Difference between household member and joint sponsor?

[mer&damby308 0]

Am now filling out the i-864 to send to NVC. my mother is going to be the co sponsor for my husband as i don't make enough. i live with her and my father still and they have a joint tax account, hence her tax returns state my father's name as well.

so what is she, a household member or joint sponsor???

either way, she fills out a i-864 correct---is there a difference between the two in terms of what one is sending/filing?

furthermore, does my father have to fill out a i-864A too as his name is mentioned on the tax returns??

thank you!!

[FatmaAmin123 0]

Am now filling out the i-864 to send to NVC. my mother is going to be the co sponsor for my husband as i don't make enough. i live with her and my father still and they have a joint tax account, hence her tax returns state my father's name as well.

so what is she, a household member or joint sponsor???

either way, she fills out a i-864 correct---is there a difference between the two in terms of what one is sending/filing?

furthermore, does my father have to fill out a i-864A too as his name is mentioned on the tax returns??

thank you!!

I have the same question! I will be checking to see answers. For me its the opposite my father is sponsoring my husband and they have a joint tax account. Good question! thank you

[mer&damby308 0]

I have the same question! I will be checking to see answers. For me its the opposite my father is sponsoring my husband and they have a joint tax account. Good question! thank you

from what i can gather from the government website, my mother would be a "household member" and therefore fills out i-864A.

i still am not sure if my father also has to fill out an i-864 since he is listed on the tax return.....

also, it seems (after reading the instructions for i-864A) that my mother might need more than just the tax return for 2010---it seems she needs a W2 form as well?? ughh if someone could clarify, thank you!

P.S. it seems that we have a similiar timeline for similiar countries!

[FatmaAmin123 0]

from what i can gather from the government website, my mother would be a "household member" and therefore fills out i-864A.

i still am not sure if my father also has to fill out an i-864 since he is listed on the tax return.....

also, it seems (after reading the instructions for i-864A) that my mother might need more than just the tax return for 2010---it seems she needs a W2 form as well?? ughh if someone could clarify, thank you!

P.S. it seems that we have a similiar timeline for similiar countries!

Well, as far as the tax return goes I am pretty sure your mother will need her w-2 for the past three years. I actually have an agent that I call she will be sending all of my paperwork. But she told me that I needed to send her: a job letter from my job and my w-2 from last year only. My father who is the joint sponsor needs a job letter, W-2 for the past 3 years and copy of his citizenship like passport. I am going to call her tomorrow to make sure we don't need his tax returns. So in this case you wouldn't have to worry about the joint tax return thing. All you would need is your mothers w-2. There is other things that you will need from your husband: 2 passport photos, translated originals of your marriage cert (if you are filing for I-130) a translated original of his birth certificate and something that's called a police record for him. He can get this from his country.

I hope this helps and I hope i didn't confuse you even more . Let me know if you have any questions! Best wishes and best of luck.

Fatma

[Ryan H 3,812]

from what i can gather from the government website, my mother would be a "household member" and therefore fills out i-864A.

i still am not sure if my father also has to fill out an i-864 since he is listed on the tax return.....

also, it seems (after reading the instructions for i-864A) that my mother might need more than just the tax return for 2010---it seems she needs a W2 form as well?? ughh if someone could clarify, thank you!

P.S. it seems that we have a similiar timeline for similiar countries!

Your mother as a joint sponsor would complete an I-864. If she combines her income with your father's income, your father would complete an I-864A.

Tax forms with W2's OR tax transcripts will need to accompany the forms.

[Anh map 2,098]

What is your income? If you are a student or do not have an income and live with your parents then it is best for one parent to complete the I-864. If the other parent's income is needed to meet the income requirement the second parent would complete the I-864A.

You and the petitioner will complete the I-864 regardless of income.

[Navyk 78]

Your mother as a joint sponsor would complete an I-864. If she combines her income with your father's income, your father would complete an I-864A.

Tax forms with W2's OR tax transcripts will need to accompany the forms.

I agree with Ryan & Anh. You need to file I-864, your mother (joint-sponsor) needs to file I-864 and if your father income is also used, then he files I-864A (he is your mother's household person). You will need your parents full tax return filed or IRS Tax Transcripts for 2010, 2009 & 2008. And the other stuff - Employment letter, latest pay stubs, letter from bank (if bank account balances are used).....

Edited September 7, 2011 by NavyK

[mer&damby308 0]

I agree with Ryan & Anh. You need to file I-864, your mother (joint-sponsor) needs to file I-864 and if your father income is also used, then he files I-864A (he is your mother's household person). You will need your parents full tax return filed or IRS Tax Transcripts for 2010, 2009 & 2008. And the other stuff - Employment letter, latest pay stubs, letter from bank (if bank account balances are used).....

Hmmm so many people saying different things, quite confusing.....

WHY is my mother not considered a "household member"

If i have tax return transcripts sent from the IRS then i don't need the W-2s i believe this is correct? and btw my parents dont have their W2 forms because one does not keep W2 forms!!! isn't a tax return transcript enough????

