Perry

[Danno 1,228]

I am calling you and you need to apologize to me - are you big enough ?

Arkansas is one of half a dozen states that still exclude non-believers from public office. Article 19 Section 1 of the 1874 Arkansas Constitution states that "No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any court."

NOW HIT THIS LINK AND BELIEVE !!! >>>

crawl !

Duffass, did you read your own linked article?

Let me quote.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled all such state provisions unconstitutional and unenforceable in a 1961 ruling in a Maryland case: "We repeat and again reaffirm that neither a State nor the Federal Government can constitutionally force a person 'to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion.'"

So you failed to name even one state where atheists are barred from serving. (because there are none)

[Captain Oates 911]

Duffass, did you read your own linked article?

Let me quote.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled all such state provisions unconstitutional and unenforceable in a 1961 ruling in a Maryland case: "We repeat and again reaffirm that neither a State nor the Federal Government can constitutionally force a person 'to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion.'"

So you failed to name even one state where atheists are barred from serving. (because there are none)

You should not call names on here.

You shouldnt call me a dumbass - its not allowed or perhaps you didnt read that when you signed up ?

I am afraid its you who can't comprehend - of course its unconstitutional but these States REFUSE to take the laws off their books - didnt you get that ? Go back and read it slowly again.

Instead they passed a law allowing guns in church

It is so tiring holding your hand through all this - even when I put your nose in the book, you still can't understand

what it says

Even when I prove what I am saying, you won't admit it because you can't comprehend what it says. If you did comprehend you would not admit I am right and you are wrong because you are too small - what else would I expect from you ?

Whats the point - none

Forget it

[웃 910]

Duffass, did you read your own linked article?

You shouldnt call me a dumbass - its not allowed or perhaps you didnt read that when you signed up ?

In Danno's defense, he didn't call you a dumbass.

He called you a [sic] duffass

Edited August 26, 2011 by Lord Infamous

[mawilson 2,133]

The president does not have the right to say that he is laying the constitution aside and excluding people of certain religious beliefs from citizenship in his eyes

Was he the President when he said that? No.

Was he addressing the American people as President of the United States when he said that? Again, no.

As an atheist, I do think what he said was misguided and inappropriate, but I do believe he had the right to say it and it was our right not to vote for him.

[Danno 1,228]

It's true that I think the world would be better off without religion and I don't hide that,

PLease name for me the society you would want to live in which was not built on the Principles which are the foundation of Christianity?

[mawilson 2,133]

PLease name for me the society you would want to live in which was not built on the Principles which are the foundation of Christianity?

Israel? Not that I "want to live" there, but it's not a bad place to be, terrorist attacks notwithstanding.

[Danno 1,228]

Israel? Not that I "want to live" there, but it's not a bad place to be, terrorist attacks notwithstanding.

Actually that was the only country that came to my mind.... and they too are part of the biblical influence in law and tradition.

[Captain Oates 911]

PLease name for me the society you would want to live in which was not built on the Principles which are the foundation of Christianity?

Does christianity include simulated drowning a person if you want information from them ?

Does Christi - Hannity include Dresden or Hamburg or Hiroshima ?

Does christianity include reducing social security and Medicare and education ?

Did christians commit the Mi Lai massacre of hundreds and the rape of children in the village ?

Did christians run auswitz ?

Was the Northern Ireland confict based on religion ?

The fact is that no country is run on christian principles

Christians are so arrogant in thinking that theft/rape/incest/assault is only perpetrated by non christians and would be the norm in a non-christian society

Look at crime in the USA that has the same percentage religious adherance as Iran etc. What benefit christian influence in those figures ? It sure isnt the non-believers who are causing all that crime. 100% of Mexican drug lords are christian ! Au Contraire, non believers are more usually thinking people who were brought up in a christian household but take a non-religious stance because of their thought through ideas on morality. I was brought up a 'Primitive Methodist' in England and so it's not like I am a semi-animal from the jungle who needs to be shown the light.

The US would love to have the kind of low-crime societies that much of Western Europe enjoys and in many Western European countries, non- religious people are the majority !

Religious people just kid themselves and are so isolated in the world and in their heads, that they have no information to base their thinking on and believe eveything they are told. They are believers, sheep of the shepherd.

Now all that is fine by me as it keeps the roads clear on a sunday morning, but when they start regulating my life and banning me from State employment and being a witness in court etc etc etc , then they are being aggressive and dominating over me and they is when I say 'enough'

I have proved that some States refuse to take those laws off their books even though they are unenforcable in Federal Court. I was called names for suggesting that these laws existed today, and when I proved it, all I get its snears

and no apology for the name calling from these so called christians

What else did I exoect from christians ? I know them and what they are capable of and that is why they scare me and why I dont want religion in politics

Edited August 26, 2011 by Alan the Red

[TBoneTX 45,291]

100% of Mexican drug lords are christian !

Have you surveyed 100% of them, or can you cite the reference, please?

[Danno 1,228]

Does christianity include simulated drowning a person if you want information from them ?

Does Christi - Hannity include Dresden or Hamburg or Hiroshima ?

Does christianity include reducing social security and Medicare and education ?

Did christians commit the Mi Lai massacre of hundreds and the rape of children in the village ?

Did christians run auswitz ?

Was the Northern Ireland confict based on religion ?

