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[_Simpson_ 250]

Actually it would change things a little bit and be more credible. You don't find it strange that humans have been roaming the earth for 400,000 years but God/Jesus/Christianity has only been around for a minuscule 2000 years? It discredits religion. You can't have humans around for 400,000 years and then Jesus pop up 2,000 years ago and it is the real deal religion. It'd be like in the year 402,011 AD (400,000 years from now) a new religion pops up and it's to be taken seriously...

If "God" was born in 2007 (4.5 years ago) then...well...ummm... I don't understand this one

What if god was a scientist? This shite doesn't happen over night.

[_Simpson_ 250]

When you stare into space it becomes overwhelmingly clear that something like "God" is just petty.

You can fit 1.3 million of these earths inside the sun. There are so many stars out there - a good analogy is if you tried to go to every ocean floor, every beach, every lake, every river, every place on earth where there is sand....And you individually picked up each grain of sand one by one.....And then repeated the process 10 to 30 times in a row.

Just mind boggling.

When you see the size of VY Canis Majoris (the largest star in the universe) and you compare it to the size of the sun - knowing the sun represents 1.3 million earths (a number that we cannot even begin to comprehend) - it becomes very clear that something called "god" is just a petty laughable joke.

You can travel for thousands and thousands and millions and billions of years (not at 50 miles an hour..but the speed of light) and for comparison (probably a bad one) - it'd be like only having stepped out your front door and went to the mailbox...

When you sort of get (impossible to even partially grasp) the sizes, the speeds, and the times of the universe it becomes evident that a religion made up 30,000 years ago (realistically less than 4000 years ago) by people that have been around for 400,000 years, in a place called earth that was born 4.5 billion years ago. Considering earth is like 1 grain of sand within our Milky Way galaxy.

A galaxy so large it takes 100,000 light years to "run" from one end to the other. Full with 100s and 100s of billions of stars.

When you look at some of the sizes of those stars compared to our sun it becomes even more clear that we are nothing.

And these are just a handful of hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy (1 galaxy among hundreds of billions of more galaxies).

"God" being every where, knowing everything, loving everyone, giving us a happy place to spend eternity in (or a sad place to spend eternity) - Is. Extremely. Petty. And. Childish.

How did things come to be? How did something come from nothing? I doubt you have all the answers so I don't see why you need to ridicule people who believe in god.

Edited September 1, 2011 by _Simpson_

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I find it funny, that now some religions have finally begun to acknowledge that even within the last 100 years, there is evidence of evolution, and even try to incorporate it into their teachings. They are at odds with the evolution theory of the beginning of mankind. Nice try to add some legitimacy to their argument while denying the major focus of the dispute between the two sides. With regards to the origins of man, creationism is definitely at odds with evolution theory. However, there is no scientific method to creationism, so it should never be taught as a legitimate science.

I think your a bit confused, creationism is clearly not in the scientific realm, its in the philosophical.

[Nina~ 431]

How did things come to be? How did something come from nothing? I doubt you have all the answers so I don't see why you need to ridicule people who believe in god.

Since we don't know the answer, why should the automatic default answer be God/Jesus?

Why can't we just accept that we will probably never know the answers for these kinds of questions, instead of saying it is because of "God"?

[B_J 2,752]

Since we don't know the answer, why should the automatic default answer be God/Jesus?

Why can't we just accept that we will probably never know the answers for these kinds of questions, instead of saying it is because of "God"?

There is no automatic default answer.

I choose to believe in God, others choose not to. We each get to make our own choices. But I don't come on these boards calling those who believe different than me childish and petty. I guess that's because I believe that name calling makes one appear childish and petty.

[Nina~ 431]

There is no automatic default answer.

I choose to believe in God, others choose not to. We each get to make our own choices. But I don't come on these boards calling those who believe different than me childish and petty. I guess that's because I believe that name calling makes one appear childish and petty.

I did not call anyone childish or petty. And furthermore, I do believe in the existence of a higher power, aka God, that I do not comprehend. My intent was to point out that Simpson had a weak argument to prove the existence of God. We really can not use "God" as the answer for all of life's mysteries.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Since we don't know the answer, why should the automatic default answer be God/Jesus?

Why can't we just accept that we will probably never know the answers for these kinds of questions, instead of saying it is because of "God"?

??? I have never suggested that it should be the default answer, I have mentioned several times here at VJ that I'm agnostic and not a atheist. We dont know and thats why atheists like Lord Infamous are so annoying and need to be addressed.

I did not call anyone childish or petty. And furthermore, I do believe in the existence of a higher power, aka God, that I do not comprehend. My intent was to point out that Simpson had a weak argument to prove the existence of God. We really can not use "God" as the answer for all of life's mysteries.

