vaccination waived

[cherrylovekalbs 4]

CHRISTIANITY

The bible teaches that there are unclean animals and that we are not to put the unclean into our bodies (Deuteronomy 14). – Vaccines are made from blood products and tissue of animals. (Read, ‘The Sanctity of Human Blood: Vaccination $s not Immunization’ by Tim O’Shea for more on this).

Ye shall not eat of anything that dieth of itself; (Deuteronomy 14:21) and hut flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. (Genesis 9:4) – i.e. you should not be putting anything from an animal or its blood into your body.

What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own. For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. (I Corinthians 6:19,20) – i.e. your body is a temple which houses the Holy Spirit and so you have to look after it and not pollute it.

'"We must obey God rather than men." (Acts 5:29) – i.e. Vaccination is an artificial invention made by man to alter immune function. The immune system, on the other hand, is a natural function given by God to protect us from disease. Trusting in manmade vaccination is like saying that we think God didn’t make us correctly and that we need artificially ‘boosting’ in order to survive.

In the Book of Wisdom of Sirach (a section of the bible cut out by King James), Chapter 38,: verse 4 " The Lord has created medicines out of the earth and a sensible man will not refuse them." - God did not give us drugs, but He did give us plants and herbs and tells us to use them if we are 'sensible.' To be 'sensible' means to use your own mind and not follow man just because you are told to. This section of the bible was probably cut out because of its reference to natural medicines.

MORMONISM

Mormons also refer to the bible in conjunction with the book of Mormon, so the above passages should apply to them also. As well as this, their organisation has made it clear they are against termination of pregnancy, and it is known that MMR, MR, Rubella, Varicella (Chickenpox) and other vaccines contain human diploid cells cultured from aborted foetuses.

The First Presidency, which is the governing body and highest ranking quorum in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, has said, "Abortion must be considered one of the most revolting and sinful practices in this day." (First Presidency (Spencer W. Kimball, N. Eldon Tanner, Marion G. Romney), Priesthood Bulletin, Salt Lake City, Utah: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Feb. 1973, p. 1-2.

Clearly, if a Mormon then vaccinates their child with a vaccine containing aborted foetus, this constitutes a contradiction of faith. Their own founder, Joseph Smith, also stated: " Trust in God when sick, and live by faith and not by medicine or poison." (11th edition of the encyclopedia of Brittanica).

ROMAN CATHOLOCISM

Catholics also have the same stance on termination and vaccination:

They called the use of human foetal tissue in vaccination, ‘a kind of evil which is widespread in biomedical research and which people rightly think they should combat when they can.

‘The practice of medicine is being made parasitic on the evils of abortion and foetal experimentation and refusing vaccination is one way of seeking to turn medicine from a course which will increasingly subvert people’s confidence in it.’ (Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales, 1994).

JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES

Jehovah’s Witnesses have historically been against vaccination because it is contrary to scriptures, and their religion totally banned it up until 1952, although in more recent years they have stated it is up to the individual Jehovah’s Witness to decide: "As vaccination is a direct injection of animal matter in the blood stream, vaccination is a direct violation of the law of Jehovah God." (The Golden Age publication, 1935 April 2 p. 465).

"Oh, yes, serums vaccines, toxins, inoculations, are all -harmless', because the man who is selling them says so. You, my friends, believe this LIE, and continue to submit your body to these violations; then all I can say is, 'God have mercy on your soul'. All vaccination is unphysiological, a crime against nature." (Consolation 1939 May 31 p. 8).

‘Would it be proper to accept a vaccination or some other medical injection containing albumin derived from human blood? Witnesses have long realized that this is a matter for private decision in accord with each one’s Bible-trained conscience. Some Christians who feel that they can in good conscience accept such injections have noted that antibodies from the blood of a pregnant woman cross into the blood of the baby in her womb.” (The Watchtower, October 1, 1994).

The reason for this about turn? In 1952, when Jehovah’s Witnesses lifted the ban on vaccination, they wrote: "The matter of vaccination is one for the individual that has to face it to decide for himself. . . . And our Society cannot afford to be drawn into the affair legally or take the responsibility for the way the case turns out." (my emphasis – The Watchtower, 15 December 1952).

Essentially they still disagreed with vaccination but were too afraid of the medical profession taking legal action against them.

