California's SB 185: Colleges To Use Race/Gender As Part of Admissions Process.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

He said "classroom".

Do you deny the Homosexuals are not working their little butts off to have a place in the schools of Cal. and every place else they can?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/us/15gay.html

"California to Require Gay History in Schools"

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If people actually read things they'd probably stop making ####### up to fit their own preconceived agendas

Pursuant to subdivision (b), the University of California

may, and the California State University may, consider race, gender,

ethnicity, national origin, geographic origin, and household income,

along with other relevant factors, in undergraduate and graduate

admissions, so long as no preference is given.

May consider...

So long as no preference is given.

He said "classroom".

Do you deny the Homosexuals are not working their little butts off to have a place in the schools of Cal. and every place else they can?

VJ isn't a court room Danno, nor are you a trial lawyer.

"the homosexuals". Awesome. The way you talk about people you'd think the entire demographic is some secret society. Get over it, leave people alone.

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VJ isn't a court room Danno, nor are you a trial lawyer.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

If people actually read things they'd probably stop making ####### up to fit their own preconceived agendas

May consider...

So long as no preference is given.

VJ isn't a court room Danno, nor are you a trial lawyer.

"the homosexuals". Awesome. The way you talk about people you'd think the entire demographic is some secret society. Get over it, leave people alone.

So your saying the homosexuals had nothing to do with that homosexual history being taught in California schools? Are you denying that?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So your saying the homosexuals had nothing to do with that homosexual history being taught in California schools? Are you denying that?

You're saying that Kip.

I'm saying that homosexuals are regular people, not some underground secret society.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

You're saying that Kip.

I'm saying that homosexuals are regular people, not some underground secret society.

Regular as in normal? Ya you keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile back in reality, the homosexuals played a big part in pushing that law in California.

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How does one consider without giving preference?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Regular as in normal? Ya you keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile back in reality, the homosexuals played a big part in pushing that law in California.

Normal is a meaningless word, if (presumably) you include yourself under that umbrella.

Phrases like "the homosexuals" and "the homosexual agenda" are what I have an issue with. It has the whiff of mad conspiracy theory to it and to believe in it you subscribe to some pretty negative generalisations about your fellow law-abiding citizens who just happen to have a different sexual preference.

How does one consider without giving preference?

How do any Admission these decisions get made?

Perhaps you aren't aware - but university/college admissions consider a huge range of factors when determining who to offer places to. People seem to have this weird assumption that it's merely a case of filling some arbitrary quota system. It is not.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Normal is a meaningless word, if (presumably) you include yourself under that umbrella.

Phrases like "the homosexuals" and "the homosexual agenda" are what I have an issue with. It has the whiff of mad conspiracy theory to it and to believe in it you subscribe to some pretty negative generalisations about your fellow law-abiding citizens who just happen to have a different sexual preference.

I'm going to ask you again. Do you think the homosexuals did or did not have a hand in pushing that law?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Normal is a meaningless word, if (presumably) you include yourself under that umbrella.

Phrases like "the homosexuals" and "the homosexual agenda" are what I have an issue with. It has the whiff of mad conspiracy theory to it and to believe in it you subscribe to some pretty negative generalisations about your fellow law-abiding citizens who just happen to have a different sexual preference.

How do any Admission these decisions get made?

Perhaps you aren't aware - but university/college admissions consider a huge range of factors when determining who to offer places to. People seem to have this weird assumption that it's merely a case of filling some arbitrary quota system. It is not.

There was a case at the University of Washington about ten years back when a white female student sued the law department of that school for bouncing her out of the program in favor of a less qualified black student. Their excuse was they wanted to give the law program more color. The white girl sued, she lost, she appealed and then she won. California is going to choke on this law if it's passed and choke on it they should.

Edited September 28, 2011 by Why_Me

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm going to ask you again. Do you think the homosexuals did or did not have a hand in pushing that law?

And I'm going to say again:

Phrases like "the homosexuals" and "the homosexual agenda" are what I have an issue with. It has the whiff of mad conspiracy theory to it and to believe in it you subscribe to some pretty negative generalisations about your fellow law-abiding citizens who just happen to have a different sexual preference.

It should be fairly obvious Kip, that I am not interested (in the least) in what you want to talk about. This is because I find what you talk about (particularly on the subject of homosexuality) to be crude, banal and ignorant.

The ignorance is what I am interested in - but only for the purposes of subjecting it to ridicule.

There was a case at the University of Washington about ten years back when a white female student sued the law department of that school for bouncing her out of the program in favor of a less qualified black student. Their excuse was they wanted to give the law program more color. The white girl sued, she lost, she appealed and then she won. California is going to choke on this law if it's passed and choke on it they should.

You should reference actual cases, not hear-say. I'm not inclined to take you on trust.

