Is it time to REDEFINE PEDOPHILES?

[Danno 1,228]

Blow it out your backside, Danno.

It's got nothing to do with the OP, however much you might want to try to inject into the discussion, or needle people to indulge you.

Demonstrating the progression of whats socially acceptable is relevant... that you quiver at such conversation says much.

Edited August 24, 2011 by Danno

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If you want to demonstrate that Pedophilia is a precursor to criminal behavior then show me evidence of the absence of Pedophilia outside of the Sex Offender Community. You'll have a difficult time getting anyone to admit to having an attraction to kids simply because to admit such a thing would make them a target for much of the hate the is directed towards Sex Offenders because the two are often equated. This very fact makes it difficult to get any real usable numbers. If the brain study was expanded to include a sample from the population in general and include testing arousal based on images of kids then it would be more useful.

Why would I show you the absence of pedophilia outside of the sex offender community? I've never said anywhere that pedophilia is the only form of sexual offence or that pedophiles are the only people who commit sexual offences or sexual offences against children. What I did say is that pedophiles are more likely to sexually molest children. The article I posted supports that statement:

1) Approximately 95% of incidents of sexual abuse of children age 12 and younger are committed by offenders who meet the diagnostic criteria for pedophilia

2) Such persons make up 65% of child molestation offenders.

3) Pedophilic child molesters commit ten times more sexual acts against children than non-pedophilic child molesters.

Just out of curiosity, what is alleged about my personal anecdotes? Are you implying that I am a liar?

Personal anecdotes are by definition alleged, I have no way to validate anything you (or anyone else writes on here). That said, you did say I was statistically wrong in my claim - technically that would be a lie, since you had no statistics to present (to which your response was to discount the value of statistics provided by research).

One of the most honest statements I ever heard was from a counselor (Licensed Therapist) who said the scariest thing about your average Sex Offender to the "Average Person" is not how different they are but how similar we all are. If there wasn't such a stigma to having the urges or feelings then I believe more offenders would seek treatment BEFORE they ever offend. his is why we need to move beyond the fear and anger, so that together we can fix the vast majority of potential offenders thereby saving countless children. There is shame in being a victim so most never seek help. There is shame in having the desire and admitting to it makes you a monster to most never seek help. Sex Offenses (especially against kids) is the most under-reported crime in the US. The only way to reduce is't proliferation is to shine a light on the real issues and try to help those who would offend BEFORE they do.

Sure there are monsters out there by just like serial killers are a very small group within our culture so are the truly vicious Sexual Predators who embrace the offenses and look forward to another one.

I'm going to sign out of this thread as I've said just about everything there is to say and I doubt anyone is listening anyway.

I agree that there is a stigma against pedophiles (and yes the common perception is that pedophile = child sex offender). That's partly the result of sensationalist media coverage that makes people think that sex offences are more likely than they actually are (in much the same way as it inflates the fear of crime in general) over and above it's actual occurence. On the other hand of course it is suggested that sexual offences are under-reported, so who knows.

Generally speaking, I don't believe in slapping a label on people and I believe that there is evidence that marginalising people by characterising them as deviant makes them more likely to act out the role society has given them (in other words, villifying pedophiles in public and the media makes re-offending more likely). It's not clear cut by any means - especially when there is no general agreement on whether a sexual preference towards children is a mental illness or something innate in biology.

Demonstrating the progression of whats socially acceptable is relevant... that you quiver at such conversation says much.

No Danno, it is not relevant and your attempts to needle me with lame taunts is not going to inspire much in the way of a civilised discussion.

Create a new thread, your tangent has no place in this one.

Edited August 24, 2011 by fishdude

[Danno 1,228]

No Danno, it is not relevant and your attempts to needle me with lame taunts is not going to inspire much in the way of a civilised discussion.

Create a new thread, your tangent has no place in this one.

Look I started this thread if you wish to put such restrictions on the scope of a given topic... Start your own thread on the subject.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Look I started this thread if you wish to put such restrictions on the scope of a given topic... Start your own thread on the subject.

That is irrelevant.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Bob and I are cool We disagree, but that's what we do here.

Sofiyya,

I have expressed by respect for you on more than one occasion in the forums here at VJ and I promise no offense was intended but I did not equate Pedophiles/Muslims/Blacks/Gays. Your misreading of my response pinpoints one of the most difficult aspects of the issues here: People get so emotionally charged-up that they let reason go by the wayside and can't discuss the issues at hand.

Pedophiles do not "by definition" undress kids in their minds and long to have sex with them. You make it sound like they are all preoccupied with having sex our children and that is no more true than to say all men are preoccupied with having sex with every woman they meet.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

good thing i didn't say anything about him going home, switching cars, & driving 5.3 miles the opposite direction to different fundraiser.

They have their car wash fund raisers here for the high school girls volley ball team, bb team, x-country, etc... so I make sure I get my truck done (it's the only time it ever gets washed), then I come home and pick up the ol lady's car and get that washed.

It's like one giant wet t-shirt contest. Those gals play it up and they make good on the tips.

[웃 910]

They have their car wash fund raisers here for the high school girls volley ball team, bb team, x-country, etc... so I make sure I get my truck done (it's the only time it ever gets washed), then I come home and pick up the ol lady's car and get that washed.

It's like one giant wet t-shirt contest. Those gals play it up and they make good on the tips.

I call them TILFs

[SMOKE 1,426]

I call them TILFs

you, kip, & my friend should hang out together.

[Ban Hammer 13,554]

[Dan and Judy 614]

I say if someone likes riding their bike, let em ride it

[scandal 951]

In before the lock!

Nah, that would be that other thread. This one's still going strong

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

They have their car wash fund raisers here for the high school girls volley ball team, bb team, x-country, etc... so I make sure I get my truck done (it's the only time it ever gets washed), then I come home and pick up the ol lady's car and get that washed.

It's like one giant wet t-shirt contest. Those gals play it up and they make good on the tips.

I'm sure you give them your tip, one girl at time. Do they spit shine your rims and do you let them polish your driveshaft? :whistle:

you, kip, & my friend should hang out together.

I don't care what you heard, I'm not bailing you guys out...again.

[SuperDuper! 230]

so, if a 30 something year old drives past an automatic car wash to go to the local HS cheerleaders fundraising car wash....yanno to help the kids out. does that make him a pedo?

No, it makes him charitable.

[keysjangle 145]

A person can think whatever they want to think. If one chooses to act on it and get caught, I have no moral qualms with seeing them surgically castrated/facial tattoos/lifetime incarceration/old yeller'd or so on. After hearing too many stories (I have foster parents in my family who take in these abused children) on the news, on crime investigation shows ... I'm sick of it. I don't care what compelled a man to molest a toddler or a handicapped teen - I care that it happened and chances are they'll do it again. However, an 18 year old guy getting slapped with statutory rape by his 15 year old girlfriends mom is insane. Mom needs to smoke a joint.

[Captain Oates 911]

We should re-spell pedophile as paedophile - the rest of the world spells it like that and we don't want to look simple or monosyllabic.

It's good to use the real English(Greek)language - I know it takes more effort (efat ?) - but it is a good mind-exercise