sex before marrying ?

[garya505 2]

1. I don't think any position is superior. I just resent you claiming your position is.

personally, i think doggie style is superior to any other position

You could have a point there, but that would be a subject for a whole new thread!

[mrc 0]

1. I don't think any position is superior. I just resent you claiming your position is.

personally, i think doggie style is superior to any other position

You could have a point there, but that would be a subject for a whole new thread!

You better make a new thread about it before Jane2005 beats you to the punch.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The above I actually find enlightening and intellegent minus your denial of the generalization.

Thank you!

Compared to the the following.

I believe in waiting until after marriage, that was I have done myselfand that is what I advocate. It is also part of Islamic teachings. Not everyone is from the US consumer society where most things are readily available to satisfy our need for instant gratification, only to be discarded for the next cool thing. The divorce rate in the US is 50%, appalling because, despite lips service to the contrary, there is little value to love, sex or marriage. This is also reflected in the common venacular and casual attitude toward pre-marital sex.

Call it subjective if you like but I think most would agree the bold is a generalization. Say it isnt if it makes you feel better. If you can not see how this post is different from the first one quoted I am amazed.

Had you posted something more along the lines of the first quoted post in the beginning I would not have taken such issue with it but you didn't you posted the second. Again if you cant see the difference, wow.

I don't see what's in bold as a generalization, but as a rote analysis. Is it not true that things are readily available? That we not have a need to be instantly gratified, but are encouraged to do so? Do we not discard the "out" thing for the lastest new thing? That is part and parcel of the mainstream culture that is incorporated by most, even at the expense of one's own self-preservation. No, I see no difference because they are the same thought.

szsz,

I've answered your question. Just not in the direct way that you might want it to be answered. But I am very much on point, which is a point you raised - the original topic was 'sex before marrying', not acting on impulse as opposed to restraint by religion.

Yodrak

The act of having sex prior to or after marriage is a value judgment, and the values that you apply to how you act is relevent. As I said before, the choice has a source; if not religion, then something secular. In the US, hedonism is a prominent motivator, the need to indulge your desires. The OP asked if he should or should not indulge his desires. Those who responded made an appeal to philosophy or to hedonism. That's why the war references were off point. We have our hands full remaining on the topic of sex alone.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

szsz, you have a way with words. Often you write almost the same thing I'm thinking but can't seem to write as clearly. B)

Thank you!

You better make a new thread about it before Jane2005 beats you to the punch.

There is an insult in there somewhere.

[peezey 0]

No, I didn't say it was safe, only that it is done illegally (and unsafely) in the Philippines. And Cytotec is a very dangerous drug when used to induce abortions, but people still use it there.

It's used all over the world and FDA approved.

It's a drug used for treating stomach ulcers. It's used in poor countries to induce abortions. It can cause a ruptured uterus and severe birth defects in the baby if unsuccessful at inducing the abortion. It is NOT approved by the FDA for this purpose, or as far as I know approved in any other country for that purpose.

RU486, also known as medical abortion, is Misoprostol (cytotec) and Mifepiestone, two drugs used in combination as an abortifacient. Approved by the FDA for said use.

[garya505 2]

No, I didn't say it was safe, only that it is done illegally (and unsafely) in the Philippines. And Cytotec is a very dangerous drug when used to induce abortions, but people still use it there.

It's used all over the world and FDA approved.

It's a drug used for treating stomach ulcers. It's used in poor countries to induce abortions. It can cause a ruptured uterus and severe birth defects in the baby if unsuccessful at inducing the abortion. It is NOT approved by the FDA for this purpose, or as far as I know approved in any other country for that purpose.

RU486, also known as medical abortion, is Misoprostol (cytotec) and Mifepiestone, two drugs used in combination as an abortifacient. Approved by the FDA for said use.

Actually RU486 is just Mifepiestone, but used in conjunction with Cytotec because Mifepiestone doesn't always kill and expell the baby. Cytotec is used to induce uterine contractions and expell the dead or dying baby. Cytotec is not approved by the FDA to be used alone to induce abortion, but of course that doesn't prevent "off label" use for that purpose.

[Alex+R 0]

Actually RU486 is just Mifepiestone, but used in conjunction with Cytotec because Mifepiestone doesn't always kill and expell the baby. Cytotec is used to induce uterine contractions and expell the dead or dying baby. Cytotec is not approved by the FDA to be used alone to induce abortion, but of course that doesn't prevent "off label" use for that purpose.

Hehehe, you don't know anything about how it works, do you? That does have a nice bible-thumpin' anti-women's rights ring to it though, the "kill the baby" part. WTG.

[mrc 0]

Actually RU486 is just Mifepiestone, but used in conjunction with Cytotec because Mifepiestone doesn't always kill and expell the baby. Cytotec is used to induce uterine contractions and expell the dead or dying baby. Cytotec is not approved by the FDA to be used alone to induce abortion, but of course that doesn't prevent "off label" use for that purpose.

Hehehe, you don't know anything about how it works, do you? That does have a nice bible-thumpin' anti-women's rights ring to it though, the "kill the baby" part. WTG.

