Nut Allergies and Children: How Others React Is Causing a Call for Increased Regulation.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

and YOU are the problem with society today by the fact that you'd rather force people to conform than look at the facts regarding airborne peanut allergies.

A PBJ sandwich. Hell several PBJ sandwiches in a room with a person who has a peanut allergy, is NOT going to cause a reaction.

Now, in a room with people opening bags of actual peanuts and shells being cracked into the air? That might be a different story. However the odds of having an severe reaction are very small, and it's more likely to be like any other allergy reaction anyone might have who's allergic to cat hair, dog hair, etc...

I really don't see how you can make these claims with absolute certainty. Presumably you're an expert on allergies and immunological disorders on top of being a climatologist, geologist, medical doctor and nuclear physicist. Oh and a philosopher too.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

What I am or not am is luckily not up to you and as far as your assessment about what can and cannot cause a severe reaction, Dr. Paul, is simply wrong.

you can keep 'saying' i'm wrong all you want, but case studies say otherwise.

Actually, they've done exact case studies on peanut butter being in the same room with children who have peanut allergies and the conclusion was that there was no reaction in that circumstance. Look up the study from Sicherer et al.

Again, proof is in the pudding that all of this is 'agenda' based rather than fact based.

[The_Dude 1,142]

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[The_Dude 1,142]

you can keep 'saying' i'm wrong all you want, but case studies say otherwise.

Actually, they've done exact case studies on peanut butter being in the same room with children who have peanut allergies and the conclusion was that there was no reaction in that circumstance. Look up the study from Sicherer et al.

Again, proof is in the pudding that all of this is 'agenda' based rather than fact based.

I think you seem to be missing the point that many have tried to make. Do you have kids? Have you ever been around kids (outside your own childhood)? Have you ever taught? It's easy to keep a controlled environment for the purposes of a study, but try that in a school lunchroom. You completely discount that this is something that could potentially kill a child. You say that you do have empathy and compassion, but clearly you don't.

[Zero Sum 305]

Don't you wish the innocence and good will of childhood would persist instead of the selfishness that we see here? And here we see people talking about parental responsibilities... I'd bet money on some predictable observations in failing parental involvement with the more verbally selfish posters here.

and how. fwiw, i discussed this very issue with my 10 year old, peanut butter loving, elementary school attending son. at his private school, there is a child with peanut allergies, though the severity of this child's allergies are not bad enough to require a full on peanut ban, there is some separation in the lunch room, where kids who brought peanut products eat at a "nut table". when i asked him if there were a child there though whose allergy was severe enough that he couldn't inhale any peanut particles or residual peanut would cause a severe reaction so it would be necessary to not bring any peanut stuff to school, he said that wouldn't be a problem with him, he could just enjoy peanut stuff somewhere else. when i asked him what he thought about people saying eating peanuts was more important than keeping that kid from getting hurt or killed, he said those people sounded like jerks.

you do realize the idea that a child is going to die/have a severe reaction from 'air exposure and/or physical contact' is a hyperbole for the most part, right? If anything the reaction would be an irritation/very minor.

Without direct ingestion of the product, it's extremely rare to have someone who is exposed to the product have a major episode from it.

So says Paul, the allergen expert.

So speaketh Paul the medical doctor. It's "rare" so it's not a problem. Beautiful.

A lot more common and easier to provoke. Must be a lie that the expert in all must disprove.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

you can keep 'saying' i'm wrong all you want, but case studies say otherwise.

Actually, they've done exact case studies on peanut butter being in the same room with children who have peanut allergies and the conclusion was that there was no reaction in that circumstance. Look up the study from Sicherer et al.

Again, proof is in the pudding that all of this is 'agenda' based rather than fact based.

Proof would be backing up your absolutist statements, rather than making airy fairy references to "case studies"

And how exactly do case studies prove anything? Perhaps you mean clinical research? Who knows, because either way you don't present it.

[Zero Sum 305]

This requires a bump.

i've met kids for who that is not hyperbolic at all. and i refill prescriptions all the time for epi-pens, for kids whose allergies are severe enough that they and the adults around them have to be trained to jab a huge needle into their leg if they passively come into contact with all kinds of allergens, and that contact can be completely inadvertent on their part. while not as common as "i have to eat this peanut to get a reaction" types of allergies, they nevertheless do exist, and can kill people. not just puking, not feeling crummy for a few days-they can die.

empathy is a dying art, but some people do still have it. i'm glad he's one of them.

[Zero Sum 305]

Oh... More expertise in action.

and YOU are the problem with society today by the fact that you'd rather force people to conform than look at the facts regarding airborne peanut allergies.

A PBJ sandwich. Hell several PBJ sandwiches in a room with a person who has a peanut allergy, is NOT going to cause a reaction.

Now, in a room with people opening bags of actual peanuts and shells being cracked into the air? That might be a different story. However the odds of having an severe reaction are very small, and it's more likely to be like any other allergy reaction anyone might have who's allergic to cat hair, dog hair, etc...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

This requires a bump.

Yeah, I'm inclined to believe the pharmacist for some reason

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I know a kid who has seizures (docs say he could die) from inadvertent contact with peanuts. Mom carries around one of those pen things all the time.

Evolutionarily, would we be better off as a species if we let these kids die?

Evolution is a big fat lie so that question is bullchit.

[Zero Sum 305]

If you were empathic, you would not have gone off into yet another one of your angry rants complaining and informing yourself with false truths about the problem.

You would have said what slim said about being asked to limit bringing in the allergens, but instead you chose to whine about politics as usual.

That's where you're wrong. I have plenty of empathy and compassion for people. HOWEVER, I lose that empathy and compassion when someone wants to shove a regulation or piece of legislation down my throat that forces me to be empathetic/compassionate towards something.

Empathy and compassion come from the heart. Not some bullshit piece of paper that demands it.

The problem with the left-wing whackjobs out there is that they don't believe that there's good in people, so they feel that people have to be forced into something. They'd rather have a society like that of North Korea that's obedient and does what they are told, rather than pure individualism where people can decide for themselves. There's plenty of hyprocrisy though in this (on the left and right mind you) about how it is good for everyone else, but not for them.

It's old. It's tiresome. It's plain absurd that the 'need' to control everything is there. That need derives from the idea that they're going to get hurt otherwise. It's hogwash.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I know a kid who has seizures (docs say he could die) from inadvertent contact with peanuts. Mom carries around one of those pen things all the time.

Evolutionarily, would we be better off as a species if we let these kids die?

Evolution is a big fat lie so that question is bullchit.

Better for who?

[Zero Sum 305]

you can keep 'saying' i'm wrong all you want, but case studies say otherwise.

Actually, they've done exact case studies on peanut butter being in the same room with children who have peanut allergies and the conclusion was that there was no reaction in that circumstance. Look up the study from Sicherer et al.

Again, proof is in the pudding that all of this is 'agenda' based rather than fact based.

Feel free to walk us through the study. N number? Allergy type? Etc? I know you won't, as with all other buffoonery you clip yourself over.

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Better for who?

You?

[Zero Sum 305]

I know a kid who has seizures (docs say he could die) from inadvertent contact with peanuts. Mom carries around one of those pen things all the time.

Evolutionarily, would we be better off as a species if we let these kids die?

Evolution is a big fat lie so that question is bullchit.

Allergies have their genetic part, yes. And also their environmental part, meaning we can't die the condition out.