Israeli-Arab Crisis Approaching

[The_Dude 1,142]

Between 70 AD and 1948, there was no Israel, but there was a Palestine. There is no legitimacy to the claim that Jews are entitled to a nation in Palestine. The people who were there when the land was stolen from them are the legitimate landholders.

So the reality is, Israel has been an actual nation for the past 62 years while Palestine has never been a recognized nation.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Please remember that Visa Journey is a multi-cultural/multi-national community including Israeli citizens as members. It is no more acceptable to make blanket statements that imply all Israelis are terrorists than it is to make blanket statements that imply all members of Islam are terrorists.

VJ's community also includes Arabs, Muslims and Palestinians, like me, who are routinely spoken of as terrorists on this board in contrast to the view that Israel is an innocent victim of Arab violence. If you would like, I can point out many examples of that that are posted and condoned by the same people who may be prompting you to make your statement.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

So the reality is, Israel has been an actual nation for the past 62 years while Palestine has never been a recognized nation.

So was South Africa a nation by fraud, deceit and oppression. They also claimed an entitlement, as do all colonialists. No more.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

As you obviously don't like it when you're the focus of such 'labels' you are therefore in a good position to understand it when others so labeled don't appreciate it either. I don't need examples of other 'wrongs'. Two - or however many other wrongs there are - still don't make it right.

Edited August 24, 2011 by Kathryn41

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Is China "entitled" to Tibet? Were the Soviets "entitled" to their nation on the backs of the people they suppressed? If you have to steal a nation through deception and terror, then you can call yourself Israel.

I'm waiting for the usual argument that a Palestinian nation in Palestine would be a terrorist base set up to conquer Israel. Anyone care to trot out that canard for Kathryn's sake?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

As you obviously don't like it when you're the focus of such 'labels' you are therefore in a good position to understand it when others so labeled don't appreciate it either. I don't need examples of other 'wrongs'. Two - or however many other wrongs there are - still don't make it right.

I said that Israel is a terrorist nation because it was conceived in terror, and that is a historically verifiable statement. That label does not smear all Israelis any more than calling the US a Christian nation makes all Americans Christians.

Scandal has Zionist Biblical propaganda and his minions working overtime for him. It has never been a level field for the "other" side.

I am the only Palestinian here. The others look to you to mute me and allow them to smear me on a nearly daily basis. If your posts signal that there is a coming equity between what THEY can say about my people and that I can count on you to come to my aid when they slander, then that is an improvement over what has been the history here.

Edited August 24, 2011 by Sofiyya

[_Simpson_ 250]

Israel is in Palestine. To claim that "Hey, we once had a nation here centuries ago, so, that makes it ours now when we show up to claim it" is ridiculous. Israelis are not more entitled to the land than the people who actually lived there before a bunch of Europeans came and devised a scam to take it from them.

That is good logic for Muslims to follow, would hate to see them give back Mecca. Do you want Israel out of the region all together? I remember you saying that it was up to the people of Palestine. Would you support them if that was their wish, well actually that is their wish but if they publicly made it clear would you?

Edited August 24, 2011 by _Simpson_

[Sofiyya 1,687]

That is good logic for Muslims to follow, would hate to see them give back Mecca. Do you want Israel out of the region all together? I remember you saying that it was up to the people of Palestine. Would you support them if that was their wish, well actually that is their wish but if they publicly made it clear would you?

Who would Muslims give Mecca back to?

Do you support a Palestinian nation and a roll back of Israel to the '67 borders?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Oh, another tidbit that your Zionist propaganda omits. Not all Palestinians resisting Israel's oppression are Muslim. There are Christians among us since the beginning. They are also victims of the land grab and among those "terrorists" fighting back.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Who would Muslims give Mecca back to?

Pagans

Do you support a Palestinian nation and a roll back of Israel to the '67 borders?

Yes I do. I know it will not magically fix everything but its a must if we are ever to have peace in the region. Would you support the Palestine people if they publicly made it clear that they wanted Israel out of the region?

Edited August 24, 2011 by _Simpson_

[웃 910]

Obama should end this right now: Free air fare, green card, and a minimum wage job to:

The largest employer is the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, which employs more than 3,900. Another 1,600 work at two Wal-Mart distribution centers.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Obama should end this right now: Free air fare, green card, and a minimum wage job to:

The largest employer is the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, which employs more than 3,900. Another 1,600 work at two Wal-Mart distribution centers.

Good idea, there is no revolving prison doors in Texas.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Pagans

Yes I do. I know it will not magically fix everything but its a must if we are ever to have peace in the region. Would you support the Palestine people if they publicly made it clear that they wanted Israel out of the region?

Would would represent the Palestinians in such a call? Israel will fall because of its hubris, entitlement mentality, and because other nations are growing tired of propping it up on a false religious basis, not because of any call made by any group. The winds are shifting in the ME. Regimes that once asked how high when prompted to jump by the West are no longer able to suppress the sovereignty of its people's will.

If Israel is smart and has the will to survive, it will deal with the reality and drop the pretense that it is entitled to do as it pleases in the region. Nations have fallen over their inability to adapt to the changing circumstances around them. The outcome is for us to see.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Would would represent the Palestinians in such a call? Israel will fall because of its hubris, entitlement mentality, and because other nations are growing tired of propping it up on a false religious basis, not because of any call made by any group. The winds are shifting in the ME. Regimes that once asked how high when prompted to jump by the West are no longer able to suppress the sovereignty of its people's will.

If Israel is smart and has the will to survive, it will deal with the reality and drop the pretense that it is entitled to do as it pleases in the region. Nations have fallen over their inability to adapt to the changing circumstances around them. The outcome is for us to see.

You can't answer the question can you? I'll answer it for you, yes you would support them. This sort of attitude will only lead to death and destruction. Sad!

Israel has a right to exist, sure you can have some understanding/compassion to how things came to be considering WWII.

Edited August 24, 2011 by _Simpson_

[웃 910]

You can't answer the question can you? I'll answer it for you, yes you would support them. This sort of attitude will only lead to death and destruction. Sad!

Israel has a right to exist, sure you can have some understanding/compassion to how things came to be considering WWII.

WWII never happened.