Does violate school bus stop affects Removing Condition?

[rocks 494]

Even the driver learning book didn't explain that if it's in the opposite lane you need to stop as well.

Iowa drivers manual

When you meet an oncoming school bus displaying flashing amber lights, you must slow down to no more than 20 mph and be prepared to stop. If the red lights are flashing or if the stop arm is out, you must come to a complete stop at least 15 feet from the bus. You must remain stopped as long as the red lights flash or the stop arm is out.

The only exception to this is where you are approaching the bus from the opposite direction on a road with at least two lanes in each direction.

When overtaking a school bus, you may not pass when red or amber warning lights are flashing.

After a school bus has stopped to let students off, watch for children on the side of the road.

[estrella 14]

And I don't think the kids are just "runing out to the traffic". That's why cars need to stop completely when the bus's red liights are flashing and the stop sign is out, so the kids can cross safely. I don't see how it doesn't make sense to you. Pedestrians are supposed to have the right of way all the time anyway.

[rocks 494]

And I don't think the kids are just "runing out to the traffic". That's why cars need to stop completely when the bus's red liights are flashing and the stop sign is out, so the kids can cross safely. I don't see how it doesn't make sense to you. Pedestrians are supposed to have the right of way all the time anyway.

That is exactly what I thought.

[rahulv 4]

Just a comment here, while I also know stopping for a school bus is mandatory (just like stopping for a tram or regular bus in Aus) I've never been in a location where I can't continue if the bus is on the opposite side of the road, or where I can't go AROUND the bus by hopping into the next lane. For instance, the trams occasionally travel on 2 lane roads. We drive on the left so the tram would be in the middle of the road or in the right lane. You are NOT allowed to go into the left lane and drive past a stopped tram with it's little "stop" out (almost did once 'cause I didn't see it.. eep!). School buses open with their doors to the street and kids are expected to obey the laws of the road (stay on the side of the road until the bus is gone so you can look for traffic. Do NOT walk in front of the bus. Cross at the pedestrian crossings) but you still drive at 20kms in a school zone.

My natural instinct is to keep going but cross into the farthest lane and that's what I thought you did until Tony told me more about it. Even the driver learning book didn't explain that if it's in the opposite lane you need to stop as well. That makes no sense to me as 1. people should be teaching their kids not to run out into the road and 2. There should be a safety monitor there who gets out first like a lollipop lady with her "stop" stick to make sure people stop while the kids cross.

So I completely understand how she could have got this fine.

People can teach their kids but kids are kids. It's onto responsible adults to make sure they are safe and STOP when school bus lights are flashing. That's the law.

[VanessaTony 3,567]

Iowa drivers manual

When you meet an oncoming school bus displaying flashing amber lights, you must slow down to no more than 20 mph and be prepared to stop. If the red lights are flashing or if the stop arm is out, you must come to a complete stop at least 15 feet from the bus. You must remain stopped as long as the red lights flash or the stop arm is out.

The only exception to this is where you are approaching the bus from the opposite direction on a road with at least two lanes in each direction.

When overtaking a school bus, you may not pass when red or amber warning lights are flashing.

After a school bus has stopped to let students off, watch for children on the side of the road.

EXACTLY my point! My point was it isn't spelled out in black and white "No matter what direction you are travelling in, or what side of the road the bus is on, you must stop". It's asking you to find it obvious from "the only exception is when you're approaching from the opposite direction with 2 lanes". I speak English and I still find it confusing. Especially as "the only exception" follows several statements, such as the distance, length of time to remain stopped, speed etc. It's a poorly worded manual. I hated reading it.

[rocks 494]

People can teach their kids but kids are kids. It's onto responsible adults to make sure they are safe and STOP when school bus lights are flashing. That's the law.

EXACTLY my point! My point was it isn't spelled out in black and white "No matter what direction you are travelling in, or what side of the road the bus is on, you must stop". It's asking you to find it obvious from "the only exception is when you're approaching from the opposite direction with 2 lanes". I speak English and I still find it confusing. Especially as "the only exception" follows several statements, such as the distance, length of time to remain stopped, speed etc. It's a poorly worded manual. I hated reading it.

It is poorly written, they all are. Mine was in black and white so I couldn't tell what any of the road markings were! It says you must stop 15 ft away from school bus when the stop sign is down unless there are two or more lanes in each direction. I'm not entirely sure why two lanes in either direction would make a difference though? Perhaps because there would be a proper crossing for them to use?

Ours is pretty clear about it. Maybe it should say this in all of them!

YOU MUST STOP FOR A SCHOOL BUS, regardless of your direction, whenever the bus is stopped and

receiving or discharging children. You may not proceed until all children have safely crossed the street. This rule

applies to all highways including four-lanes.

[aravis227 1]

When you meet an oncoming school bus displaying flashing amber lights, you must slow down to no more than 20 mph and be prepared to stop. If the red lights are flashing or if the stop arm is out, you must come to a complete stop at least 15 feet from the bus. You must remain stopped as long as the red lights flash or the stop arm is out.

The only exception to this is where you are approaching the bus from the opposite direction on a road with at least two lanes in each direction.

When overtaking a school bus, you may not pass when red or amber warning lights are flashing.

After a school bus has stopped to let students off, watch for children on the side of the road.

EXACTLY my point! My point was it isn't spelled out in black and white "No matter what direction you are travelling in, or what side of the road the bus is on, you must stop". It's asking you to find it obvious from "the only exception is when you're approaching from the opposite direction with 2 lanes". I speak English and I still find it confusing. Especially as "the only exception" follows several statements, such as the distance, length of time to remain stopped, speed etc. It's a poorly worded manual. I hated reading it.

I actually thought it was pretty clear... Oncoming means it's going the opposite direction, overtake means you're going the same direction.

[VanessaTony 3,567]

I actually thought it was pretty clear... Oncoming means it's going the opposite direction, overtake means you're going the same direction.

Maybe. Have a look at the manual. It was LONG and OMG so so boring.. I had to read it in shifts :S When I first started reading it the first section I thought was the "intro" and not part i had to read 'cause it was all squished together.. nope, that was the start of the book :S