Deporting the bad and letting the good stay

[Zero Sum 305]

Those are the bad illegals. We don't like them.

The good illegals are the ones who just steal our identities, lie about their citizenship, demand that we give them the same rights as Americans, and tell us that taxes paid in their meager jobs that they took from our teens and ran the wages down will save our economy from ruin.

Something was posted about making a dichotomy in this thread between good and bad. You may have missed it. ID theft IMO would not be good. Of course, the argument I'm favoring is pro-DREAM kids, not necessarily all 'relatively' law-abiding illegals... as much of a contradiction that seems to be.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Remember that next time an Israeli says the same thing of Palestinians crossing from Gaza or the West Bank.

I have deeds to properties in Jerusalem and other parts of Israel that were stolen from my grandparents. If an illegal has deeds to property here that was stolen from them, then it is the thief who needs to be shot.

[Zero Sum 305]

I think that's a key that many ignore actually. Is how many of those in here illegally actually steal identities. It's quite a lot, if not the majority of them. You can actually go down to Mexican flea markets in many areas and literally buy a new identity. It's really scary actually. What's even worse is how little is done to stop it.

One of my co-workers mother actually is SHARING her Social Security benefits with some lady out in California.... The SSA can't tell who is who because they both have the same identifying information. So the Social Security payout is split down the middle. NO JOKE.

Paul needs to substantiate his claim. NO JOKE.

ID theft, not willful sharing, and not reviving the dead- either.

I still think we should do one for one swaps of working illegals with welfare collecting americans. "One of you has to get on the bus... I don't care which."

They'd be back. Better get rid of the macho men, so they can straighten things up south of the border, Rambo-style.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Something was posted about making a dichotomy in this thread between good and bad. You may have missed it. ID theft IMO would not be good. Of course, the argument I'm favoring is pro-DREAM kids, not necessarily all 'relatively' law-abiding illegals... as much of a contradiction that seems to be.

An illegal cannot work here without breaking the law, so, none of them are "good" illegals. But, that's been my argument all along.

I don't support the Dream Act either. It's another incentive to come here illegally and to take limited scholarships, student allotments and subsequent jobs from people who are here legally.

Edited August 19, 2011 by Sofiyya

[Zero Sum 305]

Each illegal lover should put their money where their mouth is by volunteering their ID and SSN for some poor American dream wanting illegal to use to help them establish how good a law breaker they are so they can stay and take advantage of us semi-legally.

Pretty irrelevant. But interesting language there. Very in tune with commie-lover, N(word)-lover, K(South African black)-lover, Jew-lover, etc, derogatory term used to display one's disdain for others.

Don't they already do that? (Well, sometimes, anyway.)

They do, don't they.

I have deeds to properties in Jerusalem and other parts of Israel that were stolen from my grandparents. If an illegal has deeds to property here that was stolen from them, then it is the thief who needs to be shot.

Not really relevant either. But interesting choice of words for the retribution.

But you should do something about that. You have your deeds. That is legal.

[Zero Sum 305]

An illegal cannot work here without breaking the law, so, none of them are "good" illegals. But, that's been my argument all along.

I don't support the Dream Act either. It's another incentive to come here illegally and to take limited scholarships, student allotments and subsequent jobs from people who are here legally.

My only support is for the children that came here unwittingly and developed pretty much American. If DREAM, as it stood, represents the taking of limited scholarships from an already-strained recipient pool, I'd be game to having you list these scholarships prone to DREAMing as it stood.

A better DREAM would mandate service to the nation, and non-competitive grants, which are not (by definition) taken from anyone other than the tax payer (I know some people will get constipated at that) with the knowledge that the educated alien will produce payback to the US Treasury in the future- much like what Pell Grants already do in supposition for citizens/residents.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

None of those situations are preventable depending on person of origin. Unless of course you mean 'they ain't supposed to be here' angle which by logic, would be a duh. As would the logic behind having a properly educated man not raping a woman, a child, hitting and running, or slamming into a school bus full of children. I wonder how many of those kids would be allergic to nuts.

etc...

Do you REALLY think that education has anything to do with it?

There's a mentality behind it, and it has nothing to do with how educated you are.

Being educated just gives you more resources at your disposal on how not to get caught.

Yeah that's not psychotic.

Remember that next time an Israeli says the same thing of Palestinians crossing from Gaza or the West Bank.

so protecting your home is psychotic?

[Zero Sum 305]

Do you REALLY think that education has anything to do with it?

