California's SB 185: Colleges To Use Race/Gender As Part of Admissions Process.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

some people haven't obviously heard of affirmative action.

Another big time racist agenda pushed by the racist Democratic party.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You ever hear of US states making laws that went against the current Federal laws along with the Constitution of the United State of America? It happens more than you might think. Knowing California, this law will most likely pass. It's going to be taken to court and eventually the state of California is going to have to repeal this law along with paying court fee's and fines.

California isn't exactly known for it's common sense.

Kip, what this suggests is that Admissions can consider factors of race, gender, ethnicity etc. as a part of the decision about awarding university places. What it also says is that preference should not be given on the basis of a single factor. In other words the decision should not be weighted solely or disproportionately on demographic factors.

Pursuant to subdivision (b), the University of California

may, and the California State University may, consider race, gender,

ethnicity, national origin, geographic origin, and household income,

along with other relevant factors, in undergraduate and graduate

admissions, so long as no preference is given.

In context, it might also help to understand that Universities already consider some of these factors (e.g. whether a student is from a low-income background, whether they have done military service etc) when it comes to Admissions and awarding scholarships etc. It's not really new.

some people haven't obviously heard of affirmative action.

Yes we have all heard of it. We have read many threads on it and posted in them in the vain hope that people can leave their biased preconceptions at the door. Sadly, they can't.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Yes we have all heard of it. We have read many threads on it and posted in them in the vain hope that people can leave their biased preconceptions at the door. Sadly, they can't.

Biased preconceptions? wth? Are you saying AA isn't racist? It's right up there with the KKK for christ sake.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Biased preconceptions? wth? Are you saying AA isn't racist? It's right up there with the KKK for christ sake.

No, it's not Kip. That's just melodramatic hyperbolic rubbish.

[The_Dude 1,142]

I think admissions to a university, or acceptance for any job should be based purely on merit. Now that that is out of the way, I really don't grasp the paranoia that some on here have expressed about kids learning that homosexuality isn't evil. It's about acceptance and human rights to exist. Believe it or not Danno, there are some advances in this world that were not the result of white christian males who only had missionary sex with their only partner, and they should be credited as such. For a marginalized group, who have faced derision and hate from people like you, acknowledgement that someone like them accomplished something significant can be extremely uplifting and even inspiring. You should wade out into the real world sometime danno, it's quite different from the one that seems to be in your mind.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

California needs to start teaching about famous pedophiles and serial killers.

[The_Dude 1,142]

California needs to start teaching about famous pedophiles and serial killers.

Why, they are criminals?

Despite what you may think, there are many gay people throughout history who have contributed to literature, politics, art, and even war. You hear about their accomplishments, but when only denials when told they were gay. What are you really afraid of, a marginalized group that empowers itself to believe they are worthy citizens? Is your goal really to further opress them, simply because your religious based morality says that a part of their nature, something they were born with is disgusting?

[Danno 1,228]

For a marginalized group, who have faced derision and hate from people like you, acknowledgement that someone like them accomplished something significant can be extremely uplifting and even inspiring. You should wade out into the real world sometime danno, it's quite different from the one that seems to be in your mind.

First of all, you are the one who needs to do a little wandering, it's obvious from your posts you have spent way too many years as a cubical Queen at work.... your reality is that cheap fabric and a computer monitor.

Now maybe we disagree but I don't believe it is the job of the Public school system to "uplift and inspire" homosexuals but having "selective" parts of their history taught in schools.

I think if we were honest, we would agree, these types of Demographic based History weeks (or months) have much much more to do with "affirmation" than honest information. For instances Along with Gay inventors and pioneers, do they mention

John Wayne Gacy or Jeffery Dalhmer?

Do they go over exactly how much public money is spent on the health of Gay men compared to straight.... or even the shortened life expectancy gay men have to look forward too?

Do we highlight famous people who had other unconventional sex lives... or is it just men doin men .......that get "up lifted and inspired"?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

First of all, you are the one who needs to do a little wandering, it's obvious from your posts you have spent way too many years as a cubical Queen at work.... your reality is that cheap fabric and a computer monitor.

Now maybe we disagree but I don't believe it is the job of the Public school system to "uplift and inspire" homosexuals but having "selective" parts of their history taught in schools.

I think if we were honest, we would agree, these types of Demographic based History weeks (or months) have much much more to do with "affirmation" than honest information. For instances Along with Gay inventors and pioneers, do they mention

John Wayne Gacy or Jeffery Dalhmer?

Do they go over exactly how much public money is spent on the health of Gay men compared to straight.... or even the shortened life expectancy gay men have to look forward too?

Do we highlight famous people who had other unconventional sex lives... or is it just men doin men .......that get "up lifted and inspired"?

California doesn't like hetro's if you ask me.

[Ready to do it 101]

I'm a white male and I have a 6 figure income. I'm not rich and I'm not poor. I think this is a fabulous law and I think every state in the US should follow suit. There is one stipulation I would add... Once the minority, low income, etc student gets into the university he/she must make the grades to stay in... which honestly I think is the way it is now. I understand why they are doing it. States should have the ability to take the top students that are representative of thier state. I.e. 20% hispanic, then the university should fill their classrooms with 20% of the highest performing hispanics they can find. Yes,I realize that the top five hispanics are probably academically behind the 30,000th white or Asian, but it's about having a student body representative of their state.

