Denial

[Mew 0]

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thats exactly why im here and i didnt try and do it myself i had someone who ahs done this process 3 or 4 times so they prolly thought that it was a breeze like past times but it got mesed up so i think i will thank you for your help ill keep you posted

THeir friend is a multiple petitioner? Oh, IMBRA!

[Ta Ta 1]

May I ask what your fiance's country is ?

This is too important so consult an immigration attorney.

What exactly is an " official engagement document " ????

Do you mean a letter of some kind attesting to your engagement by a witness ?

We are clueless .......

[heathius 0]

OK, I get to play devil's advocate. I apologize if I offend anyone with the following comments, but I feel the need to vent.

Although I don't wish hardship on anyone, Jah242 you should have been denied for several reasons:

1.) You are not serious about the process. Anyone that was serious would have been able to (and would have made sure to) provide plenty of evidence. Even after an RFE requesting extra evidence, you left to up to someone else instead of doing it yourself to make sure it was taken care of properly.

2.) The person whom you relied on is not an expert. Your info on this is still somewhat vague. If they helped 3 or 4 other couples through the process, then their experience is valid yet minimal. If they went through the process 3 or 4 times themself, this is called "visa abuse" or "immigration fraud". Anyone that refers to this process as a "breeze" isn't familiar with the process.

3.) Even after all of your explanations, we are still having a hard time understanding your situation. Even the more experienced people here are having a hard time understanding. If you presented your case to the USCIS in the same way that you presented it to us here in the forum, then it's no wonder the USCIS officer was confused and not convinced. After 3 pages of posts, we still don't even know which country your fiancee is from.

I'm trying not to criticize, but you need the hard facts. Good luck to you on your appeal.

Edited September 20, 2006 by heathius

[Teachers 12]

OK, I get to play devil's advocate. I apologize if I offend anyone with the following comments, but I feel the need to vent.

Although I don't wish hardship on anyone, Jah242 you should have been denied for several reasons:

1.) You are not serious about the process. Anyone that was serious would have been able to (and would have made sure to) provide plenty of evidence. Even after an RFE requesting extra evidence, you left to up to someone else instead of doing it yourself to make sure it was taken care of properly.

2.) The person whom you relied on is not an expert. Your info on this is still somewhat vague. If they helped 3 or 4 other couples through the process, then their experience is valid yet minimal. If they went through the process 3 or 4 times themself, this is called "visa abuse" or "immigration fraud". Anyone that refers to this process as a "breeze" isn't familiar with the process.

3.) Even after all of your explanations, we are still having a hard time understanding your situation. Even the more experienced people here are having a hard time understanding. If you presented your case to the USCIS in the same way that you presented it to us here in the forum, then it's no wonder the USCIS officer was confused and not convinced. After 3 pages of posts, we still don't even know which country your fiancee is from.

I'm trying not to criticize, but you need the hard facts. Good luck to you on your appeal.

Sadly, I agree. I also agree that you may well need a lawyer. But that can be expensive. Before you do that, find someone you know and respect. Someone who is intelligent, and is the most detail oriented person you know. Someone like a dentist, and engineer, an accountant. Ask them to go over your entire file - application, letters to and from USCIS. See what they have to say. It seems that you do not have a knack for detail, completeness and clear communication. That's OK. Many good people are like that. But if it your weakness, it puts you at a severe disadvantage in this process. Find someone who has it as a strength, and get their help.

Good luck in sorting out this mess.

Tom

[Nagishkaw 510]

I am very sorry to hear your news. I , too have been denied. I went and got me a lawyer who will be handling the appeal. Maybe there is a chance you can appeal your case ?? Others here have suggested you seek council, and I agree that is exactly what you should do if you are serious about all this.

God Bless .

[Bruce n Jen 0]

Sadly, I agree. I also agree that you may well need a lawyer. But that can be expensive. Before you do that, find someone you know and respect. Someone who is intelligent, and is the most detail oriented person you know. Someone like a dentist, and engineer, an accountant. Ask them to go over your entire file - application, letters to and from USCIS. See what they have to say. It seems that you do not have a knack for detail, completeness and clear communication. That's OK. Many good people are like that. But if it your weakness, it puts you at a severe disadvantage in this process. Find someone who has it as a strength, and get their help.