. BUDDHISM

Buddhists are vegetarians according to their religious believe and there is NO vaccine which is vegetarian. All vaccinations have to be cultured on animal and human tissue and blood products.

‘Scientists depend upon animal tissue to produce the viral strains found in vaccines. The Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR) vaccine, for instance, contains live strains of each of these three viruses.’ (vegfamily.com).

You can easily find this information by going into your pharmacy and asking for a vaccine data sheet. Buddhists and others from vegetarian philosophies would be in conflict with vaccination.

JEWS

Jews also have strict dietary requirements as part of their religion and have to eat or take into the body, animal parts which are KOSHER.

Rabbi Simon Dahan recently highlighted this controversy with the latest bird flu scare, when it emerged that the bird flu vaccinations given to livestock may not be kosher, therefore rendering poultry products unsuitable for Jewish people:

“If they conduct the vaccination on the lungs or the neck, the animal might not be kosher anymore,” Dahan said.

“According to Talmudic laws if the oesophagus or the trachea is mutilated, the animal is not considered kosher anymore,” he added, considering that if the vaccination would be considered as some kind of mutilation by Jewish law. Furthermore, vaccinating the poultry in the leg might also be a problem because the operation might alter some the animal fragile nerves, which are supposed to stay untouched by the same Talmudic laws,” (European Jewish Press, February 2006).

Vaccines for people may also be made with animals that aren’t kosher, making them against Jewish law.

ISLAM

Allah says, “We have indeed created man in the best of moulds.” (95:4). The Arabic word in this verse is taqweem, which can be translated as mold, form, nature, constitution. Although this especially refers to the spiritual nature of man, it can also mean the mental and physical structure. There is no faulty in Allah’s creation. Allah gave man the purest and best nature, and perfection and balance are evident in man’s physical, mental, and spiritual composition. Allah, subhanahu wa ta’la, says,

“O mankind! What has made you careless concerning your Lord, the Most Generous? Who created you, fashioned you, and gave you due proportion; in whatever form He willed, He put you together.” (Qur’an 82:6-8).

Focusing on the physical aspect, one need only study the systems of the body to comprehend the significance of these verses and the wonder of Allah’s creation. The human body is composed of a number of specialized systems: the digestive system, the respiratory system, the nervous system, the muscular system, the blood circulation system, the skeleton, the skin, the senses, the immune system and so forth. Each one of these system is miraculous in nature and more amazing than any scientific advancement that man can achieve. (Sayyid Qutb, In the Shade of the Qur’an). Why then is man so heedless? Why does he overlook the wonders of his own constitution? Why does he neglect the One who gave him these special gifts? “O mankind! What has made you careless concerning our Lord, the Most Generous?” Why does he think that he can improve the perfect creation of Allah and make it work more effectively?

Concerning immunizations, this is exactly what humans are attempting to do. The assumption behind them is that the body is not “perfect” enough to withstand infectious diseases; that somehow Allah did not complete his job or carry it out well enough (astaghfir Allah); that the immune system is faulty and needs correction; that a young baby, as little as 1 or 2 months old, is somehow flawed, incomplete, and in need of human intervention to survive. All of these assumptions are erroneous and reflect a skepticism that should not be present in the belief system of a Muslim. This may seem like an intense subject for what would appear to be a straight forward issue, but a deeper level of analysis is required here. One cannot doubt the verses of the Qur’an highlighted above nor expect that he can accomplish more than Allah. As Muslims we should not fall into this kind of trap. We must believe in the perfection of Allah’s creation and understand that immunizations are in no way able to improve upon it. Chances are that they will only disturb the system and introduce an imperfection, (which is already being determined by research).

By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

[rainestor 8]

I am sorry, but we don't need people from third world countries coming and giving our citizens tuberculosis or the measles. Immigration is a privilege, not a right.

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How much debts does america have? trillions i know. That sounds to me like a third world country. How about obesity vaccine.

Obesity is not contagious but third world diseases are which is why USA requires vaccinations. As an American, I dont want anyone here who doesnt get them. Not only are you protecting us from you but you are protecting you from us. There are people here who have such diseases. You should protect yourself as well. There's no such thing as religious or moral conviction when things like vaccinations can save your life and the lives of others. Waiving them due to whatever "convictions" is selfish and idiotic. And until you get approved and step foot to live in the USA, I wouldnt bad mouth the problems we have. It doesnt make you look good at all. We are still a FIRST WORLD COUNTRY and you are asking to live here!!!

