Luke 11:24-26

[BishopM 114]

"When an unclean spirit goes out of someone, it roams through arid regions searching for rest but, finding none, it says, "I shall return to my home from which I came.' But upon returning, it finds it swept clean and put in order. Then it goes and brings back seven other spirits more wicked than itself who move in and dwell there, and the last condition of that person is worst than the first."

When I first started trying to understand the Bible a bit, I was always baffled by this seemingly odd verse from Luke. However, at the same time I felt a real draw/connection to this verse, so though I didn't understand it was always one of my favorite verses. Over the years I've come to an understanding of this verse and it has remained one of my favorites because I believe it is very applicable to anyone's life, whether they are religious/aetheistic/agnostic/you name it...

So - that is some R for the P&R for the day! Blessings to VJ for a great holiday weekend!

[Nagishkaw 510]

Also very applicable :

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Eph. 6:12

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Matt 12:43-45. Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it. Then it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came'; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order. Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation."

While at first it appears that Christ was talking about hippies, many of these parables come from works lost to the modern scholar.

We are creatures of habit, and it seems without something to give direction and purpose to our lives, we fall back on old habits, and pick up a few new ones along the way.

Thanks brother Mark!

[BishopM 114]

Also very applicable :

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Eph. 6:12

Nagi

[BishopM 114]

Matt 12:43-45. Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it. Then it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came'; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order. Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation."

While at first it appears that Christ was talking about hippies, many of these parables come from works lost to the modern scholar.

We are creatures of habit, and it seems without something to give direction and purpose to our lives, we fall back on old habits, and pick up a few new ones along the way.

Thanks brother Mark!

Hello Brother SOG,

Yep, you have nailed it exactly. I also believe that this verse is very applicable to any breathing person because it is very practical advice on the management of habits. If anyone has ever tried to break a bad habit, they know it is difficult...the bad habit seems to 'linger' about, always waiting to detect a moment of weakness and then 'return home'..................With the spirit cast out (bad habit identified and discontinued), the mind is ‘swept’ of that bad habit. Yet, the elimination of one bad habit always seems to leave a vacuum in its wake. It must be filled, or ‘seven worse habits’ may take its place (the mind is fickle and can’t be left idle).

Blessings!

Weekend right around the corner

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Hello Brother SOG,

Yep, you have nailed it exactly. I also believe that this verse is very applicable to any breathing person because it is very practical advice on the management of habits. If anyone has ever tried to break a bad habit, they know it is difficult...the bad habit seems to 'linger' about, always waiting to detect a moment of weakness and then 'return home'..................With the spirit cast out (bad habit identified and discontinued), the mind is ‘swept’ of that bad habit. Yet, the elimination of one bad habit always seems to leave a vacuum in its wake. It must be filled, or ‘seven worse habits’ may take its place (the mind is fickle and can’t be left idle).

Blessings!

Weekend right around the corner

Sometimes it is centering to reflect not on the path one's life has taken, but rather a few stops along the way. When times get you down, look back to where you have been, and see if that does not give you comfort: Not the best of times, but the worst of times, and how we somehow manage to endure. Those "evil spirits" call to me from time to time, and it is through reflection, where I compare what I have now, to what I would lose, that keeps me from heeding their call.

Edited September 2, 2011 by Crusty Old Perv

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1 Corinthians 14:34-35

34 let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.

35 And if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

1 Corinthians 14:34-35

34 let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.

35 And if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church.

Paul was a #######, and full of himself at times. What can I say?

ETA: He was also a Roman, that gets reflected time and again in his writings.

Edited September 2, 2011 by Crusty Old Perv

[BishopM 114]

Sometimes it is centering to reflect not on the path one's life has taken, but rather a few stops along the way. When times get you down, look back to where you have been, and see if that does not give you comfort: Not the best of times, but the worst of times, and how we somehow manage to endure. Those "evil spirits" call to me from time to time, and it is through reflection, where I compare what I have now, to what I would lose, that keeps me from heeding their call.

