Deporting the bad and letting the good stay

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

We need to make it a felony to be here illegally, then act like it's a felony.

And then have lots of illegals in our prisons?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

And then have lots of illegals in our prisons?

???

Deport them or take them for a flight over the Pacific.

[decocker 7,198]

???

Deport them or take them for a flight over the Pacific.

WOW.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

???

Deport them or take them for a flight over the Pacific.

If they are found guilty of a crime they serve time. It might be possible to get them to serve in their own country's prison but how likely is that?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

But why does migrant labor need to negotiate for better pay? Absent the flood of unskilled migrant labor, unskilled domestic labor would equally be in a better position to negotiate better pay. The hotel room needs to be cleaned. If all that's available to do the job is labor that costs x, then the employer will need to pay x since there is no labor at x-y available. Same for construction, farms, restaurants and other sectors where an abundance of labor has eroded wages. Increasing that abundance is not going to raise pay above minimum wage requirements even if you had migrants that was here legally. There would still be more supply than demand for such labor and hence, the price of that labor would trend downwards.

Because it's not demand of unskilled labor or lack thereof that is driving wages, but lack of negotiating power by the labor force. There isno substantiated evidence that shows that the undocumented labor force lowered demand for service industry jobs, but rather many Americans had the opportunities for economic mobility were able to get the kind of education and training to move up the economic ladder. The problems with depressed wages and lower buying power of Americans is primarily a problem with the labor market in general and has little to do with the number of undocumented workers here.

Edited August 19, 2011 by DFH

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Excuse me?

I went through the same process as you, excluding the mandatory AP.

Watch yourself.

Watch myself? Or what? You're the one here espousing amnesty and mercy for law breakers.

If they had to do it the way those of us who did not have a fiance or spouse just over the border did, who spent thousands on overseas visits and visas, then we would have more agreement, less division. Try bringing someone over from a non-North American country, then, we can talk.

sofiyya, be a dear and stop posting before i run outta plus 1's

And then have lots of illegals in our prisons?

Have lots of illegals on planes pointing home.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Watch myself? Or what? You're the one here espousing amnesty and mercy for law breakers.

If they had to do it the way those of us who did not have a fiance or spouse just over the border did, who spent thousands on overseas visits and visas, then we would have more agreement, less division. Try bringing someone over from a non-North American country, then, we can talk.

Have lots of illegals on planes pointing home.

Ok thats fine, but then don't bother making entering the country illegally a felony charge which costs the government more money to try.

[decocker 7,198]

Watch myself? Or what? You're the one here espousing amnesty and mercy for law breakers.

If they had to do it the way those of us who did not have a fiance or spouse just over the border did, who spent thousands on overseas visits and visas, then we would have more agreement, less division. Try bringing someone over from a non-North American country, then, we can talk.

Or come off patronizing. good work.

you do not deserve a visa any more or any less than those of us who happen to have petitioned someone in north america. i too, spent thousands traveling. also, on the K1, AOS, and ROC, etc..

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Ok thats fine, but then don't bother making entering the country illegally a felony charge which costs the government more money to try.

It cost less money to prosecute them than it does to feed, clothe, housing, educate and allow them to take American jobs using false and stolen SSNs.

[slim 1,530]

How about a free bus ride back to the other side of the fence (and no, we're not sending everyone home... we're dropping them off in TJ. EVERYONE!) with a permanent bar from reentry?

All this ####### about "we need them" is BS. We don't need them. Would our local job market change? Absolutely. Unemployment would drop to record lows!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Or come off patronizing. good work.

you do not deserve a visa any more or any less than those of us who happen to have petitioned someone in north america. i too, spent thousands traveling. also, on the K1, AOS, and ROC, etc..

Ya, but unlike you, I learned something from legal immigration. I learned that I don't like being treated like a chump while others waltz over the borders and are greeted like conquering heroes by people like you.

[slim 1,530]

Ya, but unlike you, I learned something from legal immigration. I learned that I don't like being treated like a chump while others waltz over the borders and are greeted like conquering heroes by people like you.

Oh snap!

[decocker 7,198]

Ya, but unlike you, I learned something from legal immigration. I learned that I don't like being treated like a chump while others waltz over the borders and are greeted like conquering heroes by people like you.

i see. well, good luck with that chip on your shoulder.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

i see. well, good luck with that chip on your shoulder.

just remember that the next time an illegal alien

-rapes a woman

-rapes a child

-murders someone

-has a hit and run accident

-runs into a school bus full of children

etc...

and NO it's not the same as an American doing it. Because one of the situations was VERY preventable from happening.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

i see. well, good luck with that chip on your shoulder.

I my have a chip on my shoulder, but you need to grow a spine in your back and stand up for your fellow citizens and laws that protect us, not a brazen law breaking class of illegals.

And, yes, people can be illegal.