Girl Forced to Apologize to Boy Who Raped Her

[slim 1,525]

A 12 year old boy who rapes a mentally challenged girl has serious issues and also needs help. I agree with you there.

Which is something that nobody's really considered. What we have all throughout this thread (minus the race stuff, of course) is another female "victim" of a sex crime when in fact, both of these kids are victims.

A 12-year-old boy that would rape a special girl at school was most likely molested or beaten or something. No doubt he's been victimized a time or two yet not a single ounce of compassion for him because he's the "aggressor."

I simply wish folks would consider all sides of a story before getting all emotional.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

Which is something that nobody's really considered. What we have all throughout this thread (minus the race stuff, of course) is another female "victim" of a sex crime when in fact, both of these kids are victims.

A 12-year-old boy that would rape a special girl at school was most likely molested or beaten or something. No doubt he's been victimized a time or two yet not a single ounce of compassion for him because he's the "aggressor."

I simply wish folks would consider all sides of a story before getting all emotional.

I like this warm sensitive Slim. :thumbs: The problem is that story doesn't tell us enough about the age difference but they had to have been within a few years of each other.

[Golden Gate 530]

Yet nobody's pointing fingers at the school.

Still more "girl done wrong by boy" posts.

But I believe that is the issue within the article. That they are suing the school district.

[Golden Gate 530]

But I believe that is the issue within the article. That they are suing the school district.

I think what got people's ire was that initially the girl was made to apologize to the boy. That is why there wasn't much sympathy for his side.

[Zero Sum 305]

I like this warm sensitive Slim. :thumbs: The problem is that story doesn't tell us enough about the age difference but they had to have been within a few years of each other.

But we can always speculate without any regard to true context, if it ever becomes available. In the meantime a responsible, rational adult would simply treat the facts known from the story and be appalled (hopefully) by the act of rape as being what it was.

[nane1104 146]

The fact that the boy is going to the same special-ed school indicates he has his own "issues". That could mean a lot of different things. The fact he raped her twice, to me indicates some criminal energy. Sorry, I am not feeling very much empathy for him.

And yes, it's about the girl having to apologize to him that really bothers me. And what I also find strange is, that if there have been two allegations of rape, did nobody feel any reason to investigate this any further? Hopital, rape kit, DNA tests?

I just don't get it.

[slim 1,525]

I like this warm sensitive Slim. :thumbs: The problem is that story doesn't tell us enough about the age difference but they had to have been within a few years of each other.

This is not warm sensitive Slim. This is slim pointing fingers at the double standard that exists when dealing with sex crimes. (And everything else, for that matter.)

I think what got people's ire was that initially the girl was made to apologize to the boy. That is why there wasn't much sympathy for his side.

Did nobody stop to think about why a middle school boy is a rapist?

But we can always speculate without any regard to true context, if it ever becomes available. In the meantime a responsible, rational adult would simply treat the facts known from the story and be appalled (hopefully) by the act of rape as being what it was.

A responsible, rational adult wouldn't get spoonfed information and make emotional judgements based on such. Especially when the story comes from the news media. Big shocker that you had the reaction they wanted you to have. Baaaah. Baaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh.

A responsible, rational adult will analyze ALL the facts and then- based on context - make a decision. Keep in mind too, an emotional reaction is not the same as a decision anymore than hope is a course of action.

Are we going to get any wool from all you sheeple?

[Zero Sum 305]

Or you can just go by the information that is known (hence, yes, slim... facts), wait for further details (yes, slim, facts), instead of making stuff (that's right, slim, not facts) up thinking you were being all smart about it.

[slim 1,525]

Or you can just go by the information that is known (hence, yes, slim... facts), wait for further details (yes, slim, facts), instead of making stuff (that's right, slim, not facts) up thinking you were being all smart about it.

That article is littered with facts and details that don't need to be made up - they just can't be ignored. What you're doing is choosing to ignore things because they're not specifically stated.

Funny that in our society today we're not only allowed to do that, we're encouraged. We don't want people considering all the facts. All the details. We only want them to take the information that's presented and form the opinion that's been given to them. Do not question anything. Do not form a different opinion. Only what's presented.

Does that sound like a smart thing to do?

[Zero Sum 305]

That article is littered with facts and details that don't need to be made up - they just can't be ignored. What you're doing is choosing to ignore things because they're not specifically stated.

Funny that in our society today we're not only allowed to do that, we're encouraged. We don't want people considering all the facts. All the details. We only want them to take the information that's presented and form the opinion that's been given to them. Do not question anything. Do not form a different opinion. Only what's presented.

Does that sound like a smart thing to do?

No slim, I choose to go by what the article actually says.

You want to add facts to it, become an investigator and bring some actual facts. You're free to speculate if you wish... just don't confuse your speculation with what constitutes fact.

[slim 1,525]

No slim, I choose to go by what the article actually says.

You want to add facts to it, become an investigator and bring some actual facts. You're free to speculate if you wish... just don't confuse your speculation with what constitutes fact.

Here are the facts - straight from the article.