Good advice Brother. It is all about awareness. Blessings!

[BishopM 114]

Paul was a #######, and full of himself at times. What can I say?

ETA: He was also a Roman, that gets reflected time and again in his writings.

That quote also has a lot to do with the context of the times...if read literally. If not read literally...well, take it or leave it if you think you can...

Paul covered all his bases though when he said in Romans 7:15, "We know the law is spiritual, but I am carnal. What I do, I do not understand. For I do not do what I want but I do what I hate...."

...there are some quips from Paul that definitely make me scratch my head...but I can understand/empathize/share in his sentiments when it comes to this particular verse...because, again, it has to do with management of habits.

[웃 910]

Bible Quote for September 2

Plagues for Nonbelieving Nations

And the LORD will send a plague on all the nations that fought against Jerusalem. Their people will become like walking corpses, their flesh rotting away. Their eyes will shrivel in their sockets, and their tongues will decay in their mouths. On that day they will be terrified, stricken by the LORD with great panic. They will fight against each other in hand-to-hand combat; Judah, too, will be fighting at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the neighboring nations will be captured – great quantities of gold and silver and fine clothing. This same plague will strike the horses, mules, camels, donkeys, and all the other animals in the enemy camps. In the end, the enemies of Jerusalem who survive the plague will go up to Jerusalem each year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Shelters. And any nation anywhere in the world that refuses to come to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, will have no rain. And if the people of Egypt refuse to attend the festival, the LORD will punish them with the same plague that he sends on the other nations who refuse to go. Egypt and the other nations will all be punished if they don't go to celebrate the festival. (Zechariah 14:12-19 NLT)

[BishopM 114]

Bible Quote for September 2

Plagues for Nonbelieving Nations

And the LORD will send a plague on all the nations that fought against Jerusalem. Their people will become like walking corpses, their flesh rotting away. Their eyes will shrivel in their sockets, and their tongues will decay in their mouths. On that day they will be terrified, stricken by the LORD with great panic. They will fight against each other in hand-to-hand combat; Judah, too, will be fighting at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the neighboring nations will be captured great quantities of gold and silver and fine clothing. This same plague will strike the horses, mules, camels, donkeys, and all the other animals in the enemy camps. In the end, the enemies of Jerusalem who survive the plague will go up to Jerusalem each year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Shelters. And any nation anywhere in the world that refuses to come to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, will have no rain. And if the people of Egypt refuse to attend the festival, the LORD will punish them with the same plague that he sends on the other nations who refuse to go. Egypt and the other nations will all be punished if they don't go to celebrate the festival. (Zechariah 14:12-19 NLT)

Whoa! It sounds like you're going to have a hard time LI!

Edited September 2, 2011 by BishopM

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Mark 10:21-27,31 Jesus looked steadily at him and loved him, and he said, "There is one thing you lack. Go and sell everything you own and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." But his face fell at these words and he went away sad, for he was a man of great wealth. Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!" The disciples were astounded by these words, but Jesus insisted, "My children," he said to them, "how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." They were more astonished than ever. "In that case," they said to one another, "who can be saved?" Jesus gazed at them. "For men," he said, "it is impossible, but not for God: because everything is possible for God... Many who are first will be last, and the last first."

[BishopM 114]

Mark 10:21-27,31 Jesus looked steadily at him and loved him, and he said, "There is one thing you lack. Go and sell everything you own and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." But his face fell at these words and he went away sad, for he was a man of great wealth. Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!" The disciples were astounded by these words, but Jesus insisted, "My children," he said to them, "how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." They were more astonished than ever. "In that case," they said to one another, "who can be saved?" Jesus gazed at them. "For men," he said, "it is impossible, but not for God: because everything is possible for God... Many who are first will be last, and the last first."

Hey Brother Steven,

Nice addition! I have to admit that this is also a favorite verse of mine. I like it, again, because it is practical...yet so difficult to actually do!