There's a mentality behind it, and it has nothing to do with how educated you are.

Being educated just gives you more resources at your disposal on how not to get caught.

so protecting your home is psychotic?

One of the things, yes. Education is far more than going to school for something, but being properly raised to not turn out a certain way. Kind of like having the education to not have silly hissy fits on the internet.

Now if you want to talk about being mentally ill, impulsive, and otherwise naturally programmed for such destructive acts, sometimes, yes that is absolutely correct.

Killing people automatically as they cross a border is absolutely psychotic. I bet you view these aliens as an invading horde too? Does your face twitch at all when you think these things?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

so protecting your home is psychotic?

I think he means that Palestinians have the right to shoot Israeli settlers in the disputed territories.

[Zero Sum 305]

I think he means that Palestinians have the right to shoot Israeli settlers in the disputed territories.

An interesting turn of events in the thread.

Will we turn this thread into an Arab-Israeli debate?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

My only support is for the children that came here unwittingly and developed pretty much American. If DREAM, as it stood, represents the taking of limited scholarships from an already-strained recipient pool, I'd be game to having you list these scholarships prone to DREAMing as it stood.

Children of illegals my have been raised to think of themselves as Americans 20-30 years ago, but not today. Today, there is a siege mentality that requires illegals to identify with their home country more than their host country. I've seen this mentality manifest itself in the "press 1 for English" and the resistance to lerning English among many illegals and even some legals.

One of my best friends and her husband came here illegally from Mexico as a children and were regularized in the amnesty of 1986. You would never be able to tell them from born Americans, although they are bilingual. Even she acknowledges that there is an undesirable sense of entitlement among illegals today that keeps her from supporting amnesty for them. In fact, most of the Hispanics/Latinos I know are not pro-illegal. That appears to be a White Guilt trait.

An interesting turn of events in the thread.

Will we turn this thread into an Arab-Israeli debate?

Hey, YOU opened that door

[Zero Sum 305]

Children of illegals my have been raised to think of themselves as Americans 20-30 years ago, but not today. Today, there is a siege mentality that requires illegals to identify with their home country more than their host country. I've seen this mentality manifest itself in the "press 1 for English" and the resistance to lerning English among many illegals and even some legals.

One of my best friends and her husband came here illegally from Mexico as a children and were regularized in the amnesty of 1986. You would never be able to tell them from born Americans, although they are bilingual. Even she acknowledges that there is an undesirable sense of entitlement among illegals today that keeps her from supporting amnesty for them. In fact, most of the Hispanics/Latinos I know are not pro-illegal. That appears to be a White Guilt trait.

Hey, YOU opened that door

There's that pesky little thing called generalization again.

And yes... I did bring up that... other issue didn't I?

I await a few more angry responses from the usual special participants. Lets see if that's a self-fulfilling prophesy. 4PM Friday means one and only one thing.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

One of the things, yes. Education is far more than going to school for something, but being properly raised to not turn out a certain way. Kind of like having the education to not have silly hissy fits on the internet.

Now if you want to talk about being mentally ill, impulsive, and otherwise naturally programmed for such destructive acts, sometimes, yes that is absolutely correct.

Killing people automatically as they cross a border is absolutely psychotic. I bet you view these aliens as an invading horde too? Does your face twitch at all when you think these things?

So in your opinion, free will is something that needs to be take away from society and people need to be conformed to a certain way of living. What you're talking about is not education at all. What you're talking about is creating a perfect society, a perfect race. If memory serves me correctly, we've fought against those who do this.

Education doesn't stop you from becoming a criminal. Education decides (in many cases) what type of criminal you become. Just look at Wall Street, bankers, politicians, lawyers, etc. You don't need to be 'poor' to be a criminal. It just decides whether you're robbing a 7-Eleven or a Trust fund.

On the 'aliens' part. The United States of America is a sovereign nation that has rules and borders. If you are attempting to sneak into a sovereign nation and you are carrying items with you, that could potentially be dangerous to our nation and its citizens, then you should absolutely be shot on-sight. If a burgler breaks into your home, do you give him a chance to show you what's in his bag first before you shoot him?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

There's that pesky little thing called generalization again.

Is generalizing about good and bad law breakers an exception?

[slim 1,530]

So in your opinion, free will is something that needs to be take away from society and people need to be conformed to a certain way of living.

Baaaaah.... baaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh

Is generalizing about good and bad law breakers an exception?

It's acceptable here on the forums. I have a criminal record and I'm lopped into the same group as murderers, rapists and robbers.