Were Palestinians expelled or fled?

[mawilson 2,133]

Palestinians expfled.

[Dan and Judy 614]

Two words: The Holocaust.

Actually the Balfour Declaration called for it in 1917. WW I ended with Turkey getting their getting their butt kicked and they agreed to give Britan control of Palestine.

So we could say that Turkey is responsible for this mess in the first place. If they would have fought better, none of this would have happened.

We could say that England is responsible. Without doing any research I would guess that there were some influential Jews running around England and they

leveraged their minority position to get something they wanted from a "democratic" goverment.

Similar to the way the cubans exciles in Florida have been able to keep the US from normalizing relations with Cuba.

My understanding is the Jew's would not have won any popularity test in england at the time. Or anywhere else for that matter. which is why they wanted a place

of their own. It was probably politically expediant for the goverment of England to endorse it at the time.

So England started letting Jews move into Palistine

The Arabs said "Hey not in my neighborhood!!"

and there we have the genesis of the problem..................ha ha get it Genesis!!!

you know in the bible the first chapter

After WWII the Jews started moving in faster inspite of england trying to limit their immigration

The Arabs and Jews started fighting like cats and dogs.

The British tried to keep a lid on things to no avail,

They felt the best way to keep a lid on it was to keep the Jews from growing and getting more powerful

The Arabs thought the best solution was to kick the Jews out and they were trying.

The British wernt doing a good job of protecting the Jews so the protected themselves

The british were in fact hindering them from protecting themselves so the jews decided it was time for the British to leave.

The Jews used terrorism to encourage the british to leave.

The British said "Hey this is a mess" "let us out of here"

So they made their exodus...................Ha Ha get EXODUS

YOU KNOW! THE BIBLE!!

The US ended up on the Israeli side after the Jews kicked the Arabs butts in a little war that the Jews really didnt want in the first place.

Truman read his bible and decided the Jews were supposed to be there so he was in a hurry to recognize them before the Russians could.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Mitchell G. Bard is well-known Zionist, and there is no mention in this article about Jewish terrorism. It's a pretty thin, selective and self-serving account of the events of the time.

Myths and FactsMitchell G. Bard

MYTH

"One million Palestinians were expelled by Israel from 1947-49."

FACT

The Palestinians left their homes in 1947-48 for a variety of reasons. Thousands of wealthy Arabs left in anticipation of a war, thousands more responded to Arab leaders' calls to get out of the way of the advancing armies, a handful were expelled, but most simply fled to avoid being caught in the cross fire of a battle.

Many Arabs claim that 800,000 to 1,000,000 Palestinians became refugees in 1947-49. The last census was taken by the British in 1945. It found approximately 1.2 million permanent Arab residents in all of Palestine.

On November 30, 1947, the date the UN voted for partition, the total within the boundaries of the State of Israel (as fixed by the Armistice Agreements of 1949) was 809,100. A 1949 Government of Israel census counted 160,000 Arabs living in the country after the war.(1) This meant no more than 650,000 Palestinian Arabs could have become refugees. A report by the UN Mediator on Palestine arrived at an even lower figure — 472,000.(2)

Although much is heard about the plight of the Palestinian refugees, little is said about the Jews who fled from Arab states. Their situation had long been precarious. During the 1947 UN debates, Arab leaders threatened them.

For example, Egypt's delegate told the General Assembly: "The lives of one million Jews in Muslim countries would be jeopardized by partition."(3)

The number of Jews fleeing Arab countries for Israel in the years following Israel's independence was roughly equal to the number of Arabs leaving Palestine. Many Jews were allowed to take little more than the shirts on their backs. These refugees had no desire to be repatriated. Little is heard about them because they did not remain refugees for long. Of the 820,000 Jewish refugees, 586,000 were resettled in Israel at great expense, and without any offer of compensation from the Arab governments who confiscated their possessions. Israel has consequently maintained that any agreement to compensate the Palestinian refugees must also include Arab compensation for Jewish refugees. To this day, the Arab states have refused to pay any compensation to the hundreds of thousands of Jews who were forced to abandon their property before fleeing those countries. The contrast between the reception of Jewish refugees in Israel with the reception of Palestinian refugees in Arab countries is even more stark when one considers the difference in cultural and geographic dislocation experienced by the two groups. Most Jewish refugees traveled hundreds —and some traveled thousands — of miles to a tiny country whose inhabitants spoke a different language. Most Arab refugees never left Palestine at all; they traveled a few miles to the other side of the truce line, remaining inside the vast Arab nation that they were part of linguistically, culturally and ethnically.