I can say though, that once in my life about 10 years ago, I did exactly as this verse has prescribed. For once in my life I was practical!

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Mark 10:21-27,31 Jesus looked steadily at him and loved him, and he said, "There is one thing you lack. Go and sell everything you own and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." But his face fell at these words and he went away sad, for he was a man of great wealth. Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!" The disciples were astounded by these words, but Jesus insisted, "My children," he said to them, "how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." They were more astonished than ever. "In that case," they said to one another, "who can be saved?" Jesus gazed at them. "For men," he said, "it is impossible, but not for God: because everything is possible for God... Many who are first will be last, and the last first."

Interesting read:

The Eye of a Needle

Many visitors to this site come seeking an understanding of what Yeshua (Jesus) meant when He said, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God" (MARK 10:25). The following is what I have found as the answer.

There are at least four possible explanations for what Yeshua said. One, that "eye of a needle" was a narrow mountain pass of which it was difficult for a camel to go through. That explanation is plausible but not very likely there being no known pass by that name in that part of the world. Another explanation is given by EW Bullinger in his Companion Bible. He wrote,

"...the eye of the needle, a small door fixed in a gate and opened after dark. To pass through, the camel must be unloaded. Hence the difficulty of the rich man. He must be unloaded, and hence the proverb, common in the East. In Palestine the "camel"; in the Babylonian Talmud it is the elephant".

Manners and Customs of the Bible by James Freeman gives a similar explanation. This second explanation seems reasonable except for a couple of things. First, at the time of Yeshua's quote, He was on the coast of Judaea and was near no city gates. One might expect that when Yeshua made reference to something in His teaching, He pointed to it as His illustration. When He said one might wither a fig tree or cast a mountain into the sea (MATHEW 21:21), He very likely pointed at the fig tree and at mount Olivet and then at the sea. When He said that Solomon was not arrayed like one of these lilies, He probably pointed at the flower for the comparison. If He was standing alongside a city gate as He made this statement about a camel entering through the eye of a needle, Bullinger's suggestion might seem more likely, but not as much so if He was walking along the sea coast.

In addition to this, the New Bible Dictionary says concerning the existence of these gates, that "there is no historical evidence to support this". The context of His teaching does not place Him around camels or city gates, and with "no historical evidence to support" the idea that He was indeed referring to a camel going through a city gate, it seems to me quite a stretch to assume Bullinger is right.

A third suggestion of the meaning of a camel going through the eye of a needle is given by Abraham Mitrie Rihbany in his book The Syrian Christ. On pages 131-132 quoted below, he comments on the idea of the eye of the needle being a city gate.

The saying [about a camel going through the eye of a needle] is current in the East, and in all probability it was a common saying there long before the advent of Christ. But I never knew that small door in a city or a castle gate to be called the needle's eye; nor indeed the large gate to be called the needle. The name of that door, in the common speech of the country, is the "plum," and I am certain the Scriptural passage makes no reference to it whatever.

The Koran makes use of this expression in one of its purest classical Arabic passages. The term employed here- sum-el-khiat- can mean only the sewing instrument, and nothing else.

So, it would appear that although the gates may of existed, they were not called "needle's eyes". Mr. Rihbany suggests that Yeshua was simply speaking figuratively, as when He said "Ye blind guides, which strain at [out] a gnat and swallow a camel" (MATTHEW 23:24). Perhaps this is so, and without the final explanation given below, it sounds most plausible.

Lastly however, is the explanation which seems the most likely. Most Christians realize that the Gospels weren't originally written in English. Some think they were written in Latin, most believe they were first written in Greek. Very possibly though, some if not all were written in the language of Yeshua and His followers, Aramaic. This language was all but forgotten until about a hundred years ago, which is why few students are familiar with it. Dr. George Lamsa, who has written extensively about the language and in his book entitled Gospel Light clarifies for us the probable meaning of Yeshua's words concerning the eye of a needle. I will quote from page 167.

