Muslims seek Israeli converts

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In the US, an estimated 1200 women are killed by their spouse or partner each year.

That's 10 good MSBs (Muslim suicide bombings)

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That's 10 good MSBs (Muslim suicide bombings)

or a few drone attacks' taking out 400 or so innocent civilians for every target hit. but what does that have to do with domestic violence?

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utter nonsense. rana husseini does more for women in one afternoon than your armchair bigotry that you try to pass off as "concern" for muslim women who have been or may be victims of violence.

http://www.ranahusseini.com/

Still no rejection of any part of the Qur'an that demands honor killings ?

Until a Moslem rejects that part of their holy book, all their words are as nothing

They will not do that and it is noticed by people in the West. It stands out on these forums like a sore thumb. It is dishonest to avoid the question. They will NEVER reject ANY part of the Qur'an and they think that not addressing the subject is not noticed by westerners.

It is

Instead, they post huge rambling articles that tries to hide their blind unswerving adherence to EVERY part of the Muslim holy

book

They are INCAPABLE of denying any part of the Qur'an no matter what horrors it demands and they think they can throw us off the scent with sidetracking

Note that no Moslem has every criticized any part of the Qur'an EVER on these forums. They cannot.

Edited September 30, 2011 by Alan the Red

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Still no rejection of any part of the Qur'an that demands honor killings ?

Until a Moslem rejects that part of their holy book, all their words are as nothing

They will not do that and it is noticed by people in the West. It stands out on these forums like a sore thumb. It is dishonest to avoid the question. They will NEVER reject ANY part of the Qur'an and they think that not addressing the subject is not noticed by westerners.

It is

Instead, they post huge rambling articles that tries to hide their blind unswerving adherence to EVERY part of the Muslim holy

book

They are INCAPABLE of denying any part of the Qur'an no matter what horrors it demands and they think they can throw us off the scent with sidetracking

Note that no Moslem has every criticized any part of the Qur'an EVER on these forums. They cannot.

i just posted links earlier, that also affirm that no part of islam condones or says anything remotely approaching an "honor killing" is ever, ever ok. it simply goes without saying, aside from the few ridiculous holdouts like yourself who insist you know islam better than those who practice it.

there is nothing to criticize the quran there with, because it says no such thing about it ever being hunky dory to commit an honor crime.

Edited September 30, 2011 by sandinista!

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and what's seriously sticking out like a sore thumb is your blatant ingnorance in regards to any of these issues, despite having it explained over and over and over again, to no avail.

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One about an Islamophobe favorite. This is too good not to post here.

Islamophobes Build Faux Memorial for Muslim Victims on Land that Muslims Cannot Own

Posted on 03 September 2011 by Rousseau

Aqsa Parvez

We here at Loon Watch have documented many of the perverse and reprehensible statements of those in the Islamophobic blogosphere. However, sometimes these loons take their disgusting behavior and rhetoric to another level. It is safe to say that these loons have a burning hatred in their hearts for Muslims and the religion of Islam, despite their hollow claims to the contrary (Pamela Geller claiming that she “loves Muslims” or Robert Spencer being pushed to say that Islam molds its followers to be moral and upright individuals).

Previously, Geller and Spencer attempted to exploit the Rifqa Bary incident to their advantage. However, their ridiculous claims that the girl’s life was in danger were dispelled by law enforcement who told all sane individuals that the parents were cooperating and posed no threat to young Rifqa. Despite the police’s claims to the contrary, the loons continued to use Rifqa’s situation to promote their hate fest against Islam and Muslims.

So it is nauseating to read that bigots like Geller and Spencer have decided to “honor” a Muslim girl named Aqsa Parvez who was murdered in 2008 by her father for not practicing her faith the way her father wanted. Geller used the opportunity to exploit the murder of this young Muslim girl for her anti-Muslim agenda by creating a “memorial” in Aqsa’s honor. In reality, it is nothing but a monument symbolizing “everything that is wrong with Islam” in the mind of Pamela Geller. She is weaponizing a young girl’s grave site.