The fact is that no country is run on christian principles

Christians are so arrogant in thinking that theft/rape/incest/assault is only perpetrated by non christians and would be the norm in a non-christian society

Look at crime in the USA that has the same percentage religious adherance as Iran etc. What benefit christian influence in those figures ? It sure isnt the non-believers who are causing all that crime. 100% of Mexican drug lords are christian ! Au Contraire, non believers are more usually thinking people who were brought up in a christian household but take a non-religious stance because of their thought through ideas on morality. I was brought up a 'Primitive Methodist' in England and so it's not like I am a semi-animal from the jungle who needs to be shown the light.

The US would love to have the kind of low-crime societies that much of Western Europe enjoys and in many Western European countries, non- religious people are the majority !

Religious people just kid themselves and are so isolated in the world and in their heads, that they have no information to base their thinking on and believe eveything they are told. They are believers, sheep of the shepherd.

Now all that is fine by me as it keeps the roads clear on a sunday morning, but when they start regulating my life and banning me from State employment and being a witness in court etc etc etc , then they are being aggressive and dominating over me and they is when I say 'enough'

I have proved that some States refuse to take those laws off their books even though they are unenforcable in Federal Court. I was called names for suggesting that these laws existed today, and when I proved it, all I get its snears

and no apology for the name calling from these so called christians

What else did I exoect from christians ? I know them and what they are capable of and that is why they scare me and why I dont want religion in politics

But you never named the countries built on your ideology ... that you would want to live in?

Why don't you admit it, you are a "spiritual freeloader"

YOu love the fruits a a religious people enough to live in those zip codes... mean while you rattle on about a -more perfect way..... which you never locate on a map for me.

[Captain Oates 911]

Have you surveyed 100% of them, or can you cite the reference, please?

Are you trying to deny that the overwhelming percentage of Mexicans involved in illegal drugs are Catholic (christians) ?

On what basis would you assert that ?

Now stop nit-picking, trying to divert the thread, and address the thread which is that christians are proposing to dominate ALL Americans by faith based legislation.

The founding fathers were well aware of this tendency and phrased the 1st amendment accordingly

I find it enormously sad that a citizen of 8 months is having to fiercly defend the 1st amendment and the separation of church and state against natural born citizens who put their pernicious cults first, while paying lip service only to the constitution

Edited August 26, 2011 by Alan the Red

[Captain Oates 911]

But you never named the countries built on your ideology ... that you would want to live in?

Why don't you admit it, you are a "spiritual freeloader"

YOu love the fruits a a religious people enough to live in those zip codes... mean while you rattle on about a -more perfect way..... which you never locate on a map for me.

You missed the point that the western country's decency was built by the people of those countries in DEFIANCE of christianity

For instance ?

Do you think gay bashing would have been outlawed if the church had been leading ?

My grandad was sent to die by a church of england chaplain who told him god wanted him to kill German boys.

The German boy who killed him was a christian too and was told by his chaplain that god wanted him to kill English boys

The end of torture by the church and the burning of people was something that came from the people.

The church burned people who said the earth went round the sun and was not flat

Progress was made by scientists who worked in great FEAR of the church and not because the church wanted change

You freedom from malaria and smallpox and all the wonderful things you enjoy in your 1st world existence, came from science and not god or the church. Even the moon shots were only made possible by the US capturing and using the high ranking nazi wernher von braun who was not a model christian and used slave labor

You can't say god cured smallpox without saying she created it in the first place - and if you think my posts are daft, then you ought to turn that thought over in your mind...

The progress of which you speak was all IN SPITE of the church who were adrag on progess. The very word 'progressive' is a dirty word in the mouths of the religious right

All the countries of which you speak are turning AWAY from religion and so is the USA !! Non belief is the fastest growing opinion in the USA and Europe. Google that if you don't believe me.

Perhaps that is why the right wing christians are moving so fast - to try and stitch up the people with their religion based laws before their decline goes much further

Repelling the religious right is the duty of everyone who believes in the separation of church and state and the 1st amendment.

Would that Perry had carried out his threat to seceed into a white skinned christian Iran called Texas where people were executed and gays were jailed and rape victims were denied abortions and smiling on a sunday was forbidden and people like me were stripped of their Texas citizenship.

The right wing christian nut jobs go on about sharia law - and then proceed to try and nail people to the ground with their own version.

I say - stop peeping into my bedroom and get off my lawn and stop making me swear to your god on your bible. Mind your own business !

[Danno 1,228]

Are you trying to deny that the overwhelming percentage of Mexicans involved in illegal drugs are Catholic (christians) ?

On what basis would you assert that ?

Now stop nit-picking, trying to divert the thread, and address the thread which is that christians are proposing to dominate ALL Americans by faith based legislation.

The founding fathers were well aware of this tendency and phrased the 1st amendment accordingly

I find it enormously sad that a citizen of 8 months is having to fiercly defend the 1st amendment and the separation of church and state against natural born citizens who put their pernicious cults first, while paying lip service only to the constitution

Since you failed to name the Country you would want to live in, lets move on to your next point (which you will no doubt dodge as well).

What legislation are you referring to which will dominate all Americans.

NAME IT.

[Captain Oates 911]

Since you failed to name the Country you would want to live in, lets move on to your next point (which you will no doubt dodge as well).

What legislation are you referring to which will dominate all Americans.

NAME IT.

ok one at a time - abortion.

Lets hear you deny that the RWCNJ's want to stop it for all people of all faiths (or none) and that their intended legislation comes from their faith

Let me hear you deny that ? Would you put your hand on a murdered doctor's head and swear that isn't their intention ?

[웃 910]

Christi - Hannity

That's a good one!