[rainestor 8]

Obesity is not contagious but third world diseases are which is why USA requires vaccinations. As an American, I dont want anyone here who doesnt get them. Not only are you protecting us from you but you are protecting you from us. There are people here who have such diseases. You should protect yourself as well. There's no such thing as religious or moral conviction when things like vaccinations can save your life and the lives of others. Waiving them due to whatever "convictions" is selfish and idiotic. And until you get approved and step foot to live in the USA, I wouldnt bad mouth the problems we have. It doesnt make you look good at all. We are still a FIRST WORLD COUNTRY and you are asking to live here!!!

And I didnt appreciate having to get a bunch of shots and take a bunch of pills for 2 weeks just to travel to Asia last year but I had to do it. I would be incredibly stupid to put myself at risk and come home with diseases that cannot be cured and put my family at risk. One bite from an American mosquito will just be annoying but one bite from a Third World mosquito is DEADLY. Not a smart choice to ignore it.

[Robert&Karen 264]

cherrylovekalbs, I got the majority of my childhood shots in Catholic school before I was 11 years old. What is "written" and what one does do not always equate, otherwise all of us marrying here better be never have married before and we have to be virgins.

[sofaraway 2]

i am from the Philippines but i never heard of a religion there that prohibits any vaccination ...but i heard 1 religion from there that Blood Transfusion is not allowed ...anyways...u asked questions here and members of VJ gave u answers which is TRUE..they're trying to help you but if u insist on what u knew is right then do it..no one here is stopping you, that is your decision..but be prepared..and stop saying words that is out of the topic..bad mouthing is not helpful..it only stresses u....anyhow..Good Luck and God Bless on your journey..

[Robert&Karen 264]

Stolen from mothering.com:

Jehovah Witnesses leave it up to the individual to vax or not to vax;

Christian Science explicitly does not vax;

Seventh Day Adventist usually do not vax, and they founded the Health Food Store Movement in the U.S.

Amish like to stay away from all things modern.

Some charismatic Catholics who know from whence vaccinations come do not vax.

Scientologists - it is left up to the individual; I looked into sending my son to Delphi Academy, a small private Scientology school near my home and I also interviewed for a job as a teacher there, and I was informed that vaccination is left up to the individual; I was also told this by a midwife who is a Scientologist, and a pediatrician who is a Scientologist.

Many other sects as Wiccan and others...do not vax.

[cherrylovekalbs 4]

As an American, I dont want anyone here who doesnt get them. Not only are you protecting us from you but you are protecting you from us.

But HIV-positive individuals can legally visit and migrate to the US...

[ana y ray 8]

But HIV-positive individuals can legally visit and migrate to the US...

But you cannot get HIV from someone sneezing or being near you You can get a disease by someone who is not vaccinated

[cherrylovekalbs 4]

These guys had their I-601 approved for refusal to take vaccines: http://www.visajourney.com/timeline/profile.php?id=52138

[Dan & Jenni 457]

The only religious grounds I could establish for non-vaccination is avoiding any pig-related products involved in the vector that delivers the vaccine or being pregnant and deferring the vaccine until after delivery. There is regulation for this, though, and it's not acceptable grounds for a waiver. Leading rabbis and imams have laid down very clear rulings on vaccination. Do some research: a simple Google search brought back the site Vaccine Safety ; which links to a ruling by religious leaders.

Seriously, you need to rethink your stance, OP, because you're heading for a post-marriage deportation when your AoS is denied, if they allow you into the US at all. If you love your fiance, you need to start doing some research and find a way to resolve it, rather than being bullish and determined to get your own way. USCIS doesn't bend the rules for anyone, and you won't be the exception. You're potentially going to tie yourself in immigration knots, and cost your fiance a lot of money to keep filing waivers and new visa applications that are destined to fail. This process isn't cheap, but there's no reason to wilfully boost the costs that he'll face.

Have you and your fiance checked into medical insurance and the exclusions that come in the contract? Are you aware of vaccination requirements for any children you may have before they are allowed to enter the education system? Health care in the US is not free and it's far from cheap. The other factor you should consider is if you should transmit any disease that vaccination should mitigate, you can be sued for it. Americans are not scared to take people to court when they believe they have done something wrong. It's always worth remembering that the American values may differ from your own country's values and if you're proposing living here, you need to conform to what is normal here.