Geller raised money, asking her anti-Muslim fans to support the erection of a headstone at the site of Aqsa Parvez’s grave in Canada. “All was going according to plan,” says Geller, until Aqsa’s family refused to use such a headstone from her. What is amazing is that Geller didn’t seem to anticipate this, and instead raised $5,000 from her supporters anyways. One wonders why she is so incredulous: does it take a rocket scientist to figure out why a Muslim family wouldn’t want to erect an anti-Muslim headstone on their daughter’s grave site? A headstone funded by people who absolutely hate their religion?

Says Geller further: “The family (yes, the family that murdered her) had refused to ‘sign off’ on the headstone.” The family didn’t kill Aqsa Parvez. Her father and brother did. They are both serving life sentences for her murder. I seriously doubt they had any legal say in what is placed on Aqsa’s grave. It was likely the mother who decided against using such a headstone. One could hardly expect her to do otherwise, considering she is Muslim herself.

It is even doubtful that Aqsa Parvez herself would support the headstone. It is quite possible, even probable, that Aqsa would renounce her self-proclaimed benefactor Pamela Geller. Based on what we know, Aqsa was most likely still a Muslim, and never renounced her religion altogether. Why would she want to associate herself with people who vilify her own religion and all its adherents? Like many young Muslims, she might simply have been rebelling against a strict interpretation of Islam–a firebrand, conservative form of it. Why is it a given that she rejected the entire religion of Islam, as Geller et al. would imagine?

After being rebuffed by the family, Geller shopped around for a place to erect a memorial and finally decided upon Israel. Writes Geller:

I approached the JNF and worked to plant the Aqsa Parvez Grove in American Independence Park in Jerusalem, Israel, where the plaque before the grove will read: “In Loving Memory of Aqsa Parvez and All Victims of Honor Killings Worldwide.

The irony of the location perfectly encapsulates the absurdity of the whole thing. The JNF, the Jewish National Fund, is a quasi-governmental organization in Israel that does not sell land to non-Jews, certainly not to Muslims. Indeed, the JNF has been at the forefront of stripping Muslims of any land rights in the state of Israel. Quite literally then, the “memorial” for Aqsa Parvez is built on land that she herself could never own. She could not own her own “memorial.”

But of course that was the point. The choice of Israel was intended to be especially inflammatory. With very good reason, no country earns the ire of Muslims more than Israel, which illegally occupies and oppresses its Muslim population. Choosing Israel as the site for this “memorial” is meant to give the Muslim world the middle finger. It would be like the KKK selecting apartheid-era South Africa as the site to erect a “memorial” to honor victims of black-on-black violence during the 1960′s. Nobody would take the KKK’s “memorial” seriously, and everyone would know that they don’t give two damns about the black victims. The point would be to vilify black people, not honor them. Likewise, the “memorial” for Muslim victims is not meant to honor them but vilify Muslims.

The idea of career anti-Muslim bigots creating a “memorial” for Muslim victims is truly a laughable notion and people should see through the thin fog of bigotry on display. This faux memorial is a sadistic propaganda attempt by Geller and Spencer to exploit the death of a young girl for their agenda to link a disgusting crime to Islam and Muslims.

Edited September 30, 2011 by Sofiyya

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In the US, more than a million unwanted children are killed a year.

Cut the #######. Were those deaths due to religious wing nuts? Any honor killing done in the states is big news and you would read about it.

My ex wife's step dad who is a Kiwi spent over a year in Egypt and UAE ...work related. The story's he told me would make the hair on your head stand up.

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and what's seriously sticking out like a sore thumb is your blatant ingnorance in regards to any of these issues, despite having it explained over and over and over again, to no avail.

If the Qur'an makes no such requirements, where do they perps get the idea to stone/amputate/throat cut ?

Isn't it a bit of a coincidence that all this takes place in Moslem countries where the common factor is Islam ?