[luckytxn 2,264]

Mitchell G. Bard is well-known Zionist, and there is no mention in this article about Jewish terrorism. It's a pretty thin, selective and self-serving account of the events of the time.

I agree and that is why I posted the WIKI. I personally would have fled and waited till the battle to be over before I returned.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Think about it. You have land, you have a home. You have means of production. Why would you leave? This "Arabs just got up and left on their own" story is still what we're told about the land that illegal settlements are being built on today. Is Israel's refusal of a right of return for Palestinians not a hint about what the real story is?

BTW, have you ever thought of why the Arab world in a uproar that even Israel exists is always the operative premise? After all, Israel is not all that thrilled that Arabs are around them at all. Why not begin with that? European Jews choose to come there. Arabs were always there.

And yes that would make him potentially biased as also if a Palestinian were to be so on the other side. We all know and understand the concept of bias. Please educate us on what is the true story. Is it that they were expelled? Was it that they fled? Was it a combination of the two? Is there other reasons? I Keep reading but all I get is the versions that each side wants us to believe.

Or is the Arab world in a uproar that even Israel exists?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I like it when you're trying to be clever, Ma

Palestinians expfled.

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If the author is Jewish, then their opinion doesn't count. Only Muslim voices count. New VJ rule.

[luckytxn 2,264]

Think about it. You have land, you have a home. You have means of production. Why would you leave? This "Arabs just got up and left on their own" story is still what we're told about the land that illegal settlements are being built on today. Is Israel's refusal of a right of return for Palestinians not a hint about what the real story is?

BTW, have you ever thought of why the Arab world in a uproar that even Israel exists is always the operative premise? After all, Israel is not all that thrilled that Arabs are around them at all. Why not begin with that? European Jews choose to come there. Arabs were always there.

I agree with you but there is nothing wrong with getting out of the way of an oncoming battle. I would expect to be able to come back after the battle is over and clean up the mess and continue on.

I also agree that there was a country and a people already in the area that was established and then a power partitions it and gives the Jews a homeland was just asking for trouble.

[Dan and Judy 614]

one post has been removed for disagreeing with me

[luckytxn 2,264]

I could have started the thread I guess by finding an article from a Palestinian on the opposite view I guess.

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I could have started the thread I guess by finding an article from a Palestinian on the opposite view I guess.

There is only one acceptable view - the Palestinian view. All other views are *spit* Zionist *spit*.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

A lot of folks expected to be able to come back, my grandparents included. But, they weren't allowed to. That's why we keep our deeds in a box refuse to forgive and forget.

I agree with you but there is nothing wrong with getting out of the way of an oncoming battle. I would expect to be able to come back after the battle is over and clean up the mess and continue on.

I also agree that there was a country and a people already in the area that was established and then a power partitions it and gives the Jews a homeland was just asking for trouble.

[luckytxn 2,264]

There is only one acceptable view - the Palestinian view. All other views are *spit* Zionist *spit*.

Maybe so but I would like to learn more and that means we need both sides views need to be heard. Was wanting to know if all problems would be solved if the "right of return" had been observed.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It joins the old VJ rule that the opinions of Jews who disagree with Israel don't count.

If the author is Jewish, then their opinion doesn't count. Only Muslim voices count. New VJ rule.

[luckytxn 2,264]

A lot of folks expected to be able to come back, my grandparents included. But, they weren't allowed to. That's why we keep our deeds in a box refuse to forgive and forget.

Was it just the Israelis that refused to allow the "right of return"? Did the Arabs refuse the Palestinians to return at all?