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

[Dan & Jenni 457]

CHRISTIANITY

The bible teaches that there are unclean animals and that we are not to put the unclean into our bodies (Deuteronomy 14). – Vaccines are made from blood products and tissue of animals. (Read, 'The Sanctity of Human Blood: Vaccination $s not Immunization' by Tim O'Shea for more on this).

Ye shall not eat of anything that dieth of itself; (Deuteronomy 14:21) and hut flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. (Genesis 9:4) – i.e. you should not be putting anything from an animal or its blood into your body.

What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own. For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. (I Corinthians 6:19,20) – i.e. your body is a temple which houses the Holy Spirit and so you have to look after it and not pollute it.

'"We must obey God rather than men." (Acts 5:29) – i.e. Vaccination is an artificial invention made by man to alter immune function. The immune system, on the other hand, is a natural function given by God to protect us from disease. Trusting in manmade vaccination is like saying that we think God didn't make us correctly and that we need artificially 'boosting' in order to survive.

In the Book of Wisdom of Sirach (a section of the bible cut out by King James), Chapter 38,: verse 4 " The Lord has created medicines out of the earth and a sensible man will not refuse them." - God did not give us drugs, but He did give us plants and herbs and tells us to use them if we are 'sensible.' To be 'sensible' means to use your own mind and not follow man just because you are told to. This section of the bible was probably cut out because of its reference to natural medicines.

MORMONISM

Mormons also refer to the bible in conjunction with the book of Mormon, so the above passages should apply to them also. As well as this, their organisation has made it clear they are against termination of pregnancy, and it is known that MMR, MR, Rubella, Varicella (Chickenpox) and other vaccines contain human diploid cells cultured from aborted foetuses.

The First Presidency, which is the governing body and highest ranking quorum in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, has said, "Abortion must be considered one of the most revolting and sinful practices in this day." (First Presidency (Spencer W. Kimball, N. Eldon Tanner, Marion G. Romney), Priesthood Bulletin, Salt Lake City, Utah: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Feb. 1973, p. 1-2.

Clearly, if a Mormon then vaccinates their child with a vaccine containing aborted foetus, this constitutes a contradiction of faith. Their own founder, Joseph Smith, also stated: " Trust in God when sick, and live by faith and not by medicine or poison." (11th edition of the encyclopedia of Brittanica).

ROMAN CATHOLOCISM

Catholics also have the same stance on termination and vaccination:

They called the use of human foetal tissue in vaccination, 'a kind of evil which is widespread in biomedical research and which people rightly think they should combat when they can.

'The practice of medicine is being made parasitic on the evils of abortion and foetal experimentation and refusing vaccination is one way of seeking to turn medicine from a course which will increasingly subvert people's confidence in it.' (Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales, 1994).

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

Jehovah's Witnesses have historically been against vaccination because it is contrary to scriptures, and their religion totally banned it up until 1952, although in more recent years they have stated it is up to the individual Jehovah's Witness to decide: "As vaccination is a direct injection of animal matter in the blood stream, vaccination is a direct violation of the law of Jehovah God." (The Golden Age publication, 1935 April 2 p. 465).

"Oh, yes, serums vaccines, toxins, inoculations, are all -harmless', because the man who is selling them says so. You, my friends, believe this LIE, and continue to submit your body to these violations; then all I can say is, 'God have mercy on your soul'. All vaccination is unphysiological, a crime against nature." (Consolation 1939 May 31 p. 8).

'Would it be proper to accept a vaccination or some other medical injection containing albumin derived from human blood? Witnesses have long realized that this is a matter for private decision in accord with each one's Bible-trained conscience. Some Christians who feel that they can in good conscience accept such injections have noted that antibodies from the blood of a pregnant woman cross into the blood of the baby in her womb." (The Watchtower, October 1, 1994).

The reason for this about turn? In 1952, when Jehovah's Witnesses lifted the ban on vaccination, they wrote: "The matter of vaccination is one for the individual that has to face it to decide for himself. . . . And our Society cannot afford to be drawn into the affair legally or take the responsibility for the way the case turns out." (my emphasis – The Watchtower, 15 December 1952).

Essentially they still disagreed with vaccination but were too afraid of the medical profession taking legal action against them.

. BUDDHISM

Buddhists are vegetarians according to their religious believe and there is NO vaccine which is vegetarian. All vaccinations have to be cultured on animal and human tissue and blood products.

