California's SB 185: Colleges To Use Race/Gender As Part of Admissions Process.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I wouldn't call it racial discrimination anymore than by them not accepting a representative number across racial lines. It goes both ways. Accept 20% hispanics if your state is 20% hispanic and people cry wolf. Accept 5% hispanics if your state is 20% hispanics and the other side cries wolf. Bottom line, states should choose what they want. I think hiring more blacks and hispanics is more signficant to the growth of our societies as a whole. Don't get me wrong, I care about me and really only me when it comes to my finances, but could you imagine a country where only whites and asians got into all the top 50 universities and the blacks and hispanics were all left out? Where would we be in 20 years. Our nation would be so crime-ridden it aint fuuny.

I don't think it sets the students up for failure. I think many will fail, but many will succeed. At least give them the opportunity. If given the opportunity they will have no one to blame but themself (even if they had no shot in hell at making it at Harvard from the get-go.)

Trial lawyers? Puuuhlllleease. Why should a state have to even concern themselves with the impact of what trial lawyers will think. That in itself is more reason that this bill is so right. Don't get me wrong. I believe in survival of the fittest, and it sucks to be white and not be in the top 10% of your graduating class when 80% of your student body is white because that white male or female will get left out of the mix in going to their state university. On the other hand, there are many other fine universities out there that will take that white male who is in the 2nd quarter. I'm all for as many minorities getting into good universities as possible simply to alleviate the potential future racial uprisings and to give everyone a chance to succeed.

Grades.... it should be entirely dependent on grades.

[SuperDuper! 230]

You're saying that Kip.

I'm saying that homosexuals are regular people, not some underground secret society.

The Pikester is a real Chameleon. But his political stance gives him away every time!

[Danno 1,228]

Just had to get a slur in, nice Danno, you really are classy.

My question to you Danno, are you really that afraid that gay people will be accepted as equal citizens?

-Not a slur Bro, just a friendly poke in the ribs.

- Why are so damn afraid of anyone, or any idea which does not fit you progressive idea that Gay-sex is normal and worthy of tax money to celebrate it?

What people do in their private lives is not really meaningful to me, but the thing which does make me speak up, is when I (HEAR ME NOW)

am expected to pretend something is right when I know it to be wrong, something is normal when it's not... and the vast majority of people agree with me....... rather than you and your novel trend.

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As to Gay dominated STD's

CDC Analysis Provides New Look at Disproportionate Impact of HIV and Syphilis Among U.S. Gay and Bisexual Men.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/Newsroom/msmpressrelease.html

As for AIDS, sorry to tell you but that 3% of the population (gay males) still accounts for the vast majority of cases in our Country.

Read and weep.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm#exposure

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I still don't understand why homosexuality is even in this thread...

[Ready to do it 101]

If they were to do it simply on grades your argument fails. Take a 80% predominantly white school, under a top 10% rule there may be 40% of the kids with a weighted gpa over 4.0. Now take a 80% predominantly hispanic school. There may be 10% with a weighted gpa over 4.0.

Under many state guidelines, such as Texas, the top 10% are automatically admitted into Texas state universities. So 1/4 of the white kids that have over a 4.0 get in. Compare that to the predominantly hispanic school, where all the kids who have over a 4.0 get in because only 10% were over a 4.0. It's the other 3/4 of the white kids at the 80% predominatly white school that had over a 4.0 that cry wolf. And they have good reason because if you dig further you will find that "most of those white kids that had a 4.0 or higher are much better educated than the hispanics that got over a 4.0. How can I say that? Simple, look at SAT scores. The mean score of the white kids that have over a 4.0 may be 2000. While maybe a handful, not two handfuls, maybe one handful of the hispanics in that top 10% of their school score a 2000 on the SAT. I just made the argument why schools shouldn't take 10% hispanics, but at the same time I pointed out that grades aren't the solution anyhow.

Regardless, the point I made earlier was simply the point that if we give the hispanics and blacks the opportunity, while it takes away from whites and asians, more hispanics and blacks will be successful... which I believe is a necessity for peace 10, 15, 20 years from now. Many of them may fail, but the ones that don't are the ones we will need to lean on to be the leaders of their races in the future to prevent uprisings.

Grades.... it should be entirely dependent on grades.

[웃 910]

...expected to pretend something is right when I know it to be wrong, something is normal when it's not.

They are born that way

[Obama 2012 1,714]

If they were to do it simply on grades your argument fails. Take a 80% predominantly white school, under a top 10% rule there may be 40% of the kids with a weighted gpa over 4.0. Now take a 80% predominantly hispanic school. There may be 10% with a weighted gpa over 4.0.

Under many state guidelines, such as Texas, the top 10% are automatically admitted into Texas state universities. So 1/4 of the white kids that have over a 4.0 get in. Compare that to the predominantly hispanic school, where all the kids who have over a 4.0 get in because only 10% were over a 4.0. It's the other 3/4 of the white kids at the 80% predominatly white school that had over a 4.0 that cry wolf. And they have good reason because if you dig further you will find that "most of those white kids that had a 4.0 or higher are much better educated than the hispanics that got over a 4.0. How can I say that? Simple, look at SAT scores. The mean score of the white kids that have over a 4.0 may be 2000. While maybe a handful, not two handfuls, maybe one handful of the hispanics in that top 10% of their school score a 2000 on the SAT. I just made the argument why schools shouldn't take 10% hispanics, but at the same time I pointed out that grades aren't the solution anyhow.

