All alone on Israel island

[Sofiyya 1,687]

So why don't you just wait another 75 years? You'll get your Palestinian state then.

Sounds like you're warming to the idea of a Palestinian state.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

So why don't you just wait another 75 years? You'll get your Palestinian state then.

Palestinians have been already waiting for their state for longer than that. They're tired of waiting.

What happens to Israel in 75 years is a separate issue.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Palestinians have been already waiting for their state for longer than that. They're tired of waiting.

What happens to Israel in 75 years is a separate issue.

Do you want 1 Palestinian State with no Israel?

[mawilson 2,133]

Palestinians have been already waiting for their state for longer than that. They're tired of waiting.

Maybe they should just get on with their lives and stop waiting for a miracle to come.

Move out of the refugee camps and join the rest of society.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Do you want 1 Palestinian State with no Israel?

Personally, I think a secular state with equal rights for all is the smartest solution.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Personally, I think a secular state with equal rights for all is the smartest solution.

Me too.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Maybe they should just get on with their lives and stop waiting for a miracle to come.

Move out of the refugee camps and join the rest of society.

If for 2000 years, Jewish people did not stop yearning to once again live in the land of the ancient Hebrews, then why would you expect people who were thrown out of their homes and their homeland within living memory to forget about it ?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Personally, I think a secular state with equal rights for all is the smartest solution.

Israeli leaders don't want a secular state, neither do Arab leaders, so good luck with that.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Israeli leaders don't want a secular state, neither do Arab leaders, so good luck with that.

Well he was asking my personal opinion - I was not implying that there was some sort of hope of persuading Israeli leaders to go along with it.

However, the PA does seek to establish Palestine as a secular state.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Ya, I hear ya there, but what they want and what's politically feasible to have are often two different things. The "Arab Spring", with its emphasis on democracy and self-determination, has thrown a monkey wrench into the repetitious lip service from all sides.

It pits those who have been wanting a "win" for the Muslim world against the Jewish state and rising secularism. Secularism wasn't much of a player before, and as we can see that, even in Iraq, where the war for secularism has been waged for a decade, resistance to it among the population is still strong.

Well he was asking my personal opinion - I was not implying that there was some sort of hope of persuading Israeli leaders to go along with it.

However, the PA does seek to establish Palestine as a secular state.

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[mawilson 2,133]

Israeli leaders don't want a secular state, neither do Arab leaders, so good luck with that.

Israel *is* a secular state. The religious parties in Israel are hated by

ordinary working Israelis as they are essentially blackmailers who join coalition

governments in return for government subsidies and use their political clout to

force their moral vision on others.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Israel *is* a secular state. The religious parties in Israel are hated by

ordinary working Israelis as they are essentially blackmailers who join coalition

governments in return for government subsidies and use their political clout to

force their moral vision on others.

It's not a secular state. It can't be a Jewish state and a secular state at the same time. One has to give way to the other.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Future of Palestine is stronger than Israel... admits one of the Jewish state's last Muslim allies

Jordan's King Abdullah II said that the uprisings sweeping the Arab world in 2011 have put Israel in a difficult position.

6:30PM BST 12 Sep 2011

The king, one of the Jewish state's last Muslim allies, has admitted that the future of Jordan and Palestine is now stronger than Israel.

He also hotly rejected the notion that his country should take in Palestinians as a substitute for the creation of a state for them.

On Sunday, King Abdullah told a closed meeting of Jordanian intellectuals and academics that Jordan and the Palestinians that "Jordan and the future of Palestine are stronger than Israel. It is the Israelis who are worried today."

A transcript of his comments was obtained from the Royal Palace on Monday.

Israel's current government fears growing isolation as a result of the Middle East's transformative changes in the Arab Spring.

Besides Jordan, Egypt is the only other Arab nation to have signed a peace deal with Israel. But its ties with Egypt have been severely strained since the February ouster of Hosni Mubarak and the anti-Israeli sentiment that has burst into the open in the Arab world's most populous nation - most visibly in the attack on the Israeli Embassy in Cairo over the weekend.

Many in Israel fear that this year's Arab uprisings - along with a diplomatic crisis with former partner Turkey and stalled peace talks with the Palestinians - have left their nation increasingly isolated.

The Palestinians are taking their quest for statehood to the United Nations later this month in a bid for recognition that is adding to the Israeli sense of foreboding.

King Abdullah said that during a recent visit to the United States, an Israeli intellectual told him that the Arab Spring serves Israeli interests. "I answered: 'On the contrary, you are today in a more difficult position than before,'" he said, but did not elaborate.

The king also used unusually harsh language to condemn suggestions by some Israeli fringe elements that Jordan should take in Palestinians to substitute for the creation of a Palestinian state.

"Jordan will never be a substitute land for anyone," he said. "It makes no sense. ... We have an army and we are ready to fight for our homeland and the future of Jordan. We should speak loudly and not allow such an idea to remain in the minds of some of us."

"Jordan is Jordan, and Palestine is Palestine," he added.

The idea of Jordan replacing Palestine has been around for decades. It never had mainstream support in Israel, and now its backers are a tiny, extreme minority.

Even Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, once a champion of Israel's retaining control of the West Bank, grudgingly supports creation of a Palestinian state there.

A significant portion of Jordan's population has never been enthusiastic about the country's 1994 peace treaty with Israel.

Anger with Israel is running high in Jordan for a number of reasons. In particular, Mr Netanyahu's hard-line government is deeply distrusted in Jordan, and many Jordanians blame it for the failure of Palestinian-Israeli peace talks to get off the ground two years ago.

Nearly half of Jordan's six million people are Palestinians displaced in two wars with Israel since 1948, along with their descendants.

The rest of Jordan's population comes from Bedouin tribes that make up the backbone of support for King Abdullah and the royal family. They fear that a "Jordanian solution" would mean the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from the West Bank to Jordan, throwing off the demographic balance.

King Abdullah, whose own leadership has faced some protests this year - albeit on a lesser scale than elsewhere in the Arab world - reiterated that he was pressing ahead with political reforms in the kingdom.

He said Jordan will hold municipal elections this year and announced that parliamentary elections will be held in 2012. Jordan's opposition parties alleged that elections for parliament in 2010 were flawed.

[MyLittlePony 340]

They should be happy with what they have love and peace across the world.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

They should be happy with what they have love and peace across the world.

Not a p word in sight. Good job!