'Scientists depend upon animal tissue to produce the viral strains found in vaccines. The Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR) vaccine, for instance, contains live strains of each of these three viruses.' (vegfamily.com).

You can easily find this information by going into your pharmacy and asking for a vaccine data sheet. Buddhists and others from vegetarian philosophies would be in conflict with vaccination.

JEWS

Jews also have strict dietary requirements as part of their religion and have to eat or take into the body, animal parts which are KOSHER.

Rabbi Simon Dahan recently highlighted this controversy with the latest bird flu scare, when it emerged that the bird flu vaccinations given to livestock may not be kosher, therefore rendering poultry products unsuitable for Jewish people:

"If they conduct the vaccination on the lungs or the neck, the animal might not be kosher anymore," Dahan said.

"According to Talmudic laws if the oesophagus or the trachea is mutilated, the animal is not considered kosher anymore," he added, considering that if the vaccination would be considered as some kind of mutilation by Jewish law. Furthermore, vaccinating the poultry in the leg might also be a problem because the operation might alter some the animal fragile nerves, which are supposed to stay untouched by the same Talmudic laws," (European Jewish Press, February 2006).

Vaccines for people may also be made with animals that aren't kosher, making them against Jewish law.

ISLAM

Allah says, "We have indeed created man in the best of moulds." (95:4). The Arabic word in this verse is taqweem, which can be translated as mold, form, nature, constitution. Although this especially refers to the spiritual nature of man, it can also mean the mental and physical structure. There is no faulty in Allah's creation. Allah gave man the purest and best nature, and perfection and balance are evident in man's physical, mental, and spiritual composition. Allah, subhanahu wa ta'la, says,

"O mankind! What has made you careless concerning your Lord, the Most Generous? Who created you, fashioned you, and gave you due proportion; in whatever form He willed, He put you together." (Qur'an 82:6-8).

Focusing on the physical aspect, one need only study the systems of the body to comprehend the significance of these verses and the wonder of Allah's creation. The human body is composed of a number of specialized systems: the digestive system, the respiratory system, the nervous system, the muscular system, the blood circulation system, the skeleton, the skin, the senses, the immune system and so forth. Each one of these system is miraculous in nature and more amazing than any scientific advancement that man can achieve. (Sayyid Qutb, In the Shade of the Qur'an). Why then is man so heedless? Why does he overlook the wonders of his own constitution? Why does he neglect the One who gave him these special gifts? "O mankind! What has made you careless concerning our Lord, the Most Generous?" Why does he think that he can improve the perfect creation of Allah and make it work more effectively?

Concerning immunizations, this is exactly what humans are attempting to do. The assumption behind them is that the body is not "perfect" enough to withstand infectious diseases; that somehow Allah did not complete his job or carry it out well enough (astaghfir Allah); that the immune system is faulty and needs correction; that a young baby, as little as 1 or 2 months old, is somehow flawed, incomplete, and in need of human intervention to survive. All of these assumptions are erroneous and reflect a skepticism that should not be present in the belief system of a Muslim. This may seem like an intense subject for what would appear to be a straight forward issue, but a deeper level of analysis is required here. One cannot doubt the verses of the Qur'an highlighted above nor expect that he can accomplish more than Allah. As Muslims we should not fall into this kind of trap. We must believe in the perfection of Allah's creation and understand that immunizations are in no way able to improve upon it. Chances are that they will only disturb the system and introduce an imperfection, (which is already being determined by research).

By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

it doesnt matter what any religion says.... at the end of the day it will be US immigration that decides whether the person is granted the visa and AOS

[Dan & Jenni 457]

These guys had their I-601 approved for refusal to take vaccines: http://www.visajourn...le.php?id=52138

it also took 12 months (and probably a lot of money) from interview to approval

[Jilli & Ales 9]

Ye shall not eat of anything that dieth of itself; (Deuteronomy 14:21) and hut flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. (Genesis 9:4) – i.e. you should not be putting anything from an animal or its blood into your body.

Does this mean you should be a veg?

[Dan & Jenni 457]

the way i see it is you abide by and live by the laws and customs of the country you are going to live in... simple as that

[Samantha78 117]

Absolutely love this entire thread. Amen to those making sense about having the vaccine, protecting our country and the realistic way to approach this situation.