Muslims seek Israeli converts

[Captain Oates 911]

I've done that in Muslim countries, too. My head is still there.

That's because your dad didn't discover any hanky panky - otherwise you would have got the Bradford treatment

[Sofiyya 1,687]

What is my obligation to answer them? It has nothing to do with Islam and I'm not responsible for all Muslims and what they do.

Do you think I am?

Rather than hide in the smoke, why don't you comment on the daughter killing antics of British Muslims and the link I posted ?

If you actually faced up to and discussed these things, you would gain more cred

You never do - you dive into the nearest cloud like a politician and people know all about them and their disingenuous ways

What do you think of honour (honor) killings of daughters by Muslim fathers in western countries ?

Well ?

[ready4ONE 5,400]

The "truth" likely lies somewhere in between.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Also feel free to answer these questions at some point. No rush.

He asked:

which branch of Islam do you belong to?

how big is it in the Islamic world?

what do they believe?

what are their beliefs regarding homosexuals?

would you feel comfortable walking down the street there with a sign that said 'Homosexuals are people too'?

Why am I supposed to answer these?

Says the man who has never set foot in Israel and gets his information from the wife of Mahmoud and other Palestinian propaganda sources.

As opposed to where you get your propaganda

[Sofiyya 1,687]

They may introduce you to the butt end of a rifle, then do a cavity search with a cattle prod on the way to the airport.

It is so obvious that the regulars of the "Israel can do no wrong" crowd can't bring themselves to read valid information about Israel that contradicts their paradigm. It would make their heads explode, so they simply IGNORE IT, and continue to spout the same sorry a$$ platitudes. Being lame and not knowing it is a curse

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Next time try walking around with a Mohammed cartoon poster and let us know what happens.

[Captain Oates 911]

What is my obligation to answer them? It has nothing to do with Islam and I'm not responsible for all Muslims and what they do.

Do you think I am?

Your refusal to criticize any Muslim at any time, automatically excuses their behavior. The reason why these habits continue is that no Muslims stand up and say that it is always wrong to cut your daughters throat - no matter what the circumstances or in which country you live - and that if any part of the Qur'an supports that behavior, or amputations or stoning, then the Qur'an is wrong to do so.

You will never say that, you are literally unable to say that, and that is why the Muslim faith is unacceptable to westerners

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

It is so obvious that the regulars of the "Israel can do no wrong" crowd can't bring themselves to read valid information about Israel that contradicts their paradigm. It would make their heads explode, so they simply IGNORE IT, and continue to spout the same sorry a$$ platitudes. Being lame and not knowing it is a curse

Those are the same folks that say Israel is the model of how TSA should function in the US.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Your refusal to criticize any Muslim at any time, automatically excuses their behavior. The reason why these habits continue is that no Muslims stand up and say that it is always wrong to cut your daughters throat - no matter what the circumstances or in which country you live - and that if any part of the Qur'an supports that behavior, or amputations or stoning, then the Qur'an is wrong to do so.

You will never say that, you are literally unable to say that, and that is why the Muslim faith is unacceptable to westerners

Lots of people, including Muslims, decry child killing of any sort by anyone. It's your responsibility, not mine, to be aware of that. It's not about Islam, so it's not limited to Muslims to speak out. It's your stupid media sources that give you the impression that everything any Muslim does wrong is about Islam.

Notice that they don't do that when atheists kill their kids. No headlines saying "Godless Heathen Slits Daughter's Throat". It's just something that non-Muslims so often, it's not even sensational anymore.

Edited September 30, 2011 by Sofiyya

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Lots of people, including Muslims, decry child killing of any sort by anyone. It's your responsibility, not mine, to be aware of that. It's not about Islam, so it's not limited to Muslims to speak out. It's your stupid media sources that give you the impression that everything any Muslim does wrong is about Islam.

Notice that they don't do that when atheists kill their kids. No headlines saying "Godless Heathen Slits Daughter's Throat". It's just something that non-Muslims so often, it's not even sensational anymore.

In the small country of Jordan, there were 48 reported cases last year of honor killings. And the article I read said that was the lowest number they have seen since they started keeping track of it back in the '90s. That's just one small country.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

In the small country of Jordan, there were 48 reported cases last year of honor killings. And the article I read said that was the lowest number they have seen since they started keeping track of it back in the '90s. That's just one small country.

Do you believe that there are no "honor killings" in other faith communities, including Christian and Jewish communities?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

In the small country of Jordan, there were 48 reported cases last year of honor killings. And the article I read said that was the lowest number they have seen since they started keeping track of it back in the '90s. That's just one small country.

In the US, more than a million unwanted children are killed a year.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

In the US, more than a million unwanted children are killed a year.

In the US, they actually celebrate the "choice" to kill babies. It's "honorable" and expected to kill inconvenient children here.