On the government website checklist it states that you don't NEED to provide the employment letter or pay stub unless you feel it will help "Strengthen" your case....so they are NOT neccesary for me OR my mother, correct?

LASTLY, my parents file JOINTLY so it the tax return doesn't break down who earned what--it just has a combined total listed on it.

[Ryan H 3,812]

If i have tax return transcripts sent from the IRS then i don't need the W-2s i believe this is correct? and btw my parents dont have their W2 forms because one does not keep W2 forms!!! isn't a tax return transcript enough????

Transcripts are sufficient.

On the government website checklist it states that you don't NEED to provide the employment letter or pay stub unless you feel it will help "Strengthen" your case....so they are NOT neccesary for me OR my mother, correct?

When you make a claim of how current income is being received, you need to provide proof to substantiate that claim. Simply listing your current income on the form without proof to substantiate it that income figure will likely result in an RFE.

Edited September 7, 2011 by Ryan H

[mer&damby308 0]

Transcripts are sufficient.

When you make a claim of how current income is being received, you need to provide proof to substantiate that claim. Simply listing your current income on the form without proof to substantiate it that income figure will likely result in an RFE.

thank you RyanH i was going to include pay stubs, though just a few because i have only had my current job for a little more than a month....

BTW, so in reference to my main question on this discussion, it appears i MUST:

submit i-864 for MYSELF

have my mother submit i-864 as joint sponsor

have my father submit (and my mother sign?) i-864A bc his name is also on her tax return

submit some pay stubs for myself and my mother

i believeeee that's correct :unsure:

[Ryan H 3,812]

Answers in bold:

BTW, so in reference to my main question on this discussion, it appears i MUST:

submit i-864 for MYSELF correct

have my mother submit i-864 as joint sponsor correct

have my father submit (and my mother sign?) i-864A bc his name is also on her tax return correct

submit some pay stubs for myself and my mother correct

[Navyk 78]

thank you RyanH i was going to include pay stubs, though just a few because i have only had my current job for a little more than a month....

BTW, so in reference to my main question on this discussion, it appears i MUST:

submit i-864 for MYSELF

have my mother submit i-864 as joint sponsor

have my father submit (and my mother sign?) i-864A bc his name is also on her tax return

submit some pay stubs for myself and my mother

i believeeee that's correct :unsure:

Looks good. Yes, IRS Tax transcripts are perfect and since you are using both your parents, you don't need their W-2s.

(with Joint filing, W-2s are required with IRS Tax Transcripts when only one of them is sponsoring - otherwise how would NVC get to know the amount of the one joint sponsor)

[SandMax 1]

We had our interview today and got Blue Slipped due to the I864 problem. Originally I (unemployed petitioner) sent the I864 and my mother (joint sponsor and also a household member) sent the I864. The CO's comments were that he couldn't say what exactly was wrong (and quoted some law) but that I, the petitioner, needed to fill out a new I864 form to include my mother, form I864A. He then said my mother's form was correct.

We've been looking at the forms and I'm now even more confused. What do I now put for question 21G? One for me, one for my husband and now one for my mother? What about my father? He's in the household. He's not filling out any forms but he was counted on my mothers original I864 form. Now he doesn't count anywhere? Or does he now need to fill out an I864A form? Is this going to be another problem? Should I have my mother complete the I864A form and just resend her tax returns and W-2s?

Any help would be appreciated as I thought I had this understood and now am really upset.

[mer&damby308 0]

Looks good. Yes, IRS Tax transcripts are perfect and since you are using both your parents, you don't need their W-2s.

(with Joint filing, W-2s are required with IRS Tax Transcripts when only one of them is sponsoring - otherwise how would NVC get to know the amount of the one joint sponsor)

A couple of last questions regarding the forms(i sincerely hope!) as i will be filling them out with my parents tonight:

On MY i-864 do i

1.check under part 1. that i am A.the petitioner?

2. under part 24 do i fill anything out? i believe that my mother on HER i-864 would have to fill in info about my father---correct?

3. even though my personal income doesnt exceed the poverty guideline, i DONT have to fill in part 7 since i do have a joint sponsor correct?

2. for my mothers i-864 under part 1 does she check that she is D. the only joint sponsor or e. the first/second of two joint sponsors?

THANK YOU one and all for the help and responses!

[Ryan H 3,812]

Answers in bold again:

On MY i-864 do i

1.check under part 1. that i am A.the petitioner? yes

2. under part 24 do i fill anything out? i believe that my mother on HER i-864 would have to fill in info about my father---correct? correct

3. even though my personal income doesnt exceed the poverty guideline, i DONT have to fill in part 7 since i do have a joint sponsor correct? correct

2. for my mothers i-864 under part 1 does she check that she is D. the only joint sponsor or e. the first/second of two joint sponsors? if she is the only joint sponsor, she checks D