Deporting the bad and letting the good stay

[TBoneTX 45,972]

Criminal-alient?

Alternatively, a convenient combination of "alien" and "element," see man. Kind of like "symblem" for "symbol" and "emblem," and that term that Sarah Palin came up with, and (my favorite) "convegistration" for "convention registration," si man.

[Zero Sum 305]

The job of ICE is to enforce immigration and customs laws.

While the President (with senate confirmation) may pick directors of ICE/DHS, they are there to uphold the laws enacted by congress and enforce them.

It is not their job to pick and choose 'who' to enforce the law upon. It's their job to uphold the law. The President, nor DHS can change policy at will on who is and who is not to be processed in accordance with the law. The only way that the President can stop someone from being deported in accordance with the law is a Presidential pardon. However a President doing this on a mass scale would receive severe backlash.

I knew it would be hard for you to not inject your opinion on this into a simple question. They are part of the executive branch.

They pick and choose as a function of the law itself and how its implemented by executive order. Maybe that is why the earlier statements here have reflected an opinion of where the legislative process should move such enforcement?

Can you substantiate that claim? Ask farmers if they are turning away applicants for migrant jobs. We have high unemployment right now in this country from a combination of a stagnant economy and from the shrinking of government jobs. Most of those jobs were skilled labor. A Free Market Capitalist would look at labor as part of the whole economic machine and putting much of any restrictions on sources of labor goes against the principles of a Free Market. But if you're not going to really adhere to a truly Free Market, you'd be better off focusing regulating how labor is used rather than its source.

Excellent points.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Well, this isn't legalizing the good illegals but it is definitely a step in the right direction with what needs to happen.

Great move... start deporting the criminals and work on figuring out how to let the good illegals stay. I can't believe it took so long to get the ball rolling and honestly, I didn't forsee this coming today as it seemed like the immigration issues just kind of got forgotten in the last 6 months.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-makes-criminals-priority-deportation-055021306.html

Are you serious? illegal ...that word should say it all.

Edited August 19, 2011 by Why_Me

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I knew it would be hard for you to not inject your opinion on this into a simple question. They are part of the executive branch.

They pick and choose as a function of the law itself and how its implemented by executive order. Maybe that is why the earlier statements here have reflected an opinion of where the legislative process should move such enforcement?

you can't pick and choose which elements of Federal law to enforce and not enforce in regards to individuals. That's called discrmination. If someone is detained by ice and awaiting deportation, you can't hand-pick who you want to deport and not deport. The law is the law at the end of the day.

[Ban Hammer 13,493]

From an economic standpoint, we need them. They consume and pay taxes. The worse thing would be if they all just left.

[Zero Sum 305]

you can't pick and choose which elements of Federal law to enforce and not enforce in regards to individuals. That's called discrmination. If someone is detained by ice and awaiting deportation, you can't hand-pick who you want to deport and not deport. The law is the law at the end of the day.

You must not have read the post you replied to very well. Try again.

Hint:

There's current law, which you're confusing with proposed future law. Easy now?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

You must not have read the post you replied to very well. Try again.

Hint:

There's current law, which you're confusing with proposed future law. Easy now?

Future law has not been passed yet. You can't enforce current law on the idea of future law. That's absurd and you know it.

You can't bypass a law today on the idea that "oh, well congress will change the law in about 5 years, so we'll let you off today."

Cmon now....

[Zero Sum 305]

Future law has not been passed yet. You can't enforce current law on the idea of future law. That's absurd and you know it.

You can't bypass a law today on the idea that "oh, well congress will change the law in about 5 years, so we'll let you off today."

Cmon now....

I guess you will continue not reading what the posters here have said.

Nobody here is advocating for not enforcing current law. Try again.

So yeah, come on now.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

We need immigration reform that makes it easier for unskilled labor to be imported here, just like the way we allow for companies to outsource jobs overseas. Our current system is always chasing the bottom line and cheap labor is a critical element.

What? More unskilled labor? Have you checked the unemployment stats, buddy? That is the segment that is hardest hit by unemployment. The unskilled. There are plenty of them out there looking for work. What we have trouble filling are jobs that require specialized skills and knowledge. That is what we need to focus on - to get people ready for the jobs that are available and turning towards an immigration policy that encourgages immigration based on skills needed in the economy. You want to import those that will contribute to the wealth of the nation, not those that will dillute it.

[Ready to do it 101]

Perhaps the wording is bad and we should call them something else... folks bypassing border inspection. I mean look at history. Since I have been alive... about 40 years, we've never tried to actually stop people from crossing the border without inspection. In fact, there have been many articles written about how we almost encourage it. Sure, we're in a recession so everyone has their panties in a bunch looking for scapegoats in why we are in this mess, but at the end of the day we've allowed it. Not only have we allowed it, by offering free health care etc, we've encouraged it. I don't call someone looking for a better future an illegal. In fact, that's what I'll start calling them "folks bypassing border inspection." And there are a heck of a lot more "folks bypassing border inspection" that I would prefer to live next door to and call my neighbor than some of the thug criminals we have in the US.