[sandinista! 1,816]

living in a country where just a few months ago a man was beaten so savagely that he had to have half of his skull removed and was in a medically induced coma for weeks, all because he wore the wrong baseball team gear to a baseball game, i wouldn't get too smug about the seriously f-ed up things that all kinds of human beings inflict on each other everywhere.

Geller and Spencer show little interest in similar crimes when they are committed by non-Muslims. A few months before Aqsa Parvez was killed, a gruesome video surfaced of a 17-year old Du’a Khalil Aswad in Mosul, Iraq being stoned to death by a mob while she cried out for help. The video garnered immediate attention when it was presumed to be an “Islamic” crime, but quickly dropped out of the spotlight when it turned out the victim was a Kurdish girl from the Yazidi religion who was killed for having an Arab Muslim boyfriend.

In 2008, a man in Chicago killed his pregnant daughter, her 3-year old child, and her husband by burning down their home because she had married a man from a lower caste. This horrific crime was ignored by the usual hate brigade because the perpetrator was a non-Muslim immigrant from India. Robert Spencer mentioned the case on Jihadwatch only briefly, and that was to complain that media attention should be going to the murder of the Said sisters instead.

"islamic" honor killlings and crocodile tears

Islamophobes portray honor killings as a special kind of evil that is unique to Islam, and greatly exaggerate the prevalence of these crimes. Atlas Shrugs, Jihad Watch, and Frontpage Magazine rarely miss an opportunity use the phrase “Islamic honor killing,” which has joined “creeping sharia” and “stealth jihad” in an endless parade of misleading slogans and catchphrases. All of these themes converge in paranoid conspiracy theories about Muslims taking over and imposing barbarism in the Western world.

Most of their arguments depend on casual acceptance and do not stand up to scrutiny. With the help of some grade school math, relevant facts, and a healthy dose of global context, it is fairly easy to set the record straight.

The term “honor killing” was not coined by Islamophobes, even though it serves their agenda well. Many human rights organizations track honor killings as a subcategory of homicides or femicides (killing of women). For our purposes, that’s a good thing because it allows us to refute the idea of widespread honor killings using statistics from credible sources.

The United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) estimates there are 5,000 murders classified as honor killings each year worldwide, and they are not all perpetrated by Muslims. To put that into perspective, consider that the World Health Organization says there are over half a million annual homicides in the world. Using basic math, we can conclude that honor killings make up less than 1% of all murders.

If 1% of the world’s Muslims perpetrated an honor crime each year, we could project at least 1 million incidents. The number is far lower, and leaves 99.99% of the Muslim population innocent of this crime. Why should all Muslims be indicted for the actions of a negligible minority?

Pamela Geller says, “over 90% of honor killings worldwide are Islamic,” and Robert Spencer quotes the exact figure at 91%. Spencer links to an article on the Middle East Forum as the source of this statistic. This is an anti-Muslim propaganda site founded by Daniel Pipes, and the article there is authored by Phyllis Chesler, who is yet another rabid Islamophobe.

Chesler quotes the same estimate of 5,000 annual honor killings worldwide, but she says the true number is “much greater.” “Definitive or reliable worldwide estimates of honor killing incidence do not exist,” she concedes, yet she is somehow certain the the number is much greater.

She cites a study of the media throughout her article, which found, “there were 100 victims murdered for honor in the West, including 33 in North America and 67 in Europe.” Taking her study at face value, do you think 33 honor killings constitutes an epidemic? Stinging insects kill more than 40 people each year in the US, which is more than the number of honor killings Chesler reported over the course of her study for all of North America. Chesler says, “to combat the epidemic [emphasis mine] of honor killings requires understanding what makes these murders unique.”

In the US, an estimated 1200 women are killed by their spouse or partner each year. Chesler herself states that, “In the non-immigrant West, serious domestic violence exists which includes incest, child abuse, marital rape, marital battering, marital stalking, and marital post-battering femicide.” Yet for some reason, she feels it is more important to focus on the unique nature of honor killings than to address the broader issue of violence in her own country. honor killings: the epidemic that isn't

[sandinista! 1,816]

Your refusal to criticize any Muslim at any time, automatically excuses their behavior. The reason why these habits continue is that no Muslims stand up and say that it is always wrong to cut your daughters throat - no matter what the circumstances or in which country you live - and that if any part of the Qur'an supports that behavior, or amputations or stoning, then the Qur'an is wrong to do so.

You will never say that, you are literally unable to say that, and that is why the Muslim faith is unacceptable to westerners

utter nonsense. rana husseini does more for women in one afternoon than your armchair bigotry that you try to pass off as "concern" for muslim women who have been or may be victims of violence.

http://www.ranahusseini.com/