A special ed girl in a Missouri middle school reported that she was raped a couple of years ago. She goes to middle school. Most middle schools are 5-8 grade or so and that puts her age somewhere between 9-13 years old. Since she's special it's quite possible she's a little older but developmentally speaking, she's probably in that age range somewhere.

the girl wrote an apology to the boy she accused of raping her and had to personally give it to him, They go to school together. They've had personal contact.

The girl returned to the middle school for the 2009-10 school year and tried to avoid the boy, Further evidence that they go to school together and have personal contact.

She was sexually assaulted again (At least the) second time they've had sexual contact.

[in the school library] This is sometimes why I use "rape" instead of rape. A library is a quiet place. Nobody should get raped in a library.

but didn't tell anyone She did tell someone. (Read below)

The girl was also examined and found to have been sexually assaulted. She didn't just arbitrarily get examined. She told someone. And, she was in fact assaulted. Therefore she was telling the truth about sexual contact between her and the boy. This doesn't prove she was raped. It does prove there was sexual contact.

she was suspended from school for "disrespectful conduct" and "public display of affection," Maybe it wasn't a rape afterall?

a forensic exam after the second rape showed that the girl had indeed been sexually assaulted I'm not sure what kind of exam they did but the only way to indicate there was assault is by injury and even then, that's not proof there was assault, it only proves there was contact. Typically vaginal and ####### tearing, bruising, bleeding, etc., occurs after assaults, but, it could happen during consensual encounters as well.

a DNA match was made to the boy she had accused of raping her It was him. Notice how it said "boy?"

the boy then pleaded guilty to charges in juvenile court Since he was in juvenile court, that means he's under 18. There aren't too many middle schoolers that are 17. I'd be willing to bet he was younger than that. This does not say which charges he pleaded guilty to nor does it say it covered both incidents. What it does prove is his age and the fact that there has been at least one incident of sexual contact between these two.

The rest... is up in the air! But, as you can plainly see, there's a lot more to this story than just, "OUTRAGE!!! How can a little girl get raped like that?"

Edited August 19, 2011 by slim

[Golden Gate 530]

The outrage was about how the school handled the whole matter.

Oh, and you bet, I would be outraged if some boy screwed my 12 year old daughter. I don't care if he was 10 or what. At least, I make sure my daughter understands fully about what can happen when you are alone with a boy. And, yes, I wouldn't trust any boy at the age of puberty to be alone with my daughter. It doesn't matter if he has issues or what. They both have hormones. However, this girl has already been psychologically evaluated, and it seems that she has issues which could put her in a vulnerable situation. The boy, well, we don't know anything about him based on the story. Therefore, we can only speculate.

I imagine that now he will undergo some type of evaluation. I am sure all of this would have turned out differently if the district had taken seriously the first incident, which they did not, and both students could have received counseling.

I think it is only fair to want to protect the girl in such a situation, by the fact that she will suffer the greater consequences if she becomes pregnant. When you have a daughter, you will understand this.

[Darnell 8,478]

Your questions in these circumstances are completely asinine. Her age, and how it compares to the kids around her at school are completely irrelevant. And no, there was no "sex in middle school". There was rape in middle school.

Goodness !

I hope you weren't thinking that the content of what I posted,

somehow negated the act.

That wasn't my point, at all.

If she was streamlined in the general school populace, and if she was older, it's a different experience FOR HER than if she was secluded in a class of her 'special needs' peers, solely. If the news included the fact that the boy who raped her was also a special needs student, then is other problems.

I'm not discounting the fact that rape is rape, not even attempting to condone the act.

What I smell as a problem, though - is in the streamlining of special needs children into the general populace of the school, it exposes special needs kids to problems they would not encounter often, if they were NOT streamlined.

It was more of a concept of 'what's the environment, there, really?' in some pattern that it was HER ENVIRONMENT that brought the two together. Sure - HE decided to rape her, but if SHE had never been in HIS environment at the school? She wouldn't have been such an easy target for that little sh|t.

Hope I was clear - and thanks for labelling my words as asinine, instead of ME.

IMO, any teachers who have contact with the two of them should be put on the chopping block, as well.

[Zero Sum 305]

Highlight the appropriate text, slim.

Here are the facts - straight from the article.

A special ed girl in a Missouri middle school reported that she was raped a couple of years ago. She goes to middle school. Most middle schools are 5-8 grade or so and that puts her age somewhere between 9-13 years old. Since she's special it's quite possible she's a little older but developmentally speaking, she's probably in that age range somewhere.

the girl wrote an apology to the boy she accused of raping her and had to personally give it to him, They go to school together. They've had personal contact.

The girl returned to the middle school for the 2009-10 school year and tried to avoid the boy, Further evidence that they go to school together and have personal contact.

She was sexually assaulted again (At least the) second time they've had sexual contact.