Regardless, the point I made earlier was simply the point that if we give the hispanics and blacks the opportunity, while it takes away from whites and asians, more hispanics and blacks will be successful... which I believe is a necessity for peace 10, 15, 20 years from now. Many of them may fail, but the ones that don't are the ones we will need to lean on to be the leaders of their races in the future to prevent uprisings.

You have got to be bullshitting us here.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Great idea. The people with good grades will go elsewhere.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

If they were to do it simply on grades your argument fails. Take a 80% predominantly white school, under a top 10% rule there may be 40% of the kids with a weighted gpa over 4.0. Now take a 80% predominantly hispanic school. There may be 10% with a weighted gpa over 4.0.

Under many state guidelines, such as Texas, the top 10% are automatically admitted into Texas state universities. So 1/4 of the white kids that have over a 4.0 get in. Compare that to the predominantly hispanic school, where all the kids who have over a 4.0 get in because only 10% were over a 4.0. It's the other 3/4 of the white kids at the 80% predominatly white school that had over a 4.0 that cry wolf. And they have good reason because if you dig further you will find that "most of those white kids that had a 4.0 or higher are much better educated than the hispanics that got over a 4.0. How can I say that? Simple, look at SAT scores. The mean score of the white kids that have over a 4.0 may be 2000. While maybe a handful, not two handfuls, maybe one handful of the hispanics in that top 10% of their school score a 2000 on the SAT. I just made the argument why schools shouldn't take 10% hispanics, but at the same time I pointed out that grades aren't the solution anyhow.

Regardless, the point I made earlier was simply the point that if we give the hispanics and blacks the opportunity, while it takes away from whites and asians, more hispanics and blacks will be successful... which I believe is a necessity for peace 10, 15, 20 years from now. Many of them may fail, but the ones that don't are the ones we will need to lean on to be the leaders of their races in the future to prevent uprisings.

Study, work hard, get good grades and score high on your ACT. That's all there is to it. If you choose not to study hard and get good grades, and you flop on your SAT's and ACT then you don't deserve it. Why should someone be punished for studying hard and getting good grades and why should someone else who didn't score good profit?

[Danno 1,228]

Grades.... it should be entirely dependent on grades.

Lets suppose we go another 4 decades and spend billions more trying to close the "achievement gap"

and at that point in time the Experts agree, -Some groups learn more readily than others.

Would you still say there should be no allowance made for those groups which : on the whole, have a more difficult time in their studies?

IOf course what we have today is a failed social fabric, especially in the Black Community, it's not "being Black" which causes nearly 50% of black males to flunk out.. it's their "Black Culture" in 2011.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Lets suppose we go another 4 decades and spend billions more trying to close the "achievement gap"

and at that point in time the Experts agree, -Some groups learn more readily than others.

Would you still say there should be no allowance made for those groups which : on the whole, have a more difficult time in their studies?

IOf course what we have today is a failed social fabric, especially in the Black Community, it's not "being Black" which causes nearly 50% of black males to flunk out.. it's their "Black Culture" in 2011.

Achievement gap my #######. My family came to this country with nothing more than the shirts on their backs. I'm so fkng tired of hearing/reading this ####### about Affirmitive Action, achievement gaps, etc...

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Study, work hard, get good grades and score high on your ACT. That's all there is to it. If you choose not to study hard and get good grades, and you flop on your SAT's and ACT then you don't deserve it. Why should someone be punished for studying hard and getting good grades and why should someone else who didn't score good profit?

Some people are not great test takers?

[Ready to do it 101]

What are you talking about? Who said anything about someone who didn't score "good" profiting. The argument whites and Asians make everyday is that they score better. It does not mean that hispanics and blacks that didn't study hard or didn't score "good" for their race get in. the argument whites and Asians make is that they score better, which is true... you don't really think Harvard, Stanford etc are going to take very many blacks or hispanics that score under 2100 do you? The argument is there are zillions of Asians that score 2300+ so they don't think it's fair that all these blacks in the 2100-2150 range get in. It doesn't mean the blacks and hispanics didn't have to work and study hard to get thier 2100 and get their 4.0 though.

Study, work hard, get good grades and score high on your ACT. That's all there is to it. If you choose not to study hard and get good grades, and you flop on your SAT's and ACT then you don't deserve it. Why should someone be punished for studying hard and getting good grades and why should someone else who didn't score good profit?

About what?

You have got to be bullshitting us here.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Just curious who here took which test ACT /SAT?

[Ready to do it 101]

I honestly don't know much about the ACT vs SAT today. 20+ years ago, the only kids I knew that took the ACT were the kids in the bottom quarter. ie. the kids who couldn't score high enough on the SAT to get in anywhere other than a community college typically took the ACT. No one in the top half of my predominantly white school took the ACT. I have no clue whether the same holds true today. To answer your question, I took the SAT.

Ah... I do remember some kids that took the ACT. Kids that were not good test takers and the dyslexic kids took the ACT.

Just curious who here took which test ACT /SAT?

Edited September 29, 2011 by Ready to do it