Oh man..."Kill the baby"

Sounds like a killer theme for a Misfits song.

[Alex+R 0]

Actually RU486 is just Mifepiestone, but used in conjunction with Cytotec because Mifepiestone doesn't always kill and expell the baby. Cytotec is used to induce uterine contractions and expell the dead or dying baby. Cytotec is not approved by the FDA to be used alone to induce abortion, but of course that doesn't prevent "off label" use for that purpose.

Hehehe, you don't know anything about how it works, do you? That does have a nice bible-thumpin' anti-women's rights ring to it though, the "kill the baby" part. WTG.

Oh man..."Kill the baby"

Sounds like a killer theme for a Misfits song.

Like, "I've got something to say/I killed your baby today." Oh wait, they already wrote that one....snicker

[one...two...tree 2,762]

It is easy to make an argument if you compare waiting for marriage to people who are randomly sleeping around... but to argue that someone in a committed relationship is merely acting on impulse and that without religion we would be nothing more than a manifestation of our basest instincts is going overboard. But I doubt that anyone is going to change their mind based on this discussion anyway

Well said.

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die, evildoers!

[peezey 0]

No, I didn't say it was safe, only that it is done illegally (and unsafely) in the Philippines. And Cytotec is a very dangerous drug when used to induce abortions, but people still use it there.

It's used all over the world and FDA approved.

It's a drug used for treating stomach ulcers. It's used in poor countries to induce abortions. It can cause a ruptured uterus and severe birth defects in the baby if unsuccessful at inducing the abortion. It is NOT approved by the FDA for this purpose, or as far as I know approved in any other country for that purpose.

RU486, also known as medical abortion, is Misoprostol (cytotec) and Mifepiestone, two drugs used in combination as an abortifacient. Approved by the FDA for said use.

Actually RU486 is just Mifepiestone, but used in conjunction with Cytotec because Mifepiestone doesn't always kill and expell the baby. Cytotec is used to induce uterine contractions and expell the dead or dying baby. Cytotec is not approved by the FDA to be used alone to induce abortion, but of course that doesn't prevent "off label" use for that purpose.

If you're going to quote something you don't know about, at least quote the facts.

Mifiprestone counteracts the production of progesterone. This is never used alone in a medical abortion.

Misoprostol induces uterine contractions the day after ingestion of Mifiprestone.

Not sure if you had biology but embryo does not = baby.

Off label prescription of medication is not illegal.

The labeling of Mifiprestone doesn't say "steroidal used to kill babies".

[Ban Hammer 13,336]

Not sure if you had biology but embryo does not = baby.

jury is still out on that one - check with your local catholic priest

[garya505 2]

Actually RU486 is just Mifepiestone, but used in conjunction with Cytotec because Mifepiestone doesn't always kill and expell the baby. Cytotec is used to induce uterine contractions and expell the dead or dying baby. Cytotec is not approved by the FDA to be used alone to induce abortion, but of course that doesn't prevent "off label" use for that purpose.

Hehehe, you don't know anything about how it works, do you? That does have a nice bible-thumpin' anti-women's rights ring to it though, the "kill the baby" part. WTG.

Well that's what it does, call it a fetus or call it a baby, either way that's how it works.

[garya505 2]

No, I didn't say it was safe, only that it is done illegally (and unsafely) in the Philippines. And Cytotec is a very dangerous drug when used to induce abortions, but people still use it there.

It's used all over the world and FDA approved.

It's a drug used for treating stomach ulcers. It's used in poor countries to induce abortions. It can cause a ruptured uterus and severe birth defects in the baby if unsuccessful at inducing the abortion. It is NOT approved by the FDA for this purpose, or as far as I know approved in any other country for that purpose.

RU486, also known as medical abortion, is Misoprostol (cytotec) and Mifepiestone, two drugs used in combination as an abortifacient. Approved by the FDA for said use.

Actually RU486 is just Mifepiestone, but used in conjunction with Cytotec because Mifepiestone doesn't always kill and expell the baby. Cytotec is used to induce uterine contractions and expell the dead or dying baby. Cytotec is not approved by the FDA to be used alone to induce abortion, but of course that doesn't prevent "off label" use for that purpose.

If you're going to quote something you don't know about, at least quote the facts.

Mifiprestone counteracts the production of progesterone. This is never used alone in a medical abortion.

Misoprostol induces uterine contractions the day after ingestion of Mifiprestone.

Not sure if you had biology but embryo does not = baby.

Off label prescription of medication is not illegal.

The labeling of Mifiprestone doesn't say "steroidal used to kill babies".

You can say it nicer but that's what happens. Call it an embryo, a fetus, or a baby, whatever you prefer. The Mifiprestone terminates it and the Misoprostol finishes the job with uterine contractions. In poor countries Misoprostol (Cytotec) is used alone (often obtained illegally on the black market) to induce an abortion. I know someone who has done that. Unfortunately when Misoprostol is used alone it's not as effective as the RU486/Cytotec combo and sometimes (10% to 20% of cases, depending on the source you believe) the pregnancy is not terminated. Cytotec can cause severe birth defects and rupture of the uterus.