[in the school library] This is sometimes why I use "rape" instead of rape. A library is a quiet place. Nobody should get raped in a library. But they could, slim.

but didn't tell anyone She did tell someone. (Read below)

The girl was also examined and found to have been sexually assaulted. She didn't just arbitrarily get examined (exactly, slim, she was examined, and unwarranted sexual contact usually is accompanied by a pathology of tissue damage- hence the conclusion she was assualted). She told someone. And, she was in fact assaulted. Therefore she was telling the truth about sexual contact between her and the boy (sexual assualt). This doesn't prove she was raped. It does prove there was sexual contact. (in your conclusion, discounting the examination, of course).

she was suspended from school for "disrespectful conduct" and "public display of affection," Maybe it wasn't a rape afterall? Or maybe she was traumatized? Didn't consider that did you?

a forensic exam after the second rape showed that the girl had indeed been sexually assaulted I'm not sure what kind of exam they did but the only way to indicate there was assault is by injury and even then, that's not proof there was assault, (implying rough sex as an alternative? doubtfully...) it only proves there was contact. Typically vaginal and ####### tearing, bruising, bleeding, etc., occurs after assaults, but, it could happen during consensual encounters as well. In which you'd have to consider the range of behaviors by the girl. And she may well have displayed them, but you are not privy to that info other than her emotional problems leading to disciplinary issues. Think about it.

a DNA match was made to the boy she had accused of raping her It was him. Notice how it said "boy?"

the boy then pleaded guilty to charges in juvenile court Since he was in juvenile court, that means he's under 18. There aren't too many middle schoolers that are 17. I'd be willing to bet he was younger than that. This does not say which charges he pleaded guilty to nor does it say it covered both incidents. What it does prove is his age and the fact that there has been at least one incident of sexual contact between these two.

The rest... is up in the air! But, as you can plainly see, there's a lot more to this story than just, "OUTRAGE!!! How can a little girl get raped like that?"

You can always call up the local media to ask for additional information in that case. Just saying.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

Here are the facts - straight from the article. OK

A special ed girl in a Missouri middle school reported that she was raped a couple of years ago. She goes to middle school. Most middle schools are 5-8 grade or so and that puts her age somewhere between 9-13 years old. Since she's special it's quite possible she's a little older but developmentally speaking, she's probably in that age range somewhere.

the girl wrote an apology to the boy she accused of raping her and had to personally give it to him, They go to school together. They've had personal contact. SO WHAT???

The girl returned to the middle school for the 2009-10 school year and tried to avoid the boy, Further evidence that they go to school together and have personal contact. AND THIS MEANS WHAT, THAT IT WAS CONSENSUAL?

She was sexually assaulted again (At least the) second time they've had sexual contact. SEXUAL ASSAULT IS NOT THE SAME AS SEXUAL CONTACT. ONE IS ASSAULT TO GET SEX, PERIOD. LET'S USE RAPE THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO EQUIVOCATE.

[in the school library] This is sometimes why I use "rape" instead of rape. A library is a quiet place. Nobody should get raped in a library. NOBODY SHOULD GET RAPED, PERIOD.

but didn't tell anyone She did tell someone. (Read below) SO NOW SHE'S A LIAR?

The girl was also examined and found to have been sexually assaulted. She didn't just arbitrarily get examined. She told someone. And, she was in fact assaulted. Therefore she was telling the truth about sexual contact between her and the boy. This doesn't prove she was raped. It does prove there was sexual contact. HOW OLD WAS SHE? SHE ALSO HAD DIMINISHED MENTAL CAPACITY? IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT SHE WASN'T RAPED? I AM SURE THAT SHE CONSENTED TO IT.

she was suspended from school for "disrespectful conduct" and "public display of affection," Maybe it wasn't a rape afterall? MAYBE SHE WAS ACTING UP BECAUSE OF THE TRAUMA OF RAPE?

a forensic exam after the second rape showed that the girl had indeed been sexually assaulted I'm not sure what kind of exam they did but the only way to indicate there was assault is by injury and even then, that's not proof there was assault, it only proves there was contact. Typically vaginal and ####### tearing, bruising, bleeding, etc., occurs after assaults, but, it could happen during consensual encounters as well. HIGHLY UNLIKELY AND A RATHER UNIQUE TAKE ON IT? BUT SINCE SHE COULDN'T HAVE GIVEN CONSENT...

a DNA match was made to the boy she had accused of raping her It was him. Notice how it said "boy?" SO HE WAS UNDERAGE, WAS HE ALSO OF DIMINISHED MENTAL CAPACITY?

the boy then pleaded guilty to charges in juvenile court Since he was in juvenile court, that means he's under 18. There aren't too many middle schoolers that are 17. I'd be willing to bet he was younger than that. This does not say which charges he pleaded guilty to nor does it say it covered both incidents. What it does prove is his age and the fact that there has been at least one incident of sexual contact between these two. CORRECTION IT WAS UNWANTED SEXUAL CONTACT??? LET'S NOT SUGAR COAT IT, THERE WAS PENETRATION. HE DIDN'T RUB UP AGAINST HER, HE RAPED HER BY STICKING HIS P**** IN HER V*****.

The rest... is up in the air! But, as you can plainly see, there's a lot more to this story than just, "OUTRAGE!!! How can a little girl get raped like that?" LIKE PUTTING THE VICTIM ON TRIAL.

Highlight the appropriate text, slim.

You can always call up the local media to ask for additional information in that case. Just saying.

Sorry, I didn't see your post, my bad.

Edited August 20, 2011 by IR5FORMUMSIE