinking of the typical Muslim Arab living in the middle east. If Israel were to give up every bit of land to the Arabs other than a 10 mile by 10 mile stretch that they called "Israel" the Arabs would want that also. They don't want an Israel period.

When the Jews say it's us or them they aren't joking. You can read all the bs propaganda about the Gaza freedom flotilla for food, etc.. and how there's so many moderate Muslims there...but it's total bs. Don't buy into that ####### for one minute. Again if it were up to the Arabs there would be no Israel and the entire middle east would be Muslim.

The best thing the Jews can do is wait once more for the Arabs to attack them and then clean house...from Amman, to Damascus, to Cairo and all parts in between.

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Mass slaughter as being the best thing Israel can do. Classy and insightful as always kip.

Instead of posting your usual no nothing comments on here, why don't you actually contribute something to a thread for once.

What should Israel do? If they lay back and do nothing they are looking at getting annihilated off the face of the map. It would be a mass slaughter and it wouldn't be the fist time the Arabs slaughtered the Jews. Not by a long shot.

This is about survival. Life or death.

Now either post something on here worth two sh*ts or don't post.

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Flippant armchair comments about the supposedly deserved annihilation of millions are contemptible. A lot more so than self righteous ego trips about forum etiquette.

There you go again. Instead of contributing to this thread, you post your usual drivel.

So what should Israel do to avoid being wiped off the face of the map? Come on let's see you post something on it. Contribute something to this forum for once. I know you can do it if you try. Don't let me down. I have faith in you.

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If that article is correct, then it would be in Israels best interest to annihilate her neighbors while she can. Last time she could have taken Damascus and Cairo but she held back. Next time maybe she should just wipe them all off the map so she doesn't have to worry about getting invaded.

Is English your native language, and if so, do you ever refer to any other country as "she" ?

And Jerusalem should be the capital of Israel seeing how it was Jewish to begin with.

Um.... no. Jerusalem was originally a Canaanite city. Jerusalem is also mentioned in the tablets of Amarna which pre-date Judaism - it was known to the Egyptians as "Ursalim" or "the foundation of Salem."

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Is English your native language, and if so, do you ever refer to any other country as "she" ?

Um.... no. Jerusalem was originally a Canaanite city. Jerusalem is also mentioned in the tablets of Amarna which pre-date Judaism - it was known to the Egyptians as "Ursalim" or "the foundation of Salem."

All of Israel, West Bank, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, everything to the Jordan River belong to the Jews. These so called Palestinians are not. They are Arab-muslims from Arabia or Egypt or Turkey. They only started calling themselves Palestinians since May 28, 1964. Before then, it was an insult to a muslim to be called a Palestinian. These Arab-muslims lost all claim to the land in 1918 at the end of WW1. Mulslims fought for Germany and the Axis powers. At the end of WW1, the majority of the population was Jewish not muslim. There are two reasons muslims are in the area, first the muslims conquered the area by force in 636 AD, by bloodshed, brutality, a three siege, a slaughter of 35,000 Jews and Byzantine Christians outside the Citadel gates. The second reason is the Zionist movement got started around 1870 when Jews started buying the land from the Turks. By 1890, the Jews were prosperous and needed workers and invited the Arab muslims in and offered them jobs. The Turks got so alarmed at the success of the Jews they stopped selling land to them around 1900. Read and study history.

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All of Israel, West Bank, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, everything to the Jordan River belong to the Jews. These so called Palestinians are not. They are Arab-muslims from Arabia or Egypt or Turkey. They only started calling themselves Palestinians since May 28, 1964. Before then, it was an insult to a muslim to be called a Palestinian. These Arab-muslims lost all claim to the land in 1918 at the end of WW1. Mulslims fought for Germany and the Axis powers. At the end of WW1, the majority of the population was Jewish not muslim. There are two reasons muslims are in the area, first the muslims conquered the area by force in 636 AD, by bloodshed, brutality, a three siege, a slaughter of 35,000 Jews and Byzantine Christians outside the Citadel gates. The second reason is the Zionist movement got started around 1870 when Jews started buying the land from the Turks. By 1890, the Jews were prosperous and needed workers and invited the Arab muslims in and offered them jobs. The Turks got so alarmed at the success of the Jews they stopped selling land to them around 1900. Read and study history.

Your entire post has no relation to fact or history. Take your own advice, instead of cutting and pasting from Masada.org.

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66 years of forced exile and dispossession


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Where'd you get that pile of bile from, Kip?

All of Israel, West Bank, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, everything to the Jordan River belong to the Jews. These so called Palestinians are not. They are Arab-muslims from Arabia or Egypt or Turkey. They only started calling themselves Palestinians since May 28, 1964. Before then, it was an insult to a muslim to be called a Palestinian. These Arab-muslims lost all claim to the land in 1918 at the end of WW1. Mulslims fought for Germany and the Axis powers. At the end of WW1, the majority of the population was Jewish not muslim. There are two reasons muslims are in the area, first the muslims conquered the area by force in 636 AD, by bloodshed, brutality, a three siege, a slaughter of 35,000 Jews and Byzantine Christians outside the Citadel gates. The second reason is the Zionist movement got started around 1870 when Jews started buying the land from the Turks. By 1890, the Jews were prosperous and needed workers and invited the Arab muslims in and offered them jobs. The Turks got so alarmed at the success of the Jews they stopped selling land to them around 1900. Read and study history.

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Where'd you get that pile of bile from, Kip?

It was a post on yahoo in reference to that new housing complex in the east side of Jerusalem. It looked good, so I borrowed it. :devil:

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