If you haven’t heard of it yet, be rest assured that you will soon hear more about California’s SB 185. The bill that would allow State colleges and universities to consider race, cultural background, income status, and other factors in order to create a more diverse educational structure. The intention of the bill is to try and create an environment that is a better reflection of the diversity of the state of California. Partial text of the bill is as follows:

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I'm a white male and I have a 6 figure income. I'm not rich and I'm not poor. I think this is a fabulous law and I think every state in the US should follow suit. There is one stipulation I would add... Once the minority, low income, etc student gets into the university he/she must make the grades to stay in... which honestly I think is the way it is now. I understand why they are doing it. States should have the ability to take the top students that are representative of thier state. I.e. 20% hispanic, then the university should fill their classrooms with 20% of the highest performing hispanics they can find. Yes,I realize that the top five hispanics are probably academically behind the 30,000th white or Asian, but it's about having a student body representative of their state.

so you openly support racial discrimination?

Of course if you read the article, then you'd see that it touches exactly on the point you mention about 'must make the grades to stay in.' If you understand anything about where these students will be coming from, then you'd know this is setting them up for failure from the onset.

This bill ignores the bigger picture while creating a situation that is going to make trial lawyers go nuts for the next couple of years.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I'm a white male and I have a 6 figure income. I'm not rich and I'm not poor. I think this is a fabulous law and I think every state in the US should follow suit. There is one stipulation I would add... Once the minority, low income, etc student gets into the university he/she must make the grades to stay in... which honestly I think is the way it is now. I understand why they are doing it. States should have the ability to take the top students that are representative of thier state. I.e. 20% hispanic, then the university should fill their classrooms with 20% of the highest performing hispanics they can find. Yes,I realize that the top five hispanics are probably academically behind the 30,000th white or Asian, but it's about having a student body representative of their state.

If that's the case, then I think every white person in this country should stop paying taxes.

[The_Dude 1,142]

First of all, you are the one who needs to do a little wandering, it's obvious from your posts you have spent way too many years as a cubical Queen at work.... your reality is that cheap fabric and a computer monitor.

Just had to get a slur in, nice Danno, you really are classy.

Now maybe we disagree but I don't believe it is the job of the Public school system to "uplift and inspire" homosexuals but having "selective" parts of their history taught in schools.

Right, so you just want WASP history taught to kids. Some people actually want to know the real truth and not be lied to. To each his own I suppose.

I think if we were honest, we would agree, these types of Demographic based History weeks (or months) have much much more to do with "affirmation" than honest information.

For the most part, I would agree with you there, but there is a movement for actual inclusion in curriculum. That is, to show the positive contributions to civilization people have made. Not to promote homosexuality as any better than heterosexualty, equal.

For instances Along with Gay inventors and pioneers, do they mention

John Wayne Gacy or Jeffery Dalhmer?

If you were discussing serial killers, I think it would be pertinent to discuss all sorts of demographics. It's good to shatter the myth that all serial killers are white men.

Do they go over exactly how much public money is spent on the health of Gay men compared to straight.... or even the shortened life expectancy gay men have to look forward too?

Danno, the myth that AIDS is a gay disease has been debunked long ago. It's about time you joined this century.

Do we highlight famous people who had other unconventional sex lives... or is it just men doin men .......that get "up lifted and inspired"?

Why would that be pertinent to any discussion beyond your own personal fantasies? That is just something that would never come up in the course of a class, at least none that I can think of. My question to you Danno, are you really that afraid that gay people will be accepted as equal citizens?

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Please stop both the direct and the veiled personal attacks and insults - they add nothing to the discussion and detract from the discussion of the topic at hand - plus they can end up getting you thread-banned or worse.

[Ready to do it 101]

I wouldn't call it racial discrimination anymore than by them not accepting a representative number across racial lines. It goes both ways. Accept 20% hispanics if your state is 20% hispanic and people cry wolf. Accept 5% hispanics if your state is 20% hispanics and the other side cries wolf. Bottom line, states should choose what they want. I think hiring more blacks and hispanics is more signficant to the growth of our societies as a whole. Don't get me wrong, I care about me and really only me when it comes to my finances, but could you imagine a country where only whites and asians got into all the top 50 universities and the blacks and hispanics were all left out? Where would we be in 20 years. Our nation would be so crime-ridden it aint fuuny.

I don't think it sets the students up for failure. I think many will fail, but many will succeed. At least give them the opportunity. If given the opportunity they will have no one to blame but themself (even if they had no shot in hell at making it at Harvard from the get-go.)

Trial lawyers? Puuuhlllleease. Why should a state have to even concern themselves with the impact of what trial lawyers will think. That in itself is more reason that this bill is so right. Don't get me wrong. I believe in survival of the fittest, and it sucks to be white and not be in the top 10% of your graduating class when 80% of your student body is white because that white male or female will get left out of the mix in going to their state university. On the other hand, there are many other fine universities out there that will take that white male who is in the 2nd quarter. I'm all for as many minorities getting into good universities as possible simply to alleviate the potential future racial uprisings and to give everyone a chance to succeed.

so you openly support racial discrimination?

Of course if you read the article, then you'd see that it touches exactly on the point you mention about 'must make the grades to stay in.' If you understand anything about where these students will be coming from, then you'd know this is setting them up for failure from the onset.

This bill ignores the bigger picture while creating a situation that is going to make trial lawyers go nuts for the next couple of years.