Palestinians to seek full UN membership Sept. 23

[Sofiyya 1,687]

OK. Thanks.

You're welcome When you think about it, who would grant a nation the "right" to exist? In the case of Israel, God in the OT, I suppose, although, He seems to have changed His mind by the end of the NT. Certainly no mortal could grant such a right or take it away.

Edited September 19, 2011 by Sofiyya

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Simple. Israel wants the Jordan River as their eastern border, and the Palestinians want the Mediterranean from Egypt to Lebanon as the western border. For a two state solution, both sides need to compromise.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

No they are not because the regime does not want to negotiate with the Palestinians. So my original question was what would be different with what we have now if they are granted statehood. It seems nothing to me but the best answer I think I received was that the Palestinians would be able to argue their case now as a recognized state. That is good. Never mind that there is still a cross roads. Thank y'all for letting me know.

The Palestinians are most certainly expected to negotiate with the Government of Israel on the core issues - the occupation, the final borders, the settlements, the status of Jerusalem, and the refugees. Declaring their state will not magically end the occupation or decide the final agreement on these issues; it simply gives the Palestinians a stronger legal position from which to negotiate.

[luckytxn 2,264]

You're welcome When you think about it, who would grant a nation the "right" to exist? In the case of Israel, God in the OT, I suppose, although, He seems to have changed His mind by the end of the NT. Certainly no mortal could grant such a right or take it away.

Ok I am more clear now. The stated aims are not what they seem so listen what is said. Gotcha. Thanks again.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

You're welcome When you think about it, who would grant a nation the "right" to exist? In the case of Israel, God in the OT, I suppose, although, He seems to have changed His mind by the end of the NT. Certainly no mortal could grant such a right or take it away.

From Fiddler on the Roof, "But once in a while, can't you choose someone else?"

[luckytxn 2,264]

The Palestinians are most certainly expected to negotiate with the Government of Israel on the core issues - the occupation, the final borders, the settlements, the status of Jerusalem, and the refugees. Declaring their state will not magically end the occupation or decide the final agreement on these issues; it simply gives the Palestinians a stronger legal position from which to negotiate.

I got it now. Thanks for the patience and time spent educating me on what was before confusing me. Now I am seeing more clearly.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Simple. Israel wants the Jordan River as their eastern border, and the Palestinians want the Mediterranean from Egypt to Lebanon as the western border. For a two state solution, both sides need to compromise.

Where is Soloman when we need him?

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Simple. Israel wants the Jordan River as their eastern border, and the Palestinians want the Mediterranean from Egypt to Lebanon as the western border. For a two state solution, both sides need to compromise.

The Palestinians have already recognized the State of Israel on the 1967 lines - that's a huge compromise, ceding more than half the territory that the U.N. Partition designated for the Arab State. (Israel's unilateral annexation of that additional territory in 1948 has never been internationally recognized.)

[luckytxn 2,264]

Where is Soloman when we need him?

He was doing fine till the end of the story when he pissed God off by bringing the Pagan altar into the temple.

The Palestinians have already recognized the State of Israel on the 1967 lines - that's a huge compromise, ceding more than half the territory that the U.N. Partition designated for the Arab State. (Israel's unilateral annexation of that additional territory in 1948 has never been internationally recognized.)

OK. Negotiate for more. Ask for all of Jeruselum.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

He was doing fine till the end of the story when he pissed God off by bringing the Pagan altar into the temple.

OK. Negotiate for more. Ask for all of Jeruselum.

It's the very nature of Jerusalem as a holy city for all three Abrahamic faiths that provides another barrier to creating secular states.

[luckytxn 2,264]

It's the very nature of Jerusalem as a holy city for all three Abrahamic faiths that provides another barrier to creating secular states.

Then rebuilding the temple is a bad idea I take it. Building a mosque on top of the ruins was OK though.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Then rebuilding the temple is a bad idea I take it. Building a mosque on top of the ruins was OK though.

For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Zechariah 14:2

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Then rebuilding the temple is a bad idea I take it. Building a mosque on top of the ruins was OK though.

The issue is, if you're secular, then holy places become interesting historical sites that can be divvied up neighborhood by neighborhood. Which of the three faiths will concede to that in Jerusalem and other places with religious significance there?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The issue is, if you're secular, then holy places become interesting historical sites that can be divvied up neighborhood by neighborhood. Which of the three faiths will concede to that in Jerusalem and other places with religious significance there?

That is why I think the UN should be moved to Jerusalem.

Edited September 19, 2011 by Crusty Old Perv

[luckytxn 2,264]

The issue is, if you're secular, then holy places become interesting historical sites that can be divvied up neighborhood by neighborhood. Which of the three faiths will concede to that in Jerusalem and other places with religious significance there?

Well from what I have read of history is that the Muslims allowed full pilgrimage to Christians along with all the money to be made from it just fine. The Jews have also so far with a sometimes closing. When the crusaders took it again and again they allowed it also. So over all it looks like my religious sites are good to go no matter who takes that apple.

That is why I think the UN should be moved to Jerusalem.

Or China.