Why don't the English/Americans etc do this if is nothing to do with Islam.

I have been in the markets in Jeddah and seen the amputees. It is on telly (prime time) with a doctor supervising the amputations.

You are simply denying something that the whole world knows is happening in Saudi and the Sudan and northern Nigeria and lots of places - the one common factor ? Islam.

Deny it all you want, you must think the western audience are as gullible as the victims of Nigerian scams - they are not

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Apparently, facts are useless to you, Alan. You reject faith, and that's your choice, but that doesn't excuse you from knowing what you're talking about when you inject yourself into a discussion about faith (not that you're alone in doing so).

Still no rejection of any part of the Qur'an that demands honor killings ?

Until a Moslem rejects that part of their holy book, all their words are as nothing

They will not do that and it is noticed by people in the West. It stands out on these forums like a sore thumb. It is dishonest to avoid the question. They will NEVER reject ANY part of the Qur'an and they think that not addressing the subject is not noticed by westerners.

It is

Instead, they post huge rambling articles that tries to hide their blind unswerving adherence to EVERY part of the Muslim holy

book

They are INCAPABLE of denying any part of the Qur'an no matter what horrors it demands and they think they can throw us off the scent with sidetracking

Note that no Moslem has every criticized any part of the Qur'an EVER on these forums. They cannot.

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Apparently, facts are useless to you, Alan. You reject faith, and that's your choice, but that doesn't excuse you from knowing what you're talking about when you inject yourself into a discussion about faith (not that you're alone in doing so).

You should talk to Allah (that invisible mute being that is everywhere at all times with infinite kindness/intelligence/power). Ask Her to give us some of Her knowledge. Use the Power of Prayer™. You know, think inside your brain and She will hear you and grant your wishes.

Edited September 30, 2011 by Lord Infamous

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No, those deaths are due to without religion wing nuts. Westerners commit honor killings, but they're rarely called that.

Cut the #######. Were those deaths due to religious wing nuts? Any honor killing done in the states is big news and you would read about it.

Sayd Qutb had some hair raising stories to tell when he returned to Egypt after spending some time in Greeley, Colorado. An exaggeration of the reality, to say the least, in both cases, no doubt.

My ex wife's step dad who is a Kiwi spent over a year in Egypt and UAE ...work related. The story's he told me would make the hair on your head stand up.

Edited September 30, 2011 by Sofiyya

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Sayd Qutb had some hair raising stories to tell when he returned to Egypt after spending some time in Greeley, Colorado. An exaggeration of the reality, to say the least, in both cases, no doubt.

I could tell a story or two from time spent in San Francisco within the last 12 months that would scare the ####### out of of any Kiwi.

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I could tell a story or two from time spent in San Francisco within the last 12 months that would scare the ####### out of of any Kiwi.

That's so funny, coz my husband is still traumatized by a recent visit there

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That's so funny, coz my husband is still traumatized by a recent visit there

Fun link

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Apparently, facts are useless to you, Alan. You reject faith, and that's your choice, but that doesn't excuse you from knowing what you're talking about when you inject yourself into a discussion about faith (not that you're alone in doing so).

I don't need to be a Muslim or a Christian to say that stoning/amputations/throat cutting are wrong - and any religious book which advocates it is wrong and that part of the book should be rejected by everyone including you

Would you agree with that ? No ?

Christians have moved on and now reject 'an eye for an eye' - so why can't Moslems reject any part of their book that advocates cruelty ?

I am told on this forum that the Qur'an does not contain any physical punishments and I am sceptical of that because these punishments appear in so many Muslim countries while Muslim posters on here say that's just a coincidence

I don't believe it, though I would need an objective scholar to quote from the Qur'an and prove it or an honest Muslim to admit that these things are included

I reject cruelty, and I don't care if you worship one legged elephants or long dead Saudis or long for bus loads of virgins so long as it doesn't involve cruel punishments encouraged by your holy book.