Edited September 28, 2011 by Reginald Perrin

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http://dailyuw.com/news/1997/mar/07/uw-law-school-sued/

Uw Law School Sued

Friday, March 7, 1997

#News

#UW law school sued Former student sues law school for discrimination JC Conklin Daily Staff

#A former UW student filed a lawsuit against the UW School of Law Wednesday on the grounds of reverse discrimination.Katuria Smith, who has a bachelors degree from the School of Business, filed a lawsuit against the UW School of Law stating that her rights under the 14th Amendment (Equal Protection Clause) were compromised. The 14th Amendment guarantees to all citizens equal protection under the law and denies government the right to make a law that abridges the privileges of citizens. She stated in her complaint that she was racially discriminated against when she applied to the school. Smith claims that due to her racial classification as white she was not granted admission into the school.Roland Hjorth, dean of the law school, said, “We have spent a long time reviewing the admissions policies, we believe they are well-thought out.” Hjorth would not comment on the role race plays in admission to the law school.Smith applied to the law school for the fall of 1994 after obtaining a bachelor's degree in business economics and finance. She graduated Cum laude with a 3.65 grade point average and scored in the 94 percentile in the LSAT.In the UW's School of Law Admissions Bulletin for 1995-96, all 36 students with similar grade point averages and test scores to Smith were accepted to the school.While Smith only applied to the UW law school, she made her records available to other schools through the Law School Data Assembly Service (LSDAS), a service that all students are required to go through when applying to law school. Through the LSDAS, students have the option of making their records available to other schools.“I got unsolicited letters from University of Michigan, William and Mary and University of Virginia asking me to apply. Some even offered scholarships,” Smith said.Smith ended up attending law school at Seattle University but was curious why she was not accepted to the UW.“I have asked several times for information concerning the decision and have gotten very little back. They have just stonewalled me,” Smith said.Smith claims that what information she did receive from the school about why she was denied admission indicated that the law school may have separate admissions groupings for different races which she believes could be considered racial discrimination.“What they have done to me is unfair. Schools should not determine admission standards based on race,” Smith said.Frustrated after years of attempting to find out why she was denied admission to the UW and by what she believes are the possible reasons she was not admitted, Smith decided to sue.Smith said her motivation for suing is based on principle. “If you told me today I wouldn't get a dime for [suing], I would still do it,” she said.Smith said she has talked to several other people who have had similar experiences with the UW law school.“I am just the one standing up against it. I know that this is not going to make me a lot of friends but I have to do what I think is right,” Smith said.Smith's suit is not the first brought against the law school concerning its admissions policies. In 1971, Marco DeFunis sued the school because he claimed that his grades and test scores were higher than those of admitted minority applicants. DeFunis sued and was admitted to the law school by the Superior Court. The case went on the Washington State Supreme Court which reversed the decision. DeFunis then appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court which allowed DeFunis to stay in school while the court considered the case. By the time the court ruled on the case, DeFunis had graduated from law school. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled the case was moot because DeFunis had graduated.In a recent case, Hopwood v. State of Texas, Cheryl Hopwood, one of four plaintiffs, sued the University of Texas (UT) law school citing racial discrimination. Hopwood is receiving legal advice from the Center for Individual Rights, a conservative legal group in Washington D.C. that is also assisting Smith.Hopwood had a 3.8 undergraduate grade point average and scored in the 83rd percentile on the LSAT. Her scores were higher than 40 of the 41 black students admitted to the school that year.The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals sent the case back to the lower court for further consideration. According to the 5th Circuit, the assumption that certain people possess characteristics by virtue of their race no longer holds up. The ruling was the first major “reverse discrimination” decision since the Supreme Court restricted affirmative action in June 1995. The UT case is currently being reviewed in the lower courts.“They're going to try to prove that she (Hopwood) wouldn't have been admitted anyway [regardless of her race],” said Theodore Olson, a lawyer for Hopwood.In the 1978 Supreme Court case of the Regents of the University of California v. Bakke, the court stated that universities have a compelling interest in educational diversity that justifies race preferences in admission. But in the past few years this argument has been struck down by the courts again and again.Two years ago, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals denied a University of Maryland scholarship program exclusively for black students. Last year, the University of California Board of Regents abolished all racial criteria in admissions. Currently, there are several states that are considering bills to prevent universities from using racial considerations in admissions decisions.

#Copyright © 1997 The Daily of the University of Washington

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It sounds that the issue was with the Admissions processes of that particular university, not with underlying laws.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

It sounds that the issue was with the Admissions processes of that particular university, not with underlying laws.

You ever hear of US states making laws that went against the current Federal laws along with the Constitution of the United State of America? It happens more than you might think. Knowing California, this law will most likely pass. It's going to be taken to court and eventually the state of California is going to have to repeal this law along with paying court fee's and fines.

California isn't exactly known for it's common sense.

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some people haven't obviously heard of affirmative action.