It was never a argument to prove the existence of God. I was addressing Lord infamous on going instance that their is not a god.

[Nina~ 431]

How did things come to be? How did something come from nothing? I doubt you have all the answers so I don't see why you need to ridicule people who believe in god.

Any my question is why do we need to believe in God to answer those questions? Why can't we just accept that we will probably never know how things came about from "nothing".

I do not have proof either way if God exists or does not. Unless if God appears to me personally, at which point I might check myself into a psychiatric facility. But at the same time, I am not going to be so presumptuous and believe there is no higher power. Science can't prove it either way. Sorry LI, but your arguments are pretty lame too.. There is no correlation between the significance of something and it's relative existence in time.

As B_J said, you either choose to believe or choose not to believe.

[B_J 2,752]

I did not call anyone childish or petty. And furthermore, I do believe in the existence of a higher power, aka God, that I do not comprehend. My intent was to point out that Simpson had a weak argument to prove the existence of God. We really can not use "God" as the answer for all of life's mysteries.

Apologies to you. I wasn't referring to you with that statement, I just happened to attach it to my reply to you. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Any my question is why do we need to believe in God to answer those questions? Why can't we just accept that we will probably never know how things came about from "nothing".

I do not have proof either way if God exists or does not. Unless if God appears to me personally, at which point I might check myself into a psychiatric facility. But at the same time, I am not going to be so presumptuous and believe there is no higher power. Science can't prove it either way. Sorry LI, but your arguments are pretty lame too.. There is no correlation between the significance of something and it's relative existence in time.

As B_J said, you either choose to believe or choose not to believe.

or you choose not to do either. I simply do not know if there is a God. I don't know why you're at odds with me but I have pretty much said what you are saying. I was addressing LI's ongoing biteching about how religious people are stupid. I was only pointing out his own stupidity.

Edited September 1, 2011 by _Simpson_

[BishopM 114]

When you stare into space it becomes overwhelmingly clear that something like "God" is just petty.

You can fit 1.3 million of these earths inside the sun. There are so many stars out there - a good analogy is if you tried to go to every ocean floor, every beach, every lake, every river, every place on earth where there is sand....And you individually picked up each grain of sand one by one.....And then repeated the process 10 to 30 times in a row.

Just mind boggling.

When you see the size of VY Canis Majoris (the largest star in the universe) and you compare it to the size of the sun - knowing the sun represents 1.3 million earths (a number that we cannot even begin to comprehend) - it becomes very clear that something called "god" is just a petty laughable joke.

You can travel for thousands and thousands and millions and billions of years (not at 50 miles an hour..but the speed of light) and for comparison (probably a bad one) - it'd be like only having stepped out your front door and went to the mailbox...

When you sort of get (impossible to even partially grasp) the sizes, the speeds, and the times of the universe it becomes evident that a religion made up 30,000 years ago (realistically less than 4000 years ago) by people that have been around for 400,000 years, in a place called earth that was born 4.5 billion years ago. Considering earth is like 1 grain of sand within our Milky Way galaxy.

A galaxy so large it takes 100,000 light years to "run" from one end to the other. Full with 100s and 100s of billions of stars.

When you look at some of the sizes of those stars compared to our sun it becomes even more clear that we are nothing.

And these are just a handful of hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy (1 galaxy among hundreds of billions of more galaxies).

"God" being every where, knowing everything, loving everyone, giving us a happy place to spend eternity in (or a sad place to spend eternity) - Is. Extremely. Petty. And. Childish.

Whoa...Brother LI, that is one dooozy of a teeter-totter type of argument!

Are you saying that science disproves God? Just curious...you know how childish I can be

[BishopM 114]

or you choose not to do either. I simply do not know if there is a God. I don't know why you're at odds with me but I have pretty much said what you are saying. I was addressing LI's ongoing biteching about how religious people are stupid. I was only pointing out his own stupidity.

Personally, I don't have a choice. I have to believe. God's been on my case since day one and he's becoming even more intrusive as I get older!!!

[The_Dude 1,142]

I think your a bit confused, creationism is clearly not in the scientific realm, its in the philosophical.

Indeed I am. There are many, who try to claim that it is though. However, I don't consider it a science at all. How can you consider something a science when the only reference material is a book that cannot be substantiated, ever?

Edited September 1, 2011 by Master Baiter

[_Simpson_ 250]

Personally, I don't have a choice. I have to believe. God's been on my case since day one and he's becoming even more intrusive as I get older!!!

Well hopefully one day he will get on my case too because I don't want this to be it.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Well hopefully one day he will get on my case too because I don't want this to be it.

Life is what you make of it. Don't waste your time sitting around waiting for someone to come and make it better for you.