"The Aramaic word gamla means camel, a large rope and a beam. The meaning of the word is determined by its context. If the word riding or burden occurs then gamla means a camel, but when the eye of a needle is mentioned gamla more correctly means a rope. There is no connection anywhere in Aramaic speech or literature between camel and needle, but there is a definite connection between rope and needle."

Most English versions of the Gospels came from Greek texts by translators who may have known nothing about Aramaic. Thus "camel" would have been translated instead of "rope". It takes little effort to imagine Yeshua, while walking along the sea coast, pointing to a rope and saying, "It is easier for a camel [a gamla, a rope] to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God".

One final note of information should be passed along to the reader. In his book Judaism in the First Three Centuries of the Christian Era, George Foot Moore shares the following from ancient Jewish beliefs.

God encourages and assists every movement of man's heart towards him. The words of the lover in the Song of Songs (5,2), 'Open to me, my sister,' are thus applied: God says, "Open to me an entrance no larger than the eye of a needle, and I will open to you an entrance through which tents and great timbers can pass."

Now let us venture beyond which was actually spoken by the Lord. Let us consider, in the context, what our Lord was meaning by His illustration. His context has to do with entering the kingdom of GOD. In the previous chapter He had warned that "if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire". Then a few verses before the one we are studying, He said, "Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein". We all know the eagerness and excitement children have for learning. What parent hasn't tired of hearing their child ask, "but why"? If we are to discover that hidden kingdom of GOD, we also must not only remove from us anything that may offend, but also we must with childlike meekness ask to receive answers and knock so as to have doors opened unto us.

As we continue reading the record in Mark's gospel we come to our verse in question. A wealthy man had come to Yeshua seeking what he must do to "inherit eternal life". After hearing Yeshua's response, Mark wrote that the man "was sad at that saying, and went away grieved". He was sad and he was grieved because Yeshua's response was not the answer he had hoped for. He didn't realize that greater wealth then he had ever dreamed of could be his if he accepted Yeshua's answer. This man was as the seed sown amongst thorns. He was acquainted with accumulating "great possessions" but he was not acquainted with laying up "treasure in heaven". He may have known "the commandments" but he didn't know the Word of GOD.

It is interesting that before Yeshua gave him his answer, the Scripture says that Yeshua "loved him". That is always why the word is sown. That is why the word is sent. But too often it is rejected. Yeshua wasn't desiring to deprive this rich man of his wealth. Yeshua was showing him the way into the kingdom of GOD. Yeshua was offering him treasures vastly superior to any that moth and rust could corrupt. Thus, three times, as if trying to drive the point home to His disciples, Yeshua said, "How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God...how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God...It is easier for a camel [rope] to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God". For Yeshua to declare this warning three times, speaks loudly to those who have ears to hear. The desire for riches is not to be underestimated in its ability to deceive and divert one from the narrow way that leads unto life.

Many people living in the Bible lands at the time when the Gospels were written, erroneously believed that all wealth was a blessing from GOD. If one was poor, then the people believed that he must surely be cursed by GOD, but if one was rich he must surely be blessed by GOD. This is why the disciples then "were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?" (MARK 10:26). They thought that if the rich found it difficult to enter the kingdom of GOD, what chance did the rest of them have? Much of Yeshua's teaching endeavored to correct the false assumption that wealth is always a blessing from GOD. The truth is more the other way. Usually the pursuit of wealth insulates us from the workings of GOD in our lives. It can choke the word sown in our hearts and rob us of eternal treasures our heavenly Father desires for us to obtain. Hence, it is difficult (not impossible) for a rich man to enter the kingdom of GOD. Many stumble at this and are sad and go away grieved, having found no answer that pleases them. A few however are willing to set aside secondary pursuits and seek with all their heart to know HIM who knew them "before the foundation of the world" (EPHESIANS 1:4).

MARK 8:35, 36 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

http://www.eyeoftheneedle.net/Church%20Traditions/eye_of_a_needle.htm

Edited September 2, 2011 by Crusty Old Perv