Illegals? No, just simply folks bypassing border inspection. Many of them are good folks.

Are you serious? illegal ...that word should say it all.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Perhaps the wording is bad and we should call them something else... folks bypassing border inspection. I mean look at history. Since I have been alive... about 40 years, we've never tried to actually stop people from crossing the border without inspection. In fact, there have been many articles written about how we almost encourage it. Sure, we're in a recession so everyone has their panties in a bunch looking for scapegoats in why we are in this mess, but at the end of the day we've allowed it. Not only have we allowed it, by offering free health care etc, we've encouraged it. I don't call someone looking for a better future an illegal. In fact, that's what I'll start calling them "folks bypassing border inspection." And there are a heck of a lot more "folks bypassing border inspection" that I would prefer to live next door to and call my neighbor than some of the thug criminals we have in the US.

Illegals? No, just simply folks bypassing border inspection. Many of them are good folks.

ah screw it. let's call rapists people choosing to bypass asking permission for sex. They're generally good people overall. Just sometimes think that asking permission is too much.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Perhaps the wording is bad and we should call them something else... folks bypassing border inspection. I mean look at history. Since I have been alive... about 40 years, we've never tried to actually stop people from crossing the border without inspection. In fact, there have been many articles written about how we almost encourage it. Sure, we're in a recession so everyone has their panties in a bunch looking for scapegoats in why we are in this mess, but at the end of the day we've allowed it. Not only have we allowed it, by offering free health care etc, we've encouraged it. I don't call someone looking for a better future an illegal. In fact, that's what I'll start calling them "folks bypassing border inspection." And there are a heck of a lot more "folks bypassing border inspection" that I would prefer to live next door to and call my neighbor than some of the thug criminals we have in the US.

Illegals? No, just simply folks bypassing border inspection. Many of them are good folks.

ummm ya ok.

[Zero Sum 305]

What? More unskilled labor? Have you checked the unemployment stats, buddy? That is the segment that is hardest hit by unemployment. The unskilled. There are plenty of them out there looking for work. What we have trouble filling are jobs that require specialized skills and knowledge. That is what we need to focus on - to get people ready for the jobs that are available and turning towards an immigration policy that encourgages immigration based on skills needed in the economy. You want to import those that will contribute to the wealth of the nation, not those that will dillute it.

I'd not mind citizens/residents getting re-trained to work in employment sectors at the low skill level, such as in agriculture... and from what little I know of those areas the on the job training is sufficient. But even given this, and what I surmise is some available jobs in the area (Texas, for example... speaking from personal knowledge of chicken farmers), citizens/residents are not flocking to those open positions. Perhaps its a marketing problem, but given the current appetite for jobs among the unemployed, I am surprised many have not settled in these positions. Again, these are limited in number from what I've seen personally- but they're there for the taking. And this in light of the recent ICE raids targeting the sector.

ah screw it. let's call rapists people choosing to bypass asking permission for sex. They're generally good people overall. Just sometimes think that asking permission is too much.

Yawn.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

What? More unskilled labor? Have you checked the unemployment stats, buddy? That is the segment that is hardest hit by unemployment. The unskilled. There are plenty of them out there looking for work. What we have trouble filling are jobs that require specialized skills and knowledge. That is what we need to focus on - to get people ready for the jobs that are available and turning towards an immigration policy that encourgages immigration based on skills needed in the economy. You want to import those that will contribute to the wealth of the nation, not those that will dillute it.

The largest job growth over the last decade has been service industry jobs. That's where our job market has shifted to. Sure, it's unsustainable, but tell that to the Free Market Capitalists who have no qualms about outsourcing jobs overseas. So the pragmatic solution is to not restrict the flow of labor from either direction, or set up parameters in both directions that encourage a healthy job market that is sustainable. We're in a race to the bottom. There's no need to scapegoat the unskilled labor based on where it's coming from when the larger problem isn't even seriously being looked at.

[Zero Sum 305]

The largest job growth over the last decade has been service industry jobs. That's where our job market has shifted to. Sure, it's unsustainable, but tell that to the Free Market Capitalists who have no qualms about outsourcing jobs overseas. So the pragmatic solution is to not restrict the flow of labor from either direction, or set up parameters in both directions that encourage a healthy job market that is sustainable. We're in a race to the bottom. There's no need to scapegoat the unskilled labor based on where it's coming from when the larger problem isn't even seriously being looked at.

Control the flow of labor, you must mean. There is no point to talking about sustainability if you overflow the labor force with too many hands. Of course if we put it in perspective, not all illegals will fall into this category, so the numbers of illegals vs citizens/residents is likely to be decreased anyway.