Should childbirth and/or parenting be a right?

[SMOKE 1,426]

Come on boy, you can do better than that.

do better than what? agree that you're a failure...you posted it, i agreed. what exactly is it you think i should have said?

[The_Dude 1,142]

do better than what? agree that you're a failure...you posted it, i agreed. what exactly is it you think i should have said?

So your problem isn't your sad attemtps to troll, it is in fact your reading? Read it again Smoke, the comment was directed towards your sad baiting post.

[SMOKE 1,426]

So your problem isn't your sad attemtps to troll, it is in fact your reading? Read it again Smoke, the comment was directed towards your sad baiting post.

i see the depression is affecting your judgement. i answered a weak personal attack/trolling attempt YOU directed @ marc w/ a fact. that he live in washington. you posted another dumbass pic, shown below.

i agreed your attempt failed & you're a failure. what am i missing here?

Edited August 22, 2011 by SMOKE

[Sofiyya 1,687]

That sounds costly. Who is going to pay for the hormone pills for life? Can you imagine millions of females with no uterus and no hormone pills. Yikes!!

They probably wouldn't be the best nannies, no. Let's do it anyway.

Edited August 22, 2011 by Sofiyya

[The_Dude 1,142]

i see the depression is affecting your judgement. i answered a weak personal attack/trolling attempt directed @ marc w/ a fact. that he live in washington. you posted another dumbass pic, shown below.

i agreed your attempt failed & you're a failure. what am i missing here?

Really Smoke, thats the best you've got for insults? Really quite pathetic, I expected more from you. So in summary, you have lost the capacity to read, and a sense of humor.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Really Smoke, thats the best you've got for insults? Really quite pathetic, I expected more from you. So in summary, you have lost the capacity to read, and a sense of humor.

ok. you've lost me. i haven't tried to insult anyone. i read just fine. i think you're lack of skill & effort to keep this up is funny....rock out dude.

[The_Dude 1,142]

ok. you've lost me. i haven't tried to insult anyone. i read just fine. i think you're lack of skill & effort to keep this up is funny....rock out dude.

Really Smoke? Maybe you should try and read this thread again, it might help you to understand the context and even the comments made since you are clearly having difficulties. Feel free to ask questions if you get stuck.

Edited August 22, 2011 by Master Baiter

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Alright, everyone - You have a choice. Voluntarily stop the baiting, trolling and personal attacks (which add absolutely nothing to the discussion and violate TOS.) or involuntarily stop participating in this thread. Your choice.

Edited August 22, 2011 by Kathryn41

[SMOKE 1,426]

Really Smoke? Maybe you should try and read this thread again, it might help you to understand the context and even the comments made since you are clearly having difficulties. Feel free to ask questions if you get stuck.

ok i'm stuck. help me out here.

you said

You never know what state Marc is going to be in when posting on VJ.

attempting to imply he may be drunk.

i said

he lives in washington...or were you...? no surely not.

you post this pic

i said

yes, you have & are sir.

where am i missing the boat?

i'll tell you what rob. if i was a miserable in my RL as you seem to be in yours...i'd probably just suck start a shotgun.

lemme help you out. give me your zip code & i search gun dealers in your area for you.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The subject of this thread is so inane and improbable that nothing can ADD to the discussion We work with what we're given.

[The_Dude 1,142]

The subject of this thread is so inane and improbable that nothing can ADD to the discussion We work with what we're given.

Then you have some who lack the ability to read the words right in front of them, yet derive some greater meaning that really isn't there. VJ, sheesh.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

One member has been thread-banned for making a personal attack after the posted warning.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

And the count is now down two . . .

[Sofiyya 1,687]

[Ready to do it 101]

I'd support that.

I like the general idea of the OP but I have to disagree on some points. Reproduction is a basic right. We cannot regulate basic rights like reproduction.

However, we can regulate what happens to folks who take the free money. You want the free money? Take the shot in the arm. No further kids while you're on the dole. No extra money for extra kids. One flat rate for anyone on welfare. Same thing with all other welfare. You want the money? Fine. But, you can't have any more kids. Don't like that? Fine. Don't take the free money.

I'm all for licensing and permits per kid, etc. But, we simply cannot do that. What we can do though is deny extra money.

This works too, IMO

Reproducing should be a basic human right (My opinion, not necessarily based on precedent or UN edict). The problem is not that people reproduce but rather that government taxes society to pay for it. Get rid of the entitlements and this discussion will be a mute point. There will be no need for politburo approval of reproduction.

As far as tax deductions for kids, we should just move to a usage based tax system (ie. sales tax, VAT tax, whatever you want to call it) instead of income tax. If people use more because they have more children they will pay more taxes. If they manage things responsibly, they will pay comparably.

agreed!

If the law has income requirements to collect welfare,then why isn't there income requirements for having a kid?