Good luck in sorting out this mess.

Tom

Gee, thanks for the compliment, being a dentist

This thread is very puzzling and vague and questionable about the seriousness, and not to offend anyone could be just looking for reaction. my 2 cents

[Joey559 1]

Ok, I have to ask, when you say "went to meet the family" do you mean actually went to meet her? Because that would mean, time wise, you sent the application BEFORE you met her in person then you got the RFE then you sent in the evidence you had collected while there on your trip which, you're saying, included what I am visualizing as a cultural/religious engagement ceremony...NOW if this is what happened, you've, no offense, really screwed yourself up because what the case worker is seeing is that you sent an 129F in saying you were already engaged when you weren't. BIG MISTAKE.

Of course I could be reading your posts completely wrong...no offense...but that's pretty easy to do. I'm just trying to say, if this IS what happened you're in trouble. And even if it isn't - the best advice is to get an attorney, get an attorney, get an attorney. The devil is in the details....

Edited September 20, 2006 by Joey559

[no name 1]

Not to be too mean, but how can you be a USC if you can't even punctuate or use correct English? Not to mention you won't answer the what cdonsulate question which has been asked tons of times.

[Joey559 1]

Not to be too mean, but how can you be a USC if you can't even punctuate or use correct English? Not to mention you won't answer the what cdonsulate question which has been asked tons of times.

the devil is in the details and the devilette is on this thread...sorry, for the bad joke and for the off topic it's been one of those weeks....

back to topic!

Edited September 20, 2006 by Joey559

[SirLancelot 1]

Not to be too mean, but how can you be a USC if you can't even punctuate or use correct English? Not to mention you won't answer the what cdonsulate question which has been asked tons of times.

There are tons of older immigrants who can't even write or read anything more than the most basic English. It's completely consistent. One does not need an English degree to become a US citizen.

[no name 1]

Not to be too mean, but how can you be a USC if you can't even punctuate or use correct English? Not to mention you won't answer the what cdonsulate question which has been asked tons of times.

There are tons of older immigrants who can't even write or read anything more than the most basic English. It's completely consistent. One does not need an English degree to become a US citizen.

I didn't say theyn weren't. I only questioned it, because the OP seems young (by typing style).

[heishe 2]

Not to be too mean, but how can you be a USC if you can't even punctuate or use correct English? Not to mention you won't answer the what cdonsulate question which has been asked tons of times.

There are tons of older immigrants who can't even write or read anything more than the most basic English. It's completely consistent. One does not need an English degree to become a US citizen.

I didn't say theyn weren't. I only questioned it, because the OP seems young (by typing style).

There are tons of US born American citizens who write like that too.

[Yodrak 7]

SirLancelot,

And there are 'tons' of native-born USCs of all ages who should never have graduated high school given their atrocious English-language literacy skills. See my thread on the subject a couple of weeks ago in 'Off Topic'

Yodrak

Not to be too mean, but how can you be a USC if you can't even punctuate or use correct English? Not to mention you won't answer the what cdonsulate question which has been asked tons of times.

There are tons of older immigrants who can't even write or read anything more than the most basic English. It's completely consistent. One does not need an English degree to become a US citizen.

[no name 1]

SirLancelot,

And there are 'tons' of native-born USCs of all ages who should never have graduated high school given their atrocious English-language literacy skills.

That's why I love the Yodrak.

Edited September 20, 2006 by devilette

[SirLancelot 1]

SirLancelot,

And there are 'tons' of native-born USCs of all ages who should never have graduated high school given their atrocious English-language literacy skills. See my thread on the subject a couple of weeks ago in 'Off Topic'

Yodrak

Absolutely! It's disgustingly sad how utterly useless a high school diploma means from